Thread: God Paradox

Can god create a stone so big he can not lift ?

If he can, then he he's not all powerful, but if he cannot, his powers of creation are limited.

shouldnt this be in Issues so i dont have to worry about it?

A dormouse?

I seem to remember a scripture which says something along the lines of the whole universe fitting into God's hand.

Many, many.................................. many, rocks...

I think god's only got one arm, as all you ever hear about is the hand of god....never the hands

that's the question of the content vs. the container

How do you define God if there is no container to define him since by definition he can't be contained.

One of the answer is that only emptyness can't be contained or defined physically. Only as a concept. Exactly like God.

So God and emptyness might be the 2 faces of the same coin.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

He's got the whole world in his hands

Ok so I don't go to church much

That was deep butterfly, I can't understand any of it but it's deep and profound anyway


Come one then Thetyim whats with the door ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

that's the question of the content vs. the container

How do you define God if there is no container to define him since by definition he can't be contained.

One of the answer is that only emptyness can't be contained or defined physically. Only as a concept. Exactly like God.

So God and emptyness might be the 2 faces of the same coin.

Emptiness = A condition of zero entropy, that's the physical definition.
As no conditions of zero entropy exist I agree that it's also a good
way to define god.

Let's take this further shall we ? simple version

There is no definition of God because there is no words for it. That's one of the reason why religious fanatics who constantly try to explain God are fraudulent individuals. There is no dimension or words to describe God Truth, that is its essence. It might not even exist in our world or dimension.

We are only projecting God in our world out of frustation to define it. Each religion is only a beam of that projection

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Emptiness = A condition of zero entropy, that's the physical definition.

That's a theorical definition. Did we ever find it ? have we measured it in the real world ? even the universe emptyness is not empty. There is matter, small, but still matter. Anti-matter could be the closest to emptyness we could get. But again it's being defined against another container, matter. Emptyness by itself is a concept. It doesn't exist, only in theory or mathematically.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

You'll have to clue me in on the difference between physical and theoretical
in this case, for me the laws of thermodynamics are pretty physical,
well-defined, and tested. Zero entropy is what we get when the universe
ends.

Thats theoretical, you don't know for sure what happends when the univers ends or that it will even end.

Anyway can he make this big fucking rock or not

Originally Posted by Thetyim

its da teekdoor innit>?

Originally Posted by RandomChances

.Thats theoretical, you don't know for sure what happends when the univers ends

Wrong.

Originally Posted by RandomChances

or that it will even end.

Also wrong.

But I'm tired of being Poindexter now so I can't be arsed
saying why it's wrong, pointless anyway, people always
prefer something easy and slick-sounding

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Anyway can he make this big fucking rock or not

Course he fokkin' can, he's god isn't he. He didn't come up
with all this paradox crap, theologians and philosophers did
and that's why god hates them, he doesn't have to make
sense to us and if we keep annoying him he's going to get well
pissed off and give us an almighty slapping.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Wrong.

is'nt

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Also wrong.

Also is'nt

Originally Posted by DrB0b

He didn't come up
with all this paradox crap, theologians and philosophers did
and that's why god hates them

Why did he make them then

Originally Posted by DrB0b

You'll have to clue me in on the difference between physical and theoretical
in this case, for me the laws of thermodynamics are pretty physical,
well-defined, and tested. Zero entropy is what we get when the universe
ends. Anti-matter still has entropy. As to emptiness not existing, you're
right but you missed a word, that word is now. If we're going to stick to the
here and now there's not much point in this kind of discussion, emptiness
existed in the past and will exist again in the future, thankfully there's none
of it around now or we wouldn't be here.

Yes, time, another dimension not to forget. But God know no time and if he is empty then emptyness doesn't care or can't be defined by time either, and by space for that matter (no pun)

The ToE and the different theories of relativity can't claim with certainty that the Universe will end and reborn through absolute emptyness. Are the nano seconds before the BigBang really emptyness ? maybe in Theory but we have no way to know if it's real or measure it's reality.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Everything has entropy, what has not got entropy is nothing which is, in my opinion, about as empty as it gets.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Nothingness doesn't require a container to be nothing

Nothingness to what ? that question already put it in a container.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Mathematics, btw, does define reality, and defines it
rather well, a lot better than philosophy does which is really what you're
talking about.

no, mathematics try to model reality with or without sucess, which is different. Mathematical theories evolve and are as reliable as human minds can be. Philosophy accomplish much more by bringing the questions that mathematicians wouldn't ask.

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Wrong.

is'nt

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Also wrong.

Also is'nt

Originally Posted by DrB0b

He didn't come up
with all this paradox crap, theologians and philosophers did
and that's why god hates them

Why did he make them then

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Wrong.

You don't know, I don't know, and we don't know

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Also wrong.

You don't know, I don't know, and we don't know

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by RandomChances

I think god's only got one arm, as all you ever hear about is the hand of god....never the hands

He's got the whole world in his hands
He's got the whole wide world in his hands
He's got the whole world in his hands
He's got the whole world in his hands

He's got the little bitty baby in his hands
He's got the little bitty baby in his hands
He's got the little bitty baby in his hands
He's got the whole world in his hands

He's got the whole world in his hands...

He's got you & me, brother, in his hands
He's got you & me, brother, in his hands
He's got you & me, brother, in his hands
He's got the whole world in his hands

.............

Congtrats to RC!

This should go down as a CLASSIC Troll. An impossible question;
requiring an unrealistic answer. The debate of mathematicians and
philosophers for centuries. I will enjoy watching this one play out
until one side or the other tires.

E. G.

I am not a sophist

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

An impossible question;
requiring an unrealistic answer.

Agreed
That's why I showed him the door

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

An impossible question;
requiring an unrealistic answer.

Agreed
That's why I showed him the door

Oh, is that why? I thought you opened because you heard the knock.