Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

What crap? I posted a news article.

What some bloke says he heard another bloke say down at the pub is not a news article.

pickel, as far as ENT is concerned, no-one lies on the internet if they sound looney enough.

Don't throw stones Harry. didn't you post, that OZ, OTH radar was looking for illegals in the north. Bet you got that off the net and believed.
Jim

Did that sound looney to you Jim? The fact that no-one may have been using Jindalee to watch an aircraft sail into the middle of the Indian Ocean?

Which, let's face it, would probably have raised a flag or two.

Or are you another one that has to fill a vacuum with answers even if they are ridiculous?

By the way, you still have yet to give me the latest version of the "Malay Story", this is the fourth time of asking now.

Harry, looney yes, reporter believes, that means made up.
The radars capabilities have been posted on the thread, many a time, think there's a link on the same page.

As posted, can't give Malaysia's latest version of events, they haven't got one.
Happy to be proved wrong, maybe you can post a link, Malaysian Gov.
Not huffington post or someone close to the investigation, or reporter who believes.

I've looked, but can't find an official Malaysian Gov sight with updated facts.
Maybe you can. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Harry, looney yes, reporter believes, that means made up.
The radars capabilities have been posted on the thread, many a time, think there's a link on the same page.

As posted, can't give Malaysia's latest version of events, they haven't got one.
Happy to be proved wrong, maybe you can post a link, Malaysian Gov.
Not huffington post or someone close to the investigation, or reporter who believes.

I've looked, but can't find an official Malaysian Gov sight with updated facts.
Maybe you can. Jim

You keep quoting all these facts without providing any link.

So how is one to believe them?

Worth a read although ENT will probably disagree;

Whatever the ultimate outcome of the investigation into the bizarre disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 with its 239 passengers and crew, the autopsy into the mystery will go down as a landmark period in the history of aviation safety.

No one thought a big Boeing B777 jet could vanish into thin air in this day of highly computerised flight decks, advanced satellite communications and 21st century tracking systems. The fact that it did has raised an endless array of questions that will have to be answered.

While the aircraft has not yet been located and with the probability it is now lying deep on the floor of the Indian Ocean, there has been no let-up in the flow of speculation and theories on what occurred as the flight made its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Pilot suicide, Hijacking, a mid-air catastrophic break-up of the plane at 35,000 ft. All of those have happened before.

A political fanatic

What now seems certain, however, is that MH 370 did turn away from its course, fly back over peninsular Malaysia and head west or northwest, flying for up to seven hours before contact was finally lost. What also appears to be confirmed is that none of this happened by accident. Human hands, and ones familiar with the operation of the aircraft, were involved. Whether this was the pilot or pilots, or the crew operating under duress, remains to be seen.

But there is mounting evidence that the flight Captain, a man with years of experience, was a political fanatic, a supporter of Malaysian Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim. He had become increasingly angry about the Malaysian government's treatment of Ibrahim, including his jailing on what many believed were "trumped up" charges.

The reasons for his anger are unimportant. That he might take 238 souls with him if suicide was indeed the aim is difficult to comprehend. The question is: Why was this not discovered until nearly a week after the disappearance? Why had no-one rung alarm bells earlier and what regular psychological screening does Malaysia Airlines conduct on flight crew who hold in their hands the lives of thousands of people annually?

Why had no-one rung alarm bells earlier and what regular psychological screening does Malaysia Airlines conduct on flight crew who hold in their hands the lives of thousands of people annually?



If indeed the pilot was involved, and this still remains a matter of speculation, another issue is raised. The aircraft transponder, which identifies it to air traffic control and provides such information as altitude and location, was turned off.

So were the flights two normal communications systems, apparently 14 minutes apart. All of this essentially made the plane invisible, except to primary radar which would see it merely as a "blip" on the screen without any identification.

The insistence of pilots in having final manual command of aircraft systems is well known. They don't want to be told "don't touch". But should they have the ability to turn off a vital location and information device such as a transponder? Should they have the ability to turn off communication systems?

Unidentified aircraft approaching

This aspect of the flight raises other questions. Even without its transponder the plane was clearly seen, though not identified, by Malaysian military radar. Yet nothing was done about it. No aircraft was scrambled to see what this mystery object was. In its long hours of flight to the west of Malaysia, was it seen by other military radar, such as India's, or if it flew north-west, by Thailand or even China. It is difficult to believe any of these countries, seeing an unidentified aircraft approaching or entering their airspace, would not have done something to find out what it was.

Another issue which will have to be reviewed by the industry is how data from the aircraft was transmitted to the ground during its flight. Details of engine performance are transmitted at regular intervals from modern aircraft to the engine manufacturer so they can keep track of what is happening and thus inform the airline if they had any issues to deal with.

With today’s satellite networks, data on all aspects of the aircrafts systems could similarly be transmitted. With thousands of aircraft flying daily, this obviously involves a huge amount of data but the industry and regulators will have to look into how it can be done in a manageable way so that aircraft can't simply vanish into thin air.

In the same way the current "black box" and cockpit voice recorder systems are outdated. Why should investigators spend millions of dollars recovering these items, particularly if they ended up under hundreds of metres of seawater. In today’s world it is feasible for the information they collect to be transmitted in real time to ground stations.

If chatter in the cockpit was being beamed to earth and collected in real time, we might now have a better idea of what happened on the flight deck of MH 370.

When the mud clears and the Malaysia Airlines aircraft is finally found - and most experts believe that is a matter of when, not if - from what will certainly go down as one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history, there will undoubtedly be a number of official inquiries, both within Malaysia and the airline industry, looking into not only the how but the why of what happened.

The blame game has yet to begin but hopefully the outcome will lead to an incredibly safe mode of transport becoming even safer. In the meantime, the long search of the remains of MH370, if that is indeed what the hunters are looking for, goes on.

With the aircraft's last position being some 2,200 nautical miles from its last known position and much of the search area being little more than guesswork, finding the plane remains the number one priority. The inquisition will begin later.


Malaysia Airlines: Blame game has yet to begin - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Bloody hell.

"...It has emerged one of the cabin crew on MH17 was not meant to be on board but had swapped with a colleague at the last minute.

In a tragic twist of fate Malaysia Airlines flight steward Sanjid Singh ended up being among the 298 people killed when the plane was struck by a surface-to-air missile.

Extraordinarily Sanjid's wife, who also worked as a stewardess, swapped out of flight MH370 which disappeared while travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing."

That's a bit Twilight Zone.

And some bloke was due to fly on both and changed both times. There will be a few superstitious folk following his twitter feed.


MH17: Dutch cyclist Maarten de Jonge was due to fly on both MH370 and MH17 | Latest News | Latest Breaking News | Daily Star. Simply The Best 7 Days A Week

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Bloody hell.

"...It has emerged one of the cabin crew on MH17 was not meant to be on board but had swapped with a colleague at the last minute.

In a tragic twist of fate Malaysia Airlines flight steward Sanjid Singh ended up being among the 298 people killed when the plane was struck by a surface-to-air missile.

Extraordinarily Sanjid's wife, who also worked as a stewardess, swapped out of flight MH370 which disappeared while travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing."

That's a bit Twilight Zone.

And some bloke was due to fly on both and changed both times. There will be a few superstitious folk following his twitter feed.


MH17: Dutch cyclist Maarten de Jonge was due to fly on both MH370 and MH17 | Latest News | Latest Breaking News | Daily Star. Simply The Best 7 Days A Week

people change flights all the time, Meh....

Worse is the Aussie family that lost someone on both planes...

Good documentary for those who have time;

The Mystery of MH370 - Channel NewsAsia

Confirms much of what has been said already except the trollop posted by a certain member.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Good documentary for those who have time;

The Mystery of MH370 - Channel NewsAsia

Confirms much of what has been said already except the trollop posted by a certain member.

I take it that English is not your first language.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Worth a read although ENT will probably disagree;



Malaysia Airlines: Blame game has yet to begin - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

Why would I?

Originally Posted by koman

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ENT...I stated about 2000 posts back that I thought the AC captain might well have "hijacked" the plane.

He had problems in his family life and was said to be distraught over some political nonsense going on in Malaysia. He was an experienced pilot and had spend a lot of time on his own flight simulator practicing all kinds of things, which in itself is probably not that unusual, but does raise some questions when you consider the overall timing and circumstances.

He was most likely quite capable of disabling the communications systems and basically blacking out the AC.

Because of his experience and local knowledge he was also likely quite capable of flying it back across Malaysia without creating excitement in the radar stations, and eventually taking it to where he could place it on a southerly heading; on autopilot, to wherever it eventually ran out of fuel. Nobody can know what goes on in the mind of a man in personal crisis....so we could only speculate about what may have motivated such actions. Despair, revenge against a cruel world....anybody's guess.

Conjecture certainly, but entirely plausible and it fits a lot better than fanciful tales of AWACS, CIA black ops, and kidnapped scientists etc. I know how unromantic and unexciting the suicidal pilot theory is compared to the blockbuster movie version of events some would like to believe....but I'm sure one day Hollywood will come up with a suitable movie to satisfy all these cravings.

A reasonable reply.

As for the black ops/false flag scenarios speculations, black op is obviously a top candidate as the plane's movements were too complex to be a suicide scenario.

MH370's captain had most definitely reached the end of a chapter in his life, but I doubt very much that he was contemplating his imminent demise on 8th March 2014, far from it, he was too cool, calm and calculative in his handling of events, which were themselves far more complex than necessary for a suicide.

The only benefit from suicide in such a manner would be in 'disappearing' the plane completely, along with all evidence of a suicide, just for his beneficiaries to his estate might receive his life insurance money.

That scenario is far too stupid to indulge in also, as his estate was presumably already in the hands of his next of kin anyway, as he'd already separated from his wife and family and his then current girl-friend.

The mystery woman who called him by cell phone just prior to the flight probably has all the answers regarding his future plans at the time, or at least some of the answers.

His political leanings are no secret, but a jihadist? I doubt it, especially not a politically driven suicidal one.


His ability to pilot the plane to and land wherever he wished is pretty much indisputable, he'd practiced landing by simulator on some small island runways, but no reports of him practicing take-offs from them.

He was well prepared for that flight and its disappearance, in co-operation with whom is the mystery.

I doubt that he was operating alone.

Originally Posted by Ronin

No one thought a big Boeing B777 jet could vanish into thin air

Depends on how thin the air is, innit?...

Originally Posted by ENT

As for the black ops/false flag scenarios speculations, black op is obviously a top candidate as the plane's movements were too complex to be a suicide scenario.

Why do you spout this shit?

Are you a pilot now?

Are you suicidal?

Originally Posted by ENT

Are you suicidal?

No. Perhaps you should be more worried about such things, being mentally unstable and all.

Seems as if the "search" is not a search, but a bathymetric survey.

SYDNEY: Two ships surveying the sea floor where Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 is thought to have crashed are making steady progress with a deep-water search to get underway in September, Australian authorities said on Thursday (31 July).
Since May experts have been surveying an area of about 60,000 square kilometres along the seventh arc -- a thin but long line that includes all possible points where the last known communication between the aircraft and a satellite could have taken place.
It is using two vessels, Chinese survey ship Zhu Kezhen and the Australian-contracted Fugro Equator, to map the ocean floor in the remote region, a process considered crucial to identify possible hazards that could affect the deep-water search.
The Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) said that as of Wednesday the Zhu Kezhen had sounded over 25,000 square kilometres while the Fugro Equator had surveyed more than 43,000 square kilometres. A third vessel, Malaysia's KD Mutiara, will join them in August.

"It is expected that the bathymetric survey work will be completed by September," JACC said in a statement. "The deep-water search is expected to commence in September following the appointment of a prime contractor through a request for tender process."

MH370 survey ships making progress - Channel NewsAsia

Malaysia Airlines MH370: British Firm Tipped to Lead Underwater Search
Mark Piggott By Mark Piggott
August 3, 2014 12:44 BST

The search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 continues(Reuters)
A British company is one of the companies bidding for an Australian government contract to locate the wreckage of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Blue Water Recoveries (BWR), based in Midhurst, West Sussex, has previously worked on the searches for difficult sea wrecks including HMS Hood and DKM Bismarck.

In 2010 BWR company head David Mearns received an honorary Medal of the Order of Australia for helping locate the wreck of two vessels lost during World War II, HMAS Sydney and AHS Centaur.

Mystery still surrounds the whereabouts of Flight MH370 which disappeared on a routine flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing on 8 March with 239 people aboard.

The Australian Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre (JACC) has narrowed the search for the wreckage to an area of 20,000 square miles some 1,100 miles west of Perth, WA.

The cost of the search – around £35m – will be met by the Malaysian and Australian governments. The company, or companies, chosen will have just 300 days to find the wreckage. The search is difficult due to the remoteness of the area and depth of the Indian Ocean, which averages three miles in the area. The sea floor is uneven with gullies and crevices, many of them unmapped.



A map released by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau shows the 7th arc within the Indian Ocean.(ATSB)

However, the depth and coldness of the water and subsequent lack of animal life means any human remains could be well-preserved, raising the prospect they could be recovered like the bodies from Air France Flight 447, which crashed en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris in 2009 with the loss of all 228 on board.

Other companies in the running for the prestigious contract include a firm which helped find the Titanic – Houston-based Oceaneering International – Dutch firm Fugro, and Odyssey Marine Exploration.

Whichever company gets the nod will use information supplied by another British company, Inmarsat, which tracked so-called 'data handshakes' and one of its satellites.

The JACC is currently waiting for two ships to finish mapping the area, which will be completed by next month.

On its website the JACC says: "Before the deep-sea search can commence… it is necessary to map the sea floor in this remote region of the Indian Ocean, which until now has been poorly charted. The aim is to identify significant features on the sea floor, which may present a hazard for the deep water vehicles that will be used for the search."

That ain't the only reason.

The main reason for the bathymetric survey (and it's one of the most extensive such survey ever undertaken) is to chart the ocean floor, for reasons other than finding a plane wreck.

Dutch Firm To Spearhead MH370 Deep-Water Search

KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 6 (Bernama) -- Australia has selected Dutch firm Fugro Survey Pte Ltd to be the prime contractor in managing the deep-water search in the southern Indian Ocean for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 missing since March 8.

Australian Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said Fugro would use two vessels equipped with towed deep-water vehicles and carrying expert personnel to undertake the search operations.

"The vessels will search the sea floor using side scan sonars, multibeam echo sounders and video cameras to locate and identify the debris.

"I remain cautiously optimistic that we'll locate the missing aircraft within the priority search area," he told a press conference in Canberra which was also streamed online Wednesday.

Truss said the Perth-based firm was familiar with the Australian operation in the search for MH370, offering "the best value-for-money technical solution" for the undersea search.

Currently, the firm's vessel, Fugro Equator, is undertaking a bathymetric survey in the new search area, together with the Chinese navy's Zhu Kezhen.

Truss said the survey had covered 60 per cent of the area, or around 32,000 sq km, since it started in April.

The Beijing-bound Malaysian plane with 239 people aboard went missing in the early hours of March 8 shortly after departing from the KL International Airport. It was to have arrived in Beijing at 6.30 am on the same day.

An analysis of satellite data indicated that the plane's last position was in the southern Indian Ocean, west of Perth, Australia.

On May 29, the Joint Agency Coordination Centre set up by Australia discounted the vicinity of several acoustic signals detected in the southern Indian Ocean in early April as the final resting place of MH370.

Following the event, Australia announced on June 26 that the search area for MH370 would be shifted further south to an area of about 60,000 sq km along what is known as the 'seventh arc' in the Indian Ocean.

Meanwhile, Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) chief commissioner Martin Dolan said the bathymetric or mapping of the sea floor survey so far had discovered some anomaly related to the geology of the ocean floor.

"The north area is comparatively flat and deep, and it rises towards the south and the terrain becomes more difficult.

"We haven't completed the mapping...(and) still discovering details, features that we had no knowledge of (previously) - underwater volcanoes and various other things. So, we're finding some surprises as we go through," he said.

Dolan did not rule out the possibility of underwater canyons "hiding" the aircraft.

Malaysia Airlines was hit by another tragedy when Flight MH17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 298 people aboard, including 43 Malaysians, went down over eastern Ukraine on July 17.

International investigators are trying to piece together what really happened to the Boeing 777 plane, the challenging task compounded by the fact that it crashed in a troubled region between Ukraine and Russia.

-- BERNAMA

Malaysia Airlines to be nationalised in bid to rescue company after MH17 and MH370 tragedies put future in jeopardy amid mounting losses

• Malaysian sovereign wealth fund has proposed £1.4bn takeover of airline
  
• Attempt to rescue company reeling from two disasters which cost 537 lives
  
• Move will be the first stage of a 'complete overhaul' of loss-making carrier
• Airline was struggling before tragedies, losing £760m between 2011 and 2013

By Stephanie Linning
Published: 11:38 GMT, 9 August 2014 | Updated: 17:01 GMT, 9 August 2014 77 shares
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Malaysia Airlines is set to be nationalised in a bid to rescue the company still reeling after the MH17 and MH370 tragedies which cost 537 lives.

Malaysian state wealth fund Khazanah National said on Friday that it planned to buy out minority shareholders in the company, in which it already has a 69 per cent stake, in the first stage of a 'complete overhaul' of the loss-making airline.
There have been suggestions that the struggling company, which would be delisted from the Malaysia stock exchange, could also be renamed as part of the £1.4billion takeover.
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Shot down: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 is pictured taking off from Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, hours before it was hit over eastern Ukraine. The struggling carrier is set to be nationalised in takeover bid


Khazanah said the state takeover will represent the first stage of a 'complete overhaul' of the loss-making airline, and that detailed plans will be announced by the end of this month.
The company said that the plan would 'require all parties to work closely together' in order to once again make the national airline a profitable business.

For years the airline has struggled to compete with the growth of regional and international airlines and this year's devastating disasters have only added to its financial woes.


More...

• Tony Abbott to visit Netherlands for update on MH17 crash and identification of victims
• Forensic team identifies a further 21 victims of MH17 tragedy - including one Briton - before returning home after fighting in Ukraine forced them to quit
• Russia will continue to buy Australian WINE despite introducing harsh import bans in backlash to handling of MH17 disaster

Flight 370 disappeared mysteriously in March with 239 people on board after diverging from its planned route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The plane has still not been found, with a search in the southern Indian Ocean underway. The airline was widely criticised for its handling of the crisis.
Last month, 298 people were killed when Flight 17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.





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First tragedy: In March Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 mysteriously disappeared with 239 people on board as it flew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The airline had suffered losses in the years leading up to the two disasters


Before the disasters, the carrier's financial performance was among the worst in the industry, raising questions over its future even before the tragedies.

Some analysts last month said the airline would not survive a year without a substantial cash injection from the Malaysian government.
Crisis and risk management experts suggested the government should bring in new management to the company - possibly from outside Malaysia - as Korean Air and Garuda Indonesia did in response to safety-related crises.
Malaysia Airlines lost 4.1billion ringgit (£760million) from 2011 to 2013, and a further 443million ringgit in the first quarter of this year.
It has struggled against competition from budget carriers on short-haul routes while being required as a state-owned carrier to fly a series of unprofitable domestic routes.
Larger carriers such as Qantas, Sinapore Airlines have been luring away Asian customers, while its Middle Eastern business - an important earner for the company - has been hit by competition from increasingly popular - and profitable - Gulf airlines.

Read more: Malaysia Airlines nationalised in bid to rescue company after MH17 and MH370 tragedies | Mail Online
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Time for a name change....that'll do it.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers’ Bank Accounts Being Accessed Unknowingly, Money Goes Missing- Report
August 14, 2014 11:35 AM EST


Even after five months, missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 remains a mystery. The flight disappeared on March 8, 2014 after losing contact with the radar. In shocking twist of events, the cops have discovered that money from the bank accounts of some passengers traveling in MH370 is missing.

According to New Straits Times, Chief Assistant Commissioner Izany Abdul Ghany of City Commercial Crime Investigation has reported that RM 111, 000 (U.S.$ 347581) have been withdrawn from the accounts of four passengers' of now missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The doubtful bank activity was reported by a manager of the local bank.
The report notes that the withdrawal by the unknown person was made almost four months after the airliner's disappearance on July 18, 2014. It was only during the "internal audit" the bank discovered that money from the accounts of MH370's passengers' account is missing.

Chief Assistant Commissioner Izany Ghany informed the reporters that before filing a complaint with the police, the bank carried out an "internal investigation." The report notes that the investigators are currently examining the activity under Section 4 (1) of the Computer Crimes Act.
The withdrawal of the money from MH370 passengers' bank account has definitely aroused suspicion. But it is hard to say if there lays any major clue to the overall investigation of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines.
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers

Inside job.

KUALA LUMPUR (THE STAR/ASIA NEWS NETWORK): Police have identified possible suspects who made unauthorised withdrawals amounting to RM111,000 (S$43,542.28) from the bank accounts of four victims aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

City police Senior Deputy Commissioner Tajuddin Md Isa said both the police and the bank involved were conducting investigations on the matter.

"We have identified the suspects involved and are gathering more evidence before we take further action," Datuk Tajuddin told reporters at the police headquarters Thursday.

"Do not speculate on this matter and allow us to conduct a thorough investigation," he said.

Meanwhile, City Commercial Crime Investigation Department chief Izany Abdul Ghany explained that the suspects had transferred funds from three passengers' bank accounts into the account of a fourth passenger.

"The suspects then made an internet transfer of RM35,000 to another account, believed to be that of one of the suspects, two weeks prior to July 18 and made ATM withdrawals of RM5,000 daily until the account was empty.

"We are now trying to trace the identity of the suspect who opened that account," he said.

Flight MH370 disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 and is believed to have ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

However, none of the 239 passengers and crew on board nor any remains of the plane have been found.

Police identify possible suspects in withdrawals from MH370 victims' accounts

^Nigerians?

Malaysians are well-known credit card scammers.