Cost of Tomatoes

[blackgang]

cost of tomatoes Not funny but sad!

THE COST OF TOMATOES & MAIDS & GARDENERS

From an American school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
immigration there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large
southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
meaning that its students average lower socio-economic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about-South Gate High, Bell Gardens,
Huntington Park, etc.- where these students are protesting, are also Title
1 schools.

One hundred percent of the students in this school and other Title 1
schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say


free breakfast I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll --but a full breakfast


and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud.

The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being
dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.

The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant
girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the
inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch
their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding
for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget
was already substantial.

I ended up buying new computer s for the computer learning center; half of
which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative
students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education
in America (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the
country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers,
calling them "putas" (whores) and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc, etc., etc. Is it any wonder


they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges,


and entitlements?

To my bleeding-heart friends who want to point out how much these illegal
immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the
real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, Medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more
crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new
diseases etc., etc., etc. As for me, I'd be glad to pay more for my
tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because


we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really
think they will voluntarily leave and return?

There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to our
country and many that I consider my true friends. We should encourage and
accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture
that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and
dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an
American culture that has become so weak and worried about "politically correct"
that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

[Mr Earl]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blackgang again.

[blackgang]

What are you talking about??I never give blackgang nothing..

and that E mail sure copy funny..But I found it very true from my experience in the states and also living in mexico with kids in school [not my kids,,step kids]

[sabang]

Only in America would a cereal bar be considered part of a full breakfast.

[blackgang]

I don't know, Granola bars are packed in some emergency rations, people carry them for a pickup snack.

But that is not what was meant by Cereal bar, what was meant was the same as salad bar, a large assortment of cereals, mix and match or take your own kind, flavor, choice..

IMHO

[peterpan]

More email spam from the red neck seppo brigade.
They have had a good life from a country that has been good to them but woe betide anyone else who wants to share in the US dream. BG, do you know how much the US spends in overseas aid as a % of GDP ? (Even including the vast amount of "aid" to Israel) Hint, Its a disgraceful pittance.

[sabang]

I don't know, Granola bars are packed in some emergency rations, people carry them for a pickup snack.

But that is not what was meant by Cereal bar, what was meant was the same as salad bar, a large assortment of cereals, mix and match or take your own kind, flavor, choice..

IMHO

I think you might be right there BG.

Anyone seen the film Stand and Deliver? It's based on a true story from Garfield High School in east LA. It shows what can be achieved with good teaching-
"Garfield achieved fame because of Jaime Escalante; during the 1980s he built an exceptional advanced placementcalculus program. In 1982, 18 of his students passed the advanced placement calculus test. The College Board suspected cheating and required the students to re-take the examination. Further testing showed that the students had actually learned the material.[5]
In 1987, 73 students passed, while another 12 passed the second year calculus test. In 1988, a popular film titled Stand and Deliver was made about the events of 1982. In 1990, there were over 400 students in Escalante's math program from algebra to calculus."
Sadly however-
"In 1991, he had a falling out with the school administration, which he felt was geared more towards sports than academics. By 1996, only seven passed the basic calculus exam, with four passing the advanced exam. That was a total of eleven passing students, down from a high of 85 nine years earlier. In 2001, the school made a slight recovery in its calculus scores, with 17 passing the basic test and seven passing the second year test.[6]
The legacy of Jaime Escalante can still be seen in the 722 students who took AP tests of some sort in 2000. They had a 44% overall pass rate, which is comparable to the national average."

Quotes from Wiki- Garfield High School (Los Angeles County, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) .

I think a large part of the problem, not just in the USA, is that the poorest schools also get the poorest teachers. Understandably so- I wouldn't want to teach in a 'hood if I had the choice.

[blackgang]

And this from PP, just another who has no fucking idea what he is talking about,

More email spam from the red neck seppo brigade.They have had a good life from a country that has been good to them but woe betide anyone else who wants to share in the US dream.

Which country are you so proud to be from there Peterpan??

Only the Scandinavian countries invest more than 1% of their gross domestic products (GDP) in foreign aid. The United States, Japan, Germany and the other leading economic powers spend proportionaterly much less. The United States spends only 0.12% of GDP -- one-eighth of one percent -- in overseas aid. Japan and Germany spend more, but not much more; only about 0.4% of GDP -- four-tenths of one percent.

Just another note from post

spend some time in the
real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

There are some legal immigrants, but most are illegal and getting the same bennies as those that are legal.
It is possible to get into the country legally, but most don't try or could not make it anyway.

Sabang, I do know something about the alternative edu program in the USA, I did some work with and lectures at those school in the western part of the country in 82 and 83, and some students did OK and some were just fuk ups looking for a place to settle.
Most came to school just enough to get a diploma that was issued if you just came and slept in the class and did nothing else, those are the ones that give the program a bad name.

[peterpan]

20 years ago I had a commercial relationship with a company in LA, we manufactured components for them.
The guy wanted to extend the subcontracting into complete assemblies but when we compared costs there was no way we could match his. I went over to see what his secret was, and of course it was the extensive use of his wetback labour force, without illegals he had no hope of being competitive in his export markets. I was amazed at how efficient they were and the long hours they worked, he was full of praise and reckoned even discounting the cheaper costs, they were a far better proposition and worked more productively than US citizens. In a work force of about 150 people he employed 1 legal (his brother).
So to trivialise the illegal labour contribution as merely "tomato pickers" shows that you BG are very ignorant of the massive contribution they make to the US economy, I don't expect you or your fellow red necks to accept that because of course it doesn't fit into the cosy templates that you like to slot others into.
I mean if it wasn't illegals, hispanics, Muslims, etc etc who would you guys have have to look down on?

[blackgang]

Well I don't know, you I guess, you piped up about how little the USA spent on foreign aid, then when called on it you changed your pitch to something else,, kinda phony ain't it?

But due to the fact that you have been there [the US] a time or two, then I guess that you are the resident expert about US on TD forums?

The guy you are talking about was in direct violation of US law as to working illegals, used to be a few and so laws were not looked at so severly, now it is a big problem,
NAFTA sent jobs out and still the illegals pour in to get the free side benefits that is costing the USA billions of dollars and you think that they should also top the world on foreign aid sent out, does not some of what they are spending supporting illegals count?
To say nothing of the 12 million illegals that the US is the sole support for.

[barbaro]

OP

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to blackgang again.

Sabang:

Anyone seen the film Stand and Deliver? It's based on a true story from Garfield High School in east LA. It shows what can be achieved with good teaching-

That was a very inspiring story.

A great story.

But at risk of sounding cynical Escalante and his students were the exception, and no the rule.

I'm not saying his and his students cannot do this.

But if you look at the LA Unified Public School District in the Latin areas you will see dropout rates of 50%.

This will confine these young people to lower paide unskilled jobs, and other negative things.