Thread: Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

in the past aira planes have been hijacked and forced to fly towards point x only to crash due to reasons y.

This is of course quite true, but it would not account for the AC vanishing off radar suddenly. They can turn off the transponder beacon but the plane would still be showing on radar....?

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

in the past aira planes have been hijacked and forced to fly towards point x only to crash due to reasons y.

This is of course quite true, but it would not account for the AC vanishing off radar suddenly. They can turn off the transponder beacon but the plane would still be showing on radar....?

Sorry, I just realized I'm talking bollocks......if it was hijacked, that would account for the off course bit and the U turn......and possibly the crash as well. Bollocks corrected.....

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Fluke

Another possible explanation for the plane turning around and not making contact with the ground could be that theb two passengers were indeed terrorists who had gotton into the cockpit with the intention of taking ovee the plane and using it as a weapon to attack a target, 9/11 style .
They may have simple not been able to fly the plane and crashed it accidentally into the sea

That would be a possible explanation amongst many......it can't be ruled out... as terrorism/hijack has been mentioned several times already.

And if it was a hijack gone wrong, that would explain why no one has claimed responsibility

Turn off all equipment and tracking, fly low beneath radar and head for target in Beijing ? Crashed into the ocean by mistake, plan didn't go to plan so don't claim responsibility out of possible repercussions from the Chinese government. ...... it's possible, anything right now is possible.

I am starting to lead away from the terrorist theory, it is strange no one has claimed responsibility.

I think now I am leaning more to high altitude disintegration and it would have to have happened at the front of the plane in the cockpit which is why there was no Mayday. Basically I am imagining that something happened which detached or disintegrated the cockpit from the rest of the fuselage, leaving both sections to fall their own separate ways and no time for the pilots to say anything.

If it was terrorists then they were extremely dumb terrorists with an absurd plan who got ridiculously lucky in carrying it out or it was a clever plan which must have had help on the ground to get them through immigration when they entered Malaysia and when they left. Just strange now that there is nobody claiming responsibility but that could be because it didn't go to plan, so why claim responsibility and add the extra heat when you may be in the near end stages of another similar attack.

As you can see sailor man, I and a few others already stated this theory........but yea I have no clue what I'm talking about. Your the sailor here who knows absolutely everything and by the grace of the good lord you are here to educate us using your ever enlarging and extensive knowledge.

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian, says a BBC report

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian - Telegraph



A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark

The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.

One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

My wife is Asian as well and maybe you should try and read what I have written. I have stated that the obvious place to start would be the area that the plane was last spotted on the radar. I never stated that they should never in the entire investigation not widen the search, I just think they have been a little quick in that widening. Andaman sea after 48hrs.......seems a bit quick to me.

Just because they are searching in the Andaman sea, that doesnt mean that they have stopped searching in the Thai gulf.
There are a large amount of different people involved in the search , and they have the ability to search everywhere at once , rather than everyone all just looking in the same place

Originally Posted by Neverna

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian, says a BBC report

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian - Telegraph



A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark

The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.

One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.

Got the Austrian's age wrong. Got the final destinations wrong. Got the place of ticket purchase wrong. Sounds like a report from the Malaysians.

Would it be possible for the aeroplane to continue flying , undetected by radar ?

Tickets bought in Pattaya according to Bangkok Post.

Thai authorities have discovered that the tickets of two people who travelled on Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 using the stolen passports of an Italian and an Austian were been bought together from two...

http://bangkokpost.com/news/local/39...pattaya-agents

Well, we're closing in on the answer to the mystery holders of the stolen passports. They had Asian features; they did not have Asian features. They were black/African football players; they were Persians.

Why don't the Malaysians just man up and admit their CCTV cameras weren't working?

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Something that hasn't been covered, and probably won't, is the possibility that the airline is being blackmailed.

Hand over $ xxx or, guess what happens.

I'm pretty certain they would have run out of fuel by now

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Something that hasn't been covered, and probably won't, is the possibility that the airline is being blackmailed.

Hand over $ xxx or, guess what happens.

I'm pretty certain they would have run out of fuel by now

"Hand over $ xxx,xxx,xxx or we send one of your planes to the bottom of the ocean"

If the money isn't paid the threat becomes real.

No airline is going to admit that it could have prevented an incident like this by handing over money but you can bet the Board will be receiving a visit from Interpol, especially since the price of preventing a second one will be that much higher.

Interesting idea.....maybe the Somali pirates are tired of getting wet and having naval vessels shooting at them. so they have migrated over to the aviation business.... Some Somali's look kind of black Asian with a kind of Iranian look.... we may be closing in....

^
The planes are blown up over water to prevent the authorities figuring out how it was done. That makes it all the easier to do it again.

Just read this on a CBC site.

"The search area for a missing jetliner has expanded with Malaysian Airlines saying the western coast of the country is now the focus of the hunt"



That is on the other side of Malaysia from where flight MH370 was reported missing.

In a statement Tuesday it said the hunt had expanded beyond the flight path, and the "focus is on the West Peninsula of Malaysia at the Straits of Malacca."


So there you have it....the straights of Malacca.....but no hint as to why they think it went there....?????

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Neverna

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian, says a BBC report

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian - Telegraph



A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark

The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.

One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.

Got the Austrian's age wrong. Got the final destinations wrong. Got the place of ticket purchase wrong. Sounds like a report from the Malaysians.

It doesnt even state where the tickets were purchased , let alone get it wrong

Originally Posted by Fluke

where the tickets were purchased

pattaya - THAI POLICE RAID OFFICES WHICH PROVIDED TICKETS TO STOLEN PASSPORT HOLDERS ON FLIGHT MH 370 - Andrew Drummond

Iranian ladyboys heading to germany - understandable why everyone is confused

Originally Posted by koman

So there you have it....the straights of Malacca.

They are one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes. Surely debris would have been spotted there.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Originally Posted by koman

So there you have it....the straights of Malacca.

They are one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes. Surely debris would have been spotted there.

You would think so....but nothing much adds up in this whole story. They did not say why the search was shifting focus to that area....and the only thing that I can even begin to guess at, would be that if the AC did a U turn and flew on a reciprocal course it could eventually end up somewhere in that area..... There is no explanation offered so it's anybody's guess....

Does anyone here know of anyway at all a plane could continue flying without being spotted by radar and how low would you have to fly to be below radar...is there such a thing or is this just a Hollywood thing.

So they plane flew back over it's own country and nobody noticed...................

Apparently:

"Where the Malaysian plane was flying, the signals are picked up by sites only once a minute and only at a plane's cruising height above 29,000 feet. So a dramatic loss of altitude could conceivably also see a plane drop off their radar but potentially continue to travel for some distance."

Malaysian Airlines plane mystery: how can a flight disappear off radar? | World news | theguardian.com

Paragraph entitled - How does a plane simply 'disappear off the radar'?

Can't see how that's right.

Comparisons are being made with Adam Air 574 which crashed in 2007.

It was one week before wreckage was discovered underwater; 11 days before floating wreckage was found.

Three weeks before the FDR and CVR were found.

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

Apparently:

"Where the Malaysian plane was flying, the signals are picked up by sites only once a minute and only at a plane's cruising height above 29,000 feet. So a dramatic loss of altitude could conceivably also see a plane drop off their radar but potentially continue to travel for some distance."

Malaysian Airlines plane mystery: how can a flight disappear off radar? | World news | theguardian.com

Paragraph entitled - How does a plane simply 'disappear off the radar'?

Can't see how that's right.

Pointing a radar in a given direction doesn't mean you have a ground to vertical infinity picture. It's a focused beam, more akin to waving a floodlight around.
Further, depending on the purpose of the radar, signals processing can be used to filter out and omit unwanted coverage.

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

The blackbox will probably have to be kept in a bucket of water from Mecca during transportation to land.

It has to be anyway.