Prejudice in the West; a 67 million dollar pair of trousers

[mad_dog]

After hearing this story on the BBC:
ABC News: $67 Million Suit Over Pants

I assumed that the greedy lawyer was Jewish and the laundry owners were Chinese.

But it turns out the Lawyer is black and the laundry owners are Korean...

What does this say about the ingrained prejudices we all have?

The greedy Jew lawyer.

Inferior blacks who rob Korean businesses with guns.

Aren't we all at times guilty of falling back on lazy stereotypes? That as this story shows shouldn't be applied to define entire groups or even continents of people.

[sabang]

Yeh right, but what about a $67mm pair of Dak's.
No self respecting Honky would be seen in them.

[mad_dog]

Yeh right, but what about a $67mm pair of Dak's.
No self respecting Honky would be seen in them.

But my, initial, first reaction when I heard the story was "Jew York Jew York" which highlights my own nasty prejudice but on delving further and finding out that the shiester was black not only shot down my own stupid stereo-typing but also torpedoed the blacks as ignorant violent criminals bullshit of kid, blackgang etc etc

[blackgang]

So is that the way your burned out mind works.

1 Black lawyer means that all the rape, murder, drug dealings people of the same color pull off does not happen, or that the stats that Blacks are 1/10 of the total population and that 3/4 of all inmates in prisons are black is false?? Just because 1 went to school and got a sheepskin..

[blackgang]

check this out, easy to find

Over the past five decades, the disparity between races has widened dramatically as minorities have replaced whites in the prison population, according to the center.
In 1950, whites made up about 65 percent of all state and federal inmates, white minorities made up 35 percent. Today, the opposite is true, with 35 percent of the prison population made up of whites.
In Washington State, blacks make up 23 percent of the inmate population in the state Department of Corrections, while constituting just 3.4 percent of the state population, state officials say.
Native Americans make up 3.2 percent of the state prison population while representing 1.9 percent of the general population. Asians account for 2.4 percent of the state prison population and 5.9 percent of the general population.

Those of Hispanic origin (who may also be counted among the other categories) make up 13 percent of the state prison population and 6 percent of the general population

That one lawyer does prove a point, Blacks and whites are afforded the same opportunity's for an education and a place in life, only thing is whites use it and blacks do drugs.

[stroller]

Just because 1 went to school and got a sheepskin..

A sheepskin? I think he can afford some more classy garments for the cold season in N.Y., he ain't no alcoholic white trash in the boonies, this guy!

That one lawyer does prove a point, Blacks and whites are afforded the same opportunity's for an education and a place in life, only thing is whites use it and blacks do drugs.

One could say it proves the opposite, if there really were equal opportunities, we'd see the same number of Blacks and Whites doing well.

[stroller]

Several comments with unattributed quotes or personal insults deleted.

[danbo]

I assumed that the greedy lawyer was Jewish and the laundry owners were Chinese.

What does this say about the ingrained prejudices we all have?

I didn't initially understand your jump from singular to plural personal pronouns there MD - When I heard of this story I just thought, the law's an ass. But on reflection you are correct. Walking in London last week I passed signs that warned me to be wary of falling victim to street crime - My 'natural' assumption was that any would be assailant would most likely be black. And when I read or hear of a gun related drug crime in London or Manchester I assume that the victim or perpetrator will be black.

Interesting.

Is this because I am a racist, or is it because the facts of the percentages show my assumption to be 'the best bet' in these cases? I'm not sure, probably a mixture of the two.

I think that the best that I can attempt is to not let prejudice affect my attitude to others, but also not let a misguided liberal conscious lead me in the path of danger.

[stroller]

Is this because I am a racist, or is it because the facts of the percentages show my assumption to be 'the best bet' in these cases? I'm not sure, probably a mixture of the two.

That would, to a large extent, depend on the area you're walking in. If it was Brixton, I'd think of Blacks first, in Leicester Square, I wouldn't.

In Thailand, I'd think of Thais.

[blackgang]

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Very good thing to do, specially if you have no answer for the post and it is shooting up the rest your weak answers and ruining your filibuster.

[stroller]

They were deleted because they were some rants from chain-letters, one a fictional letter, without much of a comment from you. Refusing to state the source and insulting the mod who asked for this didn't help either.

It is the responsibility of any poster to indicate when and from where they are quoting.

[RDN]

...Is this because I am a racist, or is it because the facts of the percentages show my assumption to be 'the best bet' in these cases? I'm not sure, probably a mixture of the two.

I appreciate your candour, danbo.

I think that the best that I can attempt is to not let prejudice affect my attitude to others, but also not let a misguided liberal conscious lead me in the path of danger.

re. "the path of danger"... if you were walking along a London street and saw two black men approaching 100 yards away, would you cross the street? Would you cross if it were two white men?

[danbo]

I think that the best that I can attempt is to not let prejudice affect my attitude to others, but also not let a misguided liberal conscious lead me in the path of danger.

re. "the path of danger"... if you were walking along a London street and saw two black men approaching 100 yards away, would you cross the street? Would you cross if it were two white men?

I would make the decision based primarily on how the two were dressed and acting; the location, atmosphere, and time of day would also have a major influence - These factors taken into consideration I can say that I would be more likely to cross the road if the two were black. Once again, does this make me racist, or is it a 'sensible' decision considering that street crime (mugging) is carried out by a disproportionate number of black males in certain areas of London? Personally I'd rather take the risk of being wrong and injuring my liberal guilt than face a knife at my throat.

[stroller]

^
That's just being streetwise, innit?

[danbo]

^That's just being streetwise, innit?

I'd like to think so. I'm also a real big coward, so I tend to err on the side of caution.

[IsaanAlex]

mad dog wrote:

What does this say about the ingrained prejudices we all have?

The greedy Jew lawyer.

Inferior blacks who rob Korean businesses with guns.

It's an exception. No more or less.

Stereotypes are developed on more than grains of truth, IMHO.

It's like when people say, "Oh you don't like Jews but your best friend is one." Or, "you don't particularly like blacks but your buddy is one, etc".

Well, in short, there are groups and then, more importantly, there are...people.

And all people have their own individual characteristics.

And likewise, all groups have group characteristics.

This individual lawyers individual characteristics just appear to fall outside his groups.

Or is that the case?

Some might argue that he's just another black man looking for a handout/someone to blame...

IA

[stroller]

This individual lawyers individual characteristics just appear to fall outside his groups.

Which "groups" would that be? The black skin 'group', the New-York laywers 'group', the 30-40 years old US citizens 'group', and the single bachelor's 'group'?

Is he really so exceptional, or is this due to your perception of him, which focuses on skin colour?

Some might argue that he's just another black man looking for a handout/someone to blame...

The smilie doesn't make this remark any less offensive. Have you looked up the definition of "racism" yet?

[IsaanAlex]

^

What does the OP discuss in terms of identifying features of the 'expected' and actual players?

Thanks.

IA
PS. I read of Jews, Chinamen, Blacks, and Koreans. But maybe that's just me, right?

[stroller]

What does the OP discuss in terms of identifying features of the 'expected' and actual players?

Read the last paragraph of the OP to fully understand what he is on about, and to appreciate my comment.

Thanks.

[IsaanAlex]

^

I understood well what the OP was on about. Hence my post.

Don't like it?

Shove off.

The smilie doesn't make this remark any less offensive.

Don't like the remark; shove off as well.

Have you looked up the definition of "racism" yet?

Don't intend to change my comments regardless.

Have you considered not constantly biting at my ankles?



IA

[stroller]

Let's get back to the topic discussion:

mad dog wrote:

What does this say about the ingrained prejudices we all have?

The greedy Jew lawyer.

Inferior blacks who rob Korean businesses with guns.

It's an exception. No more or less.

Stereotypes are developed on more than grains of truth, IMHO.

It's like when people say, "Oh you don't like Jews but your best friend is one." Or, "you don't particularly like blacks but your buddy is one, etc".

Well, in short, there are groups and then, more importantly, there are...people.

And all people have their own individual characteristics.

And likewise, all groups have group characteristics.

This individual lawyers individual characteristics just appear to fall outside his groups.

Or is that the case?

Some might argue that he's just another black man looking for a handout/someone to blame...

IA

So, you are saying that this black man is an exception to his black man's group characteristics, and imply/suggest that looking for a handout/someone to blame is such group characteristic.

Now, may I ask what this opinion is based on?

Also, are there any positive characteristics for this particular group you can think of?

[IsaanAlex]

^

So, you are saying that this black man is an exception to his black man's group characteristics,

That is an individual judgement.

and imply/suggest that looking for a handout/someone to blame is such group characteristic.

I would agree with this. Generally speaking, of course.

Now, may I ask what this opinion is based on?

With regard to the above, blacks have high rates of welfare, utilise and agitate for special programs intended to give them a leg up, such as Affirmative Action in hiring and school admissions, etc.

They, and their self-appointed representatives are often also agitating and making demands of others. Many unreasonable; such as allowing virtually unlimited commentary and the use of select words...but going apeshit of others use the same words or commit the same acts that they commit day in and out.

Also, are there any positive characteristics for this particular group you can think of?

Blacks appear to excel in sport and are often musical and soulful.

IA