Scotland To Have Another Independance Referendum

[Scottish Gary]

The Scottish Government have just announced there will be a second referendum on independence. This is due to the fact that voters in gods country opted overwhelmingly to stay part of Europe and resent being dragged out against their will.
Soon England will have no Europe, no Scotland just an angry lonely country reflecting on past glories.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[Digby Fantona]

Scotland will sink without the rest of the UK. No independence, the Scots are not daft and the rest of us want them to stay. Sturgeon is a sneaky little shit.

[buriramboy]

Sturgeon is just being opportunistic knowing that the governments time will be spent negotiating Brexit, while I want to see an independent Scotland I think she's fucked up on the timing as my fellow Scots will know that a vote to leave next year will mean them being out of the EU and the UK and the low oil price will be exploited to show there will be a massive hole in the money wasting SNPs figures. Fear factor will win out and yet again they will vote to remain and they will then struggle to justify ever having another referendum, should have waited till 2020 when the UK is out of the EU.

[Scottish Gary]

I have just watched the announcement on line and i thought Nicola spelled out all the main points clearly, i.e. not just about this one issue regarding Europe but the threat of perpetual Westminster Tory rule and power grabs which are weakening our devolution and that it’s also the right thing to do to ask people what they reckon when the Brexit deal is nearing completion. On the other hand this announcement might just be a last-ditch bid to derail Brexit if Scotland is not offered special treatment in negotiations

[Pragmatic]

Sturgeon should stick to entertaining kids.

[Scottish Gary]

Sturgeon should stick to entertaining kids.

Never seen that one before.........................thats magic

[Pragmatic]

Never seen that one before

How about this one?





All in jest SG.

[Scottish Gary]

Sturgeon is just being opportunistic knowing that the governments time will be spent negotiating Brexit, while I want to see an independent Scotland I think she's fucked up on the timing as my fellow Scots will know that a vote to leave next year will mean them being out of the EU and the UK and the low oil price will be exploited to show there will be a massive hole in the money wasting SNPs figures. Fear factor will win out and yet again they will vote to remain and they will then struggle to justify ever having another referendum, should have waited till 2020 when the UK is out of the EU.

The democratic mandate for another Scottish independence referendum is indisputable. The English Tories in Westminster can try to block the move for another independence referendum, but if they do that, the Scottish government could just hold an advisory referendum (like the Brexit one was) and then endlessly claim "will of the people" when they win it (which they would because "English Tories are trying to silence Scotland - Vote Yes" would be just about the strongest pro-independence argument imaginable).

[harrybarracuda]

There is no mandate.

The majority of Scots voted to stay part of the Union.

The desperate fishwife can fuck off.

Like Slimey Salmond, she just wants the glory of being El Presidente Fishwife of Scotlandia, stupid fucking bitch.

[CaptainNemo]

Scots should be more worried about the threat of perpetual one-party SNP rule, with no business-orientated opposition to speak of.... think Venezuela meets Greece.

2/3 of Scotland don't want a referendum... they know what side their bread is buttered.

I mean seriously, do you really think Scots of working age want a hard border along the south, and have to buy a visa to go shopping or visit a concert, or visit family and friends, or have any kind of decent choice of university and job? Do you think the majority are going to vote to be locked inside a freezing parochial gulag? What currency are they going to have? How are they going to cope with WTO trade rules and tariffs slapped on their biggest trade partner? What are they going to do when the subsidies that keep people able to live in the remote rural and island areas going to do? Do Scots really want to be treated as foreign as developing world countries when they rock up to Berwick or Gretna?

The people voted on independence knowing that there was going to be a vote on EU membership shortly after, and they accepted the terms. It is somewhat odd to be arguing for leaving a political union of nations because of a decision to leave a political union of nations. Spain and France will resist Scotland joining the EU.

A whole generation of lives will be trashed if Scotland goes independent... It won't make a dent in the rest of the UK... but it will be upsetting.

The SNP is in decline, and this desperate publicity lurch is just a way of trying to rally their dwindling support, because they are anxious about how future elections will go. It's so typical of a troubleing one-party state to look outside for blame.

[CaptainNemo]

The democratic mandate for another Scottish independence referendum is indisputable.

It's completely fucking disputable.

The vote for independence was a "once in a generation vote" - that's 30 years.

Here's a latest poll:

Polling Matters / Opinium survey. Our latest survey focused on UK public opinion on Scottish Independence. It was conducted last weekend (3-7 March) but I held it back to now so as not to clash with the budget last week. Our first question deals with whether or not another referendum would be justified in the context of the Brexit vote. As you can see, a majority say it would not.

1. Do you think it is justified or not justified for Scotland to have another Independence referendum following Brexit?

Not justified – the 2014 referendum was “once in a generation” and has settled the issue for the foreseeable future and there should not be another referendum so soon after the last one.
51% Justified -in 2014 many Scots voted to stay in the UK so that they could also stay in the European Union. Brexit is a significant change in circumstances and Scots should be allowed to revisit the question in another referendum.
34% Don’t know 14%

...and the vote took place with the full knowledge that the EU vote would be on the basis of the result of the referendum vote.

I think the phrase is : "git tae feck".

What the Tories need to do, is de-merge the Scottish Unionist Party from the Tories, and let the SNP take a good kicking in the next election for being shit at running the country.

[harrybarracuda]

Better still, fuck off all these Brit-hating pikies back to Ireland where they belong.

[rebbu]

Better still, fuck off all these Brit-hating pikies back to Ireland where they belong.

Only if you take the orange, Irish hating, funny handshake bastards back to Britain

[Scottish Gary]

Scots should be more worried about the threat of perpetual one-party SNP rule, with no business-orientated opposition to speak of.... think Venezuela meets Greece.

2/3 of Scotland don't want a referendum... they know what side their bread is buttered.

I mean seriously, do you really think Scots of working age want a hard border along the south, and have to buy a visa to go shopping or visit a concert, or visit family and friends, or have any kind of decent choice of university and job? Do you think the majority are going to vote to be locked inside a freezing parochial gulag? What currency are they going to have? How are they going to cope with WTO trade rules and tariffs slapped on their biggest trade partner? What are they going to do when the subsidies that keep people able to live in the remote rural and island areas going to do? Do Scots really want to be treated as foreign as developing world countries when they rock up to Berwick or Gretna?

The people voted on independence knowing that there was going to be a vote on EU membership shortly after, and they accepted the terms. It is somewhat odd to be arguing for leaving a political union of nations because of a decision to leave a political union of nations. Spain and France will resist Scotland joining the EU.

A whole generation of lives will be trashed if Scotland goes independent... It won't make a dent in the rest of the UK... but it will be upsetting.

The SNP is in decline, and this desperate publicity lurch is just a way of trying to rally their dwindling support, because they are anxious about how future elections will go. It's so typical of a troubleing one-party state to look outside for blame.

Here we go! Personally I think the argument in favour of independence is weaker than before in that our largest trading partner{England} is going to be out of the EU

But the argument for the UK is even weaker still. It is basically coming down to a choice between potential trade barriers with England and even maybe restrictions on border crossings, or being ruled by a bunch of xenophobic right wingers who will bleed our public services dry and call us sponging Jocks for the privilege. (Which again, was always the natural and inevitable consequence of a No vote but now it is maybe a bit more obvious to the general Scottish public).

[Norton]

restrictions on border crossings

Build a wall to keep the riff raff from the south out. Won't cost much. A bit of repair on the one that Roman guy built will do the trick.

Here's a latest poll:

Polls not to be trusted. Pre bexit polls got it really wrong.

It is somewhat odd to be arguing for leaving a political union of nations because of a decision to leave a political union of nations

Both about sovereignty.

[klong toey]

Polls not to be trusted. Pre bexit polls got it really wrong.

Bookies got it right though.
For the last Scottish referedem.

[Begbie]

Here's a latest poll:
Polling Matters / Opinium survey. Our latest survey focused on UK public opinion on Scottish Independence.

Did you read your own post? (Rhetorical). It states a U.K. Survey.

On that basis we can have an EU wide poll on Brexit?

[Chittychangchang]

No Barnet formulae
No bail out for RBS
Oil at an all time low.
Even the Loch Ness monster doesn't beleivery this shit anymore.
The SNP are in cloud cuckoo land.

[Seekingasylum]

Scotland will gain independence within two years and its membership of the EU is assured and will be contemporaneous to its departure from the Union.

In calculating its finances and economic strength last time around, pundits thought Scotland's future was somewhat vulnerable but that didn't take into effect England's decision to quit the EU. With Brexit and the likely loss of the City's carte blanche to passport its services, the various banks etc are now actively looking to find an alternative within the EU to re-locate their operations. Now that Scotland will gain EU status it's a shoo-in that Edinburgh will be considered the perfect choice - a well established financial centre in its own right, well educated local employment pool, good housing and excellent links to N.America and Europe and of course will have full EU status. The Jap car industry similarly won't have far to go if they finally decide the hard Brexit is unpalatable.

The future is really beginning to take shape. Their EU membership is almost guaranteed not least by the likelihood the Irish will immediately demand it.

The English are really beginning to look increasingly fucked and that desiccated bitch May and the buffoon BoJo will go down in history as the cvunts who presided over the destruction of the United Kingdom.

I'm finally beginning to enjoy Brexit.

[Digby Fantona]

I'm finally beginning to enjoy Brexit.

We are all bored with you now. Please tell us what you know about Irish folk dancing.

[Begbie]

May still has a chance to step back from the brink. Keeping the U.K. In the single market will take a second Scottish referendum of the table.

I'll leave this here for our kipper friends.

[Digby Fantona]

If the Scots want to leave, they should go soon. We can always build a wall to keep them out. It's been done before.

[Chittychangchang]

The polls got it so...right with Brexit and Trump.

The only way Scotland will ever get independence is if they allow the rest of the UK to vote

The majority of your canny Scots want to stay in the union and out of the EU.
All Sturgeon and her flag wavers are doing is justifying their existence and fat pay packets from the UK tax payer.

[Digby Fantona]

[Scottish Gary]

The polls got it so...right with Brexit and Trump.

The only way Scotland will ever get independence is if they allow the rest of the UK to vote

The majority of your canny Scots want to stay in the union and out of the EU.
All Sturgeon and her flag wavers are doing is justifying their existence and fat pay packets from the UK tax payer.

How do you gather that the majority of Scots want out the EU when 62 per cent of us voted to remain?