Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by Norton

Deployable flight recorders which are ejected making them easier to find. These already exist in many military aircraft.

What happens when the flight recorder is ejected and the plane subsequently changes course and is used for some nefarious purpose?
Just askin like.

Originally Posted by peterpan

We are all tempted by the "cheapest fare", air lines need money to be viable. temptation to cut corners, with expensive results.

I'm not tempted by the absurdly low "Ryan Air" type fares at all. If an airline advertises £ 25 from London to Paris I avoid it for fear of how they are saving money. Cabin crew unable to eat? Pilots on welfare? Poor maintenance?

Originally Posted by chassamui

What happens when the flight recorder is ejected

Can't be ejected by pilot. My understanding is ejected automatically triggered by a flight-monitoring computer. No expert. Just listening to the techies on TV.

The Malaysian PM can't just decree that the plane came down in the Indian Ocean, can he? #keep praying for MH370. Not all hope is lost.

^While I don't agree with Rainfall that there is still hope, I also question the PM's declaration that the plane crashed into the Indian Ocean. Thus, game over, and they can get back to business.

I think it "likely" that the plane ended up there, but on what is the PM basing his "absolute certainty' declaration?

Agree. Absolute certainty can only be had when debris is found and identified.

There's nothing in any of Malaysian airlines' or the Malay PM's or any other Malay senior officials' statements that add up to make logical sense about what happened to MH370.

Malaysia's not coming up with anything factual about the plane unless prompted by other nations.

There's something dodgy going on,...unless the whole planeload lost consciousness and did in fact take a controlled (autopilot) trip over the ocean then spashdown.

The extent of the large arcs given by satellite as possible locations for the plane's end of flight are so vast that pinpointing or defining a crash point in the Southern Indian Ocean seems to be based on guesswork or skewed politics rather than science, just going by the drum banging and posturing engaged in by everyone from China to Malaysia and Oz, the three biggest noises on the stage at present.

Abbot and China seem in a neck and neck race for photo-ops and drama prizes in the game of hide and seek, so far.

Odd that US and UK aren't making any claims yet, innit?

Originally Posted by Norton

Absolute certainty can only be had when debris is found and identified.

Don't start all the wackjobs off again. There will be more information in todays press conference as to why they're pretty certain it's in the South Indian Ocean

At a time when others are floundering one can always trust the British to come to the rescue.

I'm not buying the story, planes not in the southern ocean, good place to say it is if you never want it found.
Malaysia has been giving out BS from day one, the truth is being covered for some reason.
Just say it was aliens or something as weird, how would you cover it up.

At a time when others are floundering one can always trust the British to come to the rescue.

Exactly. No noise, no fuss, no hi fives. No press conferences with a thousand microphones on the table, and no agenda to spin.

Just the correct conclusion quietly disclosed after real experts have processed the information.

True professionals.

Has it ever been any different.

Indian Ocean scotches a pilot suicide.

Too many inconsistencies with know facts, such as two stolen passports on board with ME looking gentlemen owning sequential tickets, and an obvious attempt to conceal the location/path of the plane.

If it's in the Indian Ocean, I would put my dinner money on a botched hijack.

Originally Posted by leemo

Indian Ocean scotches a pilot suicide.

Too many inconsistencies with know facts, such as two stolen passports on board with ME looking gentlemen owning sequential tickets, and an obvious attempt to conceal the location/path of the plane.

If it's in the Indian Ocean, I would put my dinner money on a botched hijack.

Why does the pilot wanting to hide the fact seem so hard to believe?

Here's the latest update I've received from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology. The good news is that a nearby cyclone is not expected to impact on the search operations:

The Bureau of Meteorology continues to provide regular weather forecasts to support Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s search operation for the missing Malaysian Airlines aircraft, approximately 2500 kilometres southwest of Perth.

A cold front is forecast to move through the search area from the west today, bringing strong winds, heavy rainfall, low cloud and poor visibility. After the cold front has moved through later this afternoon, weather conditions will improve, but showers are likely to continue overnight and into tomorrow.

Tropical Cyclone Gillian is forecast to weaken to a tropical low, well north of the search area, and will not have an impact on operations. See Current Tropical Cyclones for the latest advice.

MH370: search for debris suspended as families attack government - live | World news | theguardian.com

Here's the full press release from the Australian defence minister David Johnston on the search mission. In the briefing he announced that the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield would be joining the search mission and was now travelling from Sydney:

Minister for Defence David Johnston visited the centre of air operations supporting the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) led search for missing flight MH370 at RAAF Base Pearce today.

In supporting the AMSA search operations in the southern Indian Ocean, Pearce is now home to four Air Force AP-3C Orions, one Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion and two Japanese Self Defense Force P-3 Orions.

A United States Navy P8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft and two Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft from the People’s Liberation Army Air Force are supporting the search from Perth airport.

Senator Johnston said the search for any signs of the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 has been suspended for today due to poor weather conditions in the search area. Low cloud and poor visibility will prevent an air search today and HMAS Success departed the search area early this morning.

Senator Johnston said he was deeply grateful for the efforts of the multi-national pilots, aircrew and maintenance personnel in supporting AMSA’s search operations almost 2,500 km away.

“It has been a privilege for me to meet with these highly skilled professionals from many nations and to gain a first hand appreciation of the difficult task they are undertaking,” Senator Johnston said.

“The challenge of flying to such a remote region and conducting search operations cannot be over-stated. With eight hours of flying to and from the search region, the fleet of P-3 Orion aircraft and other military aircraft have only a precious few hours to scour the search tracks they have been given by AMSA.

“With search operations in the southern Indian Ocean entering their second week, the pilots and air-crew are under incredible pressure to find evidence of the missing aircraft.

“The strong international team here is doing all they can to provide answers for the families of the people on board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. For this reason, the pilots and aircrew of all nations here at RAAF Base Pearce and flying from Perth Airport are focused on thoroughly searching their designated areas.”

More than half-a-million square kilometers have been searched to date. HMAS Success entered the search area on Saturday and has been conducting surface sweeps of specific areas. Chinese warships and the polar supply ship Xue Long are also enroute to the search area. Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield has also sailed from Sydney enroute to Western Australia so that she will be available to join the search if required.

“We also look forward to the arrival of a C-130H Hercules and P-3C Orion from the Republic of Korea later today as this multi-national team grows,” Senator Johnston said.

Same link as Post #1359.

Originally Posted by ENT

There's nothing in any of Malaysian airlines' or the Malay PM's or any other Malay senior officials' statements that add up to make logical sense about what happened to MH370.

Malaysia's not coming up with anything factual about the plane unless prompted by other nations.

There's something dodgy going on,...unless the whole planeload lost consciousness and did in fact take a controlled (autopilot) trip over the ocean then spashdown.

If your scenario is the pilot killing the passengers and himself and setting the plane on a course to the south it makes perfect sense.

MAL, after a brief shock period, have released factual information when they have verified it as opposed to the rampant speculations of the media.

The sat data has been used in a way never intended and it has taken time for the boffins to make their calculations and have them confirmed. This is why it started as "contact" then an "arc" and now a "location", as far as they can narrow it down to.

If you throw away all the garbage spouted by "unnamed officials" and "industry sources" it all makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by leemo

Indian Ocean scotches a pilot suicide.

On the contrary, it fits very well. If a pilot was acting irrationally as a result of some emotional breakdown; he could very well fly the AC to a point where the autopilot could be engaged after setting a course south to the southern ocean. The plane could then fly until the fuel ran out. The pilot could top himself in the sure knowledge that he was setting everybody up for the biggest mystery in the history of modern travel. People do some pretty strange things if they become unhinged.

Originally Posted by koman

People do some pretty strange things if they become unhinged.

Ain't that the truth.

does that Inmarsat SAT actually identify the plane?
or is it just a (any odd) plane?

(no, I'm not suggesting the plane didn't crash off Perth,
was just wondering)

Malaysia Airlines plane: MH370 relatives protest in Beijing


Relatives of some of those on board missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have marched to the Malaysian embassy in Beijing to demand answers about what happened to the plane.

The aircraft was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it vanished more than two weeks ago.

On Monday the Malaysian PM Najib Razak said satellite data showed the plane ended its journey in remote seas west of Australia.



BBC News - Malaysia Airlines plane: MH370 relatives protest in Beijing

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by koman

People do some pretty strange things if they become unhinged.

Ain't that the truth.

Yes such a statement is attributable to anybody irrespective of their profession or status in society.

Originally Posted by melvin

does that Inmarsat SAT actually identify the plane?
or is it just a (any odd) plane?

(no, I'm not suggesting the plane didn't crash off Perth,
was just wondering)

That plane. There was ID-data involved. The tricky part is that the data did not include a position. They had to calculate the position and direction from properties of the radio signals not intended for the purpose. Like doppler shift, very tricky and not very precise.

Find one thing rather strange, if as we have been told, transponders and ACARS were switched off, why's the ACARS still signaling the satillite.

Originally Posted by pickel

New Imarsat data says last contact with plane was definitely in the Southern Indian Ocean.

dispute definately , agree with high probability .