Your signature is stupid, IA. It reveals either your immaturity, or your inexperience of TD. Either way, please remove it; it's quite inaccurate.
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Your signature is stupid, IA. It reveals either your immaturity, or your inexperience of TD. Either way, please remove it; it's quite inaccurate.
stroller wrote:
I am rather sensitive to people trying to characterise my words as 'lies' as well.Quote:
I also object to the false statement and insinuations in your signature, yes, some people are rather sensitive to lies.
If you disagree with anything that I am saying, ask what you'd like me to support, and I'll attempt to do so.
I'll show why I believe as I do, which is all I can do. The same as people who think otherwise can usually only show why they believe as they do.
Because often the core facts are the same but the interpretations are different. The question is...whose interpretation is more reasonable and supportable.
Yes, we can see.Quote:
We'll see...
I already feel comfort in the attentions to the issue.
If a group other than Jews were mentioned there would likely not be so much pressure to 'reform' my Signature.
Again, this supports my contention.
Take issue with womever you want...but take issue with Jews and people will start to take issue with you.
;)
IA
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Moved from another thread.
OK, I'll bite:
Attempt to prove the statements in your signature are true:
What are the "core facts" here, have you been reading the Issues trash bin for the last few months?Quote:
'Disparage' Whites...no problem. 'Disparage' Blacks...No problem. 'Disparage' Jews...and your posts and comments will be deleted. Now that's POWER.
Ehm, how can a presumption support anything?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaanAlex
Oh dear, you really are persecuted for anti-semitic sentiments, how unfair! :p Unfortunately you haven't noticed what's going on all around you.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaanAlex
It's all very much a self-created loop your stuck in, which I wouldn't be much concerned with, but unfortunately, it results in you making false statements such as in your signature - and this is the harmless end of the wedge of your ideology.
The name of this thread is peculiar.
How is it 'Anti-Jewish' to note that anything potentially 'negative' said, that relates to Jews, is constantly censored or highly subject to censor...while 'disparaging' comments about other groups are usually let stand?
I am not 'Anti-Jewish' as much as 'pro-fairness'...
IA
In the last year, since March of 2006, there has been a lot of criticism of the American Jewish community leaders who are Zionist and/or support Israel.
Why? I think not because of their support, but because of their attempts to smear and ruin anyone who is questioning the US's total support of Israel. It has hurt the U.S. tremendously.
The Mearsheimer and Walt article that was pulled from the Atlantic Monthly in March of 2006 started a discussion in America.
The Jews in America has significant influence over the U.S. media.
Problem? No, in my opinion.
Influencing not only foreign policy and restricting discussion?
Absolutely.
(I have the Mearsheimer and Walt article saved in my Draft Email.)
This is about moderating in Issues, Milkman.
The name of this thread is based on the content of the first post, in which you alledge that your signature is being picked on because it relates to Jews, and in the sig itself you alledge that 'disparaging' Jews is picked on, and you took it a level further into a general statement about taking issue with Jews and being taken issue with. I took the liberty to interprete "disparaging Jews" as "anti-Jewish sentiments", which relates directly to the post your sig referred to, so maybe it is not quite so "peculiar" as you make out.Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaanAlex
Suggest a different title if you're not happy with it.
I note that you have not responded to any of my questions and points, nor attempted to support your allegations.
Let me remind you that the issue at hand is the false statement in your sig regarding moderating here, and your allegation that if it concerned a different group, the pressure wouldn't be on - incidentally, this is directed at me personally.
Do as you said you would and support your allegations.
I did not know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
How?
I thought this thread was about: if you criticize Jews in America it is squashed, such as the Mearsheimer & Walt article.
If this is about Moderating and moderating issues I think that's fine.
But no one told about this.
Why?
Neither the title nor any post mentions America nor the Mearsheimer & Walt article, well, you brought it in. :)
Sorry, I should have made a clearer topic title, but I thought it was quite clear, since the opening comment refers to Alex's signature, which contains: "'Disparage' Jews...and your posts and comments will be deleted.", and I mentioned the Issues trash bin in my reply.:)
The "pressure" to change the sig was first applied by Wallace, and I then confirmed that I object to the sig as well.
Alex's sig referred to one of my posts in the Racism USA thread, where I told kerux that anti-semitic comments will be deleted.
Now for 1) I made this comment in a thread about Black on White racism in the US
2) it was in response to kerux challenging my authority
So Alex's claim about 'disparaging' comments about other groups being let stand was rather 'loopy' to put it politely, not to say outright false, not only about my moderating, but of Issues in general by implication.
No problem, Stroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
I do think nationality may be a factor in this.
In the U.S. (some posters are from Canada) there has been a lot of controversy towards Jewish interests censoring and punishing articles that criticize Israel and Jewish interests in America.
Therefore, this is a sensitive topic.
Right now in the U.S. there is a lot of controversy about Jewish interests and support for Israel, AIPAC, media, etc.
It's very, very, very, controversial
That's why any suppression or censorship of any criticism of Jews and/or Israel is controversial in the forum by American and perhaps Canadian citizens.
This last year, Jews/Zionism/Aipac/ have been one of the most controversial topics in the U.S.
Ok, thanks, I still don't see how that justifies the rather 'odd' signature about my and TD's moderating, which has been removed as far as I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
But I appreciate there may be a 'clash of cultures' here, I think it is quite clear that I am charged about this subject as a German. I will counteract any anti-semitic comments and neo-Nazi propaganda - Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and the like are not people to hold in high regard for their views and actions.
As moderating goes, I have deleted and reprimanded all overly racist comments, and have been accused by all offending sides of being partial over the past year, ranging from calling me a Nazi to a Muslim-lover, anti-semite and more.
I am not having someone who barges in here with their oddball views on racial issues and the Nazis spout their presumptions about my modding bias in their signature. Simple as that.
The first OP post (IMO) is about censorship of criticism of Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
I also think it relates to Jewish censorship, which is a serious problem in the U.S.
I do not think Germany, Nazism, the Third Reich, or other anti-semitism has anything to do with the first post in this thread.
I think his signature is a fair comment also, although I haven't paid attention to it.
If you criticize Jews, you get punished.
This is the deal.
Many American Jews will use the Holocaust, Nazism, and Hitler, as an excuse to justify their bullying in the U.S.
Alan Dershowitz's comments last year is a perfect example.
So, in your opinion, is the problem in America with Jews or with Zionist supporters of Israel? I know many Jews who don't support Israel, who are in fact horrified by the actions of that country. I get very suspicious when people ostensibly criticising Israel ascribe the actions of Israeli politicians and the actions of supporters of Israeli politicians to Jews rather than to Israeli politicians and the supporters of Israeli politicians. It's worth remembering that while most Israelis are Jews most Jews are not Israelis.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkmanThe first OP post (IMO) is about censorship of criticism of Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by stroller
I also think it relates to Jewish censorship, which is a serious problem in the U.S.
I do not think Germany, Nazism, the Third Reich, or other anti-semitism has anything to do with the first post in this thread.
I think his signature is a fair comment also, although I haven't paid attention to it.
If you criticize Jews, you get punished.
This is the deal.
Many American Jews will use the Holocaust, Nazism, and Hitler, as an excuse to justify their bullying in the U.S.
Alan Dershowitz's comments last year is a perfect example.
I will go on record now that, IMHO, stroller is abusing his position as mod.
Wallace complained about my signature.
stroller then agreed with him.
I then posted in direct response to them...but my 'response' post got cut from the thread and made into a new one.
This denies me my response to an issue they raised and gives let's them control the issue.
I noted that if you speak out about Jews you will be censored; and I proved it. Whether your post get deleted outright, edited, or split at a point that gives the detracters the last word on the issue that they raised.
If stroller were an honest broker he would have split the thread at the point that Wallace complained about my signature. Then my response would have followed.
It all would have at least been in one place and no one, predictably myself, would have been muzzled at the source.
IA
PS. stroller also used his mod powers to name the thread according to his own bias.
true.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
but i wonder what percentage of jews support the actions of the israeli govt. is there any polling data?
IA
i like reading your posts, but these meta posts are so very 'kerux'. please keep it in the criticism thread.
I don't know, perhaps in the USA. Jews are so widespread across the world that I don't see how there could be any sort of representative poll. I have a feeling (no proof) that many would support Israel as the lesser of two evils and I can't say I particularly blame them for that (this is not saying that I support Israels current policies re: Palestinians).Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
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Originally Posted by DrB0b
Yes.
But more importantly, how they use this support.
Didn't I specifically say this in my last post on this topic?
Nice try.Quote:
I know many Jews who don't support Israel, who are in fact horrified by the actions of that country. I get very suspicious when people ostensibly criticising Israel ascribe the actions of Israeli politicians and the actions of supporters of Israeli politicians to Jews rather than to Israeli politicians and the supporters of Israeli politicians. It's worth remembering that while most Israelis are Jews most Jews are not Israelis.
It isn't working.
There was an "or" in the middle of that question, yes isn't really an answer in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkmanQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Yes.
But more importantly, how they use this support.
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Originally Posted by drb0b
What does that mean? Seriously, you've confused me here. I was trying to point out that the actions of Zionists are not the actions of all Jews. Are you seriously saying they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
raycarey wrote:
RC, I have limited time so I post according to my interests. On a priority first basis.Quote:
IA
i like reading your posts, but these meta posts are so very 'kerux'. please keep it in the criticism thread.
And Zionism and censorship go hand in hand.
More specifically, however, this issue got raised by Wallace and stroller. Not myself. And Wallace was complaining about my Signature which is at the bottom of every post I make.
If Wallace and stroller didn't want my Signature being an issue in this thread they should not have raised it here.
And I've already put a complaint in. This is strollers first bit of dishonesty as a mod.
He is seeking to use his mod powers to control the direction of discussions. He then creates a new thread at the point he wants, gives it the name he wants, and then sets the issues in his own terms.
Ridiculous.
IA
Let me clarify.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
You're trying to use little semantics to get this off-topic.
Not all Jews are Zionists.
Not all Jews support Zionism.
Many Right-wing Xtians support Zionism.
Zionism is not exclusive to Jews.
Then you'd better do:Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
This is not about some shite in the US, milkdud!Quote:
'Disparage' Whites...no problem. 'Disparage' Blacks...No problem. 'Disparage' Jews...and your posts and comments will be deleted. Now that's POWER.
Edit: Alex continues to slander me, not a single word of response to my original questions and points.
A true hypocritical demagoge who refuses to back up anything he says and invents accusations as he goes along.
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Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
stroller wrote:
The "first post", with regard to this issue was Wallaces. Then you chimed in. Boon Mee was also allowed his kicking.Quote:
The name of this thread is based on the content of the first post,
Then my response was cut off the thread...and made into a new one... where people have no background.
Then you named the thread according to your own bias, using the words "Anti-Jewish", which I would not have done.
Then you demand questions of me.
Let's back up...
You are abusing your position as mod, as I predicted you would. You have also proven my Signature correct.Quote:
in which you alledge that your signature is being picked on because it relates to Jews, and in the sig itself you alledge that 'disparaging' Jews is picked on, and you took it a level further into a general statement about taking issue with Jews and being taken issue with.
IA
Stroller:
Stroll, I think this signature is not good, after thinking about it as a whole.Quote:
his is not about some shite in the US, milkdud!
Edit: Alex continues to slander me, not a single word of response to my original questions and points.
A true hypocritical demagoge who refuses to back up anything he says and invents accusations as he goes along.
I think it's fair to leave a poster's criticisms of Modding and Mod-actions to the "Critique" section, PMing, or other means.
We're going in circles again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
How long will this go on?
Many Jews are Zionists (I don't have polling data)
Many Jews are not Zionists (I don't have polling data.)
Many Right-wing Xtians are Zionists (I don't have polling data.)
We are dumbing down this topic so much that we've lost the entire point.