Anti-Jewish sentiments are unfairly picked on, ST

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Edit: Alex continues to slander me, not a single word of response to my original questions and points.
A true hypocritical demagoge who refuses to back up anything he says and invents accusations as he goes along.

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We've got an issue of mod abuse here.

You'll have to account for your actions before I'd ever even consider having any discussions with you again.

You are a dishonest poster.

And you are a dishonest mod.

Both your personal, and now your functionary,...aims are to promote your views over others who hold views you disagree with.

IA
PS. stroller, as a poster, you can choose to ignore me, but not as a mod. Address this issue please. It's a bit dishonest that I've been raising in while you've chosen to ignore it and talk over me. And slam me all the while you purposefully ignore me.

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Originally Posted by IsaanAlex

I will go on record now that, IMHO, stroller is abusing his position as mod.

Wallace complained about my signature.

stroller then agreed with him.

I then posted in direct response to them...but my 'response' post got cut from the thread and made into a new one.

This denies me my response to an issue they raised and gives let's them control the issue.

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You're doing quite well, considering your response was denied.:rolleyes: Why not suggest to move the other posts as well instead of raising hell and playing the victim card? Still haven't discovered the pm function nor read what I suggested earlier you do before slinging shite at mods in public?

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I noted that if you speak out about Jews you will be censored; and I proved it. Whether your post get deleted outright, edited, or split at a point that gives the detracters the last word on the issue that they raised.

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You spoke out against my moderating, "Jews" only come into it in as far as you accuse me of censoring anti-Jew comments, and still haven't uttered a single word to support what you said, contrary to what you announced and can clearly be read by everybody on page one of this thread.

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And Zionism and censorship go hand in hand.

More specifically, however, this issue got raised by Wallace and stroller. Not myself. And Wallace was complaining about my Signature which is at the bottom of every post I make.

If Wallace and stroller didn't want my Signature being an issue in this thread they should not have raised it here.

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Wallace and myself are Zionists? You are completely insane!:mad:
We objected to your sig, your refusal to change it was the issue, it was a false statement about myself and modding in Issues - I didn't want it to show in every post you make.:)

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And I've already put a complaint in. This is strollers first bit of dishonesty as a mod.

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What dishonesty? Explain your signature and then let's move on to my dishonesty, or will this be just another question left unanswered Alex?

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Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

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We're going in circles again.


How long will this go on?


Many Jews are Zionists (I don't have polling data)

Many Jews are not Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

Many Right-wing Xtians are Zionists (I don't have polling data.)



We are dumbing down this topic so much that we've lost the entire point.

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I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists. You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media. If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot. Suddnely deciding that you meant Zionists after all doesn't take away from the fact that you said Jews do these things. How long will it go on? Who knows? As long as there are people who recognise bigotry when they see it and are prepared to point it out is my guess.

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Why not suggest to move the other posts as well instead of raising hell and playing the victim card?

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Why was an issue that Wallace raised (and you agreed with) split only when a direct reply by myself was given?

Why was it split after my reply and not at the point that Wallace raised the issue?

How can it be fair that a new thread is begun with no background?

Why is the thread given a 'charged' heading? If you're going to do that I don't want to be the first poster. It's not what I'd say...

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Still haven't discovered the pm function nor read what I suggested earlier you do before slinging shite at mods in public

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This was done publicly because it is a PUBLIC issue. It's already all out in the open for all to see.

You were content to let Wallace's and your comments PUBLICLY remain while shuttling off my reply to a different thread that you names.

Also, I know that as a poster that you are dishonest. I also know that as a mod that you are dishonest. So why will I elect to deal with a dishonest person behind 'closed doors'?

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PS. You also got your PM. And before I saw this latest post of yours as well.

Yeah, keep stirring shit, boy, instead of seeking answers and solutions.
I suppose you had no choice but to go public, couldn't have used the report button, for example? Couldn't possibly have addressed another mod via pm to resolve things amicably, not even after I pointed it out to you as an avenue, could you?

Fekking drama queen, go and buy some more tissues.

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I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists.

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WRONG! Again.

Let me clarify again.

I have never blamed anybody.

The term "Jews" was used as a plural noun.

So now, I will be more specific from now until the future:

Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews

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You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media.

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Yes, I noted Jewish censorship (Mearsheimer & Walt) and Jewish control of the media.

How long is this going to go on?

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If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot

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Ahh....you're trying to say because I noted Jewish censorship and Jewish control of the media.....that I'm a bigot.

So....I am a bigot against whom?

1. People who practice Judaism?

2. People who practice some forms of Judaism (religiously)?

3. People (U.S. citizens only) who are 1 or 2 or both, who practice Judaism?

4. People who follow Jewsih cultural traditions but aren't religious?

5. Zionists? (which may or may not include 1.2.3.4?)


Nice try.

It's become en-vogue here as of late to talk about Jews, without making distinctions.
Thanks for pointing out that who you are referring to are "Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews", Milkman.

STROLLER --- your the biggest shit stirrer on this forum !!!!

report it to the mods???-- what a joke-- several times have you not only sat back and laugh at personal attacks and let them happen, but joined in the attacking !!!!

I would be REALLY INTERESTED to know, just what other NICS you have-- then we would see just what kind of unbiased moderator you really are !!!

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Yeah, keep stirring shit, boy, instead of seeking answers and solutions.

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What is this 'boy' stuff?

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I suppose you had no choice but to go public, couldn't have used the report button, for example? Couldn't possibly have addressed another mod via pm to resolve things amicably, not even after I pointed it out to you as an avenue, could you?

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You don't understand stroller.

The problem is YOU. I already predicted you would be a problem when you started fast and furiously following me around and sniping at me and then repeatedly cut my posts and put them in the critiques section.

Then you manipulated another thread leaving yourself and another poster of your persuasion with the last word.

And started this BOGUS thread, with your own title, supposedly to continue the debate.

What a joke.

The problem here is that you are a mod...that is using his influence to 'manage' his agenda.

How to 'amicably' rectify that?

IA
***EDIT Specific problem looks resolved for time being.***

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It's become en-vogue here as of late to talk about Jews, without making distinctions.
Thanks for pointing out that who you are referring to are "Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews", Milkman.

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I should not even use the world "Jew" or "Jewish."

I should use the word "Zionist."

I am only talking about POLITICS.

This is how my brain is wired.


I don't care about Jews or Judaism or the Jewish religion and/or culturally than anything else.

My focus is POLITICAL.

I have had Jewish friends growing up. Most of the were "culturally Jewish" meaning they casually followed traditions, etc, but didn't follow the religion closely if at all.

I don't even care.

My focus is political:

Media

Journalism

US foreign policy.


I will make this very clear more in the future.

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I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists.

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[WRONG! Again.

Let me clarify again.

I have never blamed anybody.

The term "Jews" was used as a plural noun.

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As opposed to what?

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[So now, I will be more specific from now until the future:

Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews

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Why the need to specify that they are Jews as well as being Zionists?

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You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media.

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[Yes, I noted Jewish censorship (Mearsheimer & Walt) and Jewish control of the media.

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We've been through the Jewish control of the media before. I showed that the major media groups in America were controlled by a mixture of people, the only thing they had in common was that they were all men. I asked people to show me that they were controlled by Jews, nobody replied. Now's your chance. Take the top 10 media groups in the States, show us they're controlled by Jews.

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If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot

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Ahh....you're trying to say because I noted Jewish censorship and Jewish control of the media.....that I'm a bigot.

So....I am a bigot against whom?

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This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too. A closer to home example would be Americans, worldwide Americans are getting the blame for the actions of GWB, nobody cares whether those Americans support Bush or not, they're targets because they're no longer looked on as people, they're only Americans. Anybody who seeks to label a mass of people and then treat that mass as if it was an individual who was responsible for the actions of smaller units of that mass is a bigot.

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This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too.

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I agree.

The Spanish Inquisition was despicable.

The Progroms.

The Death camps in WWII.


But my point is: (again): AMERICAN ZIONISM.


We need to focus on today.

Using past persecution is totally irrelevant to what is going on in the U.S. right now.

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Then you manipulated another thread leaving yourself and another poster of your persuasion with the last word.

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I just had a look at the other thread: the reason it was split the way it was is that your and my comments after Wallace's contain material which pertains to the thread at hand, which I didn't want to remove, since it would make no sense in this one. For your perusal: https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...usrael-11.html

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The problem is YOU. I already predicted you would be a problem when you started fast and furiously following me around and sniping at me and then repeatedly cut my posts and put them in the critiques section.

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That's quite emotive language, note that I posted in some of the threads before you did. When you 'snipe' and attack mods or moderating, it gets moved into the critique thread, I could also have binned most of the stuff, actually.

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Then you manipulated another thread leaving yourself and another poster of your persuasion with the last word.

And started this BOGUS thread, with your own title, supposedly to continue the debate.

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Wow, dude, you're really tripping now. Do you have any interest in resolving this, or do you just want to have a pop at me and claim you are the victim of some evil plot?

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Originally Posted by IsaanAlex

The problem here is that you are a mod...that is using his influence to 'manage' his agenda.

How to 'amicably' rectify that?

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As I said, if you don't trust me, which is fair enough, though you haven't tried to ask me to change topic titles or move posts, there are other mods, including your friend Milkman.

Now it's gone rather dramatic in public, I mean, what do you want as an outcome of this? For me it's fine your sig was removed and I earlier thought we'd maybe come to some understanding here, after Milkman pointed out the national and cultural differences.
I mean, maybe you are less of a dishonest Neo-Nazi than I first thought, and maybe I am not such a power-abusing maniac as you think either.

Could there be a spoonful of misinterpreting each other in all this?

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This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too.

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I agree.

The Spanish Inquisition was despicable.

The Progroms.

The Death camps in WWII.


But my point is: (again): AMERICAN ZIONISM.


We need to focus on today.

Using past persecution is totally irrelevant to what is going on in the U.S. right now.

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I was referring to the present, not the past.

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According to the 2005 U.S. State Department Report on Global Anti-Semitism, antisemitism in Europe has increased significantly in recent years (but see fn.31 below). Beginning in 2000, oral attacks directed against Jews increased while incidents of vandalism (e.g. graffiti, fire bombings of Jewish schools, desecration of synagogues and cemeteries) surged. Physical assaults including beatings, stabbings and other violence against Jews in Europe increased markedly, in a number of cases resulting in serious injury and even death.

On January 1, 2006, Britain's chief rabbi, Sir Jonathan Sacks, warned that what he called a "tsunami of antisemitism" was spreading globally. In an interview with BBC's Radio Four, Sacks said that antisemitism was on the rise in Europe, and that a number of his rabbinical colleagues had been assaulted, synagogues desecrated, and Jewish schools burned to the ground in France. He also said that: "People are attempting to silence and even ban Jewish societies on campuses on the grounds that Jews must support the state of Israel, therefore they should be banned, which is quite extraordinary because ... British Jews see themselves as British citizens. So it's that kind of feeling that you don't know what's going to happen next that's making ... some European Jewish communities uncomfortable."[91]

Much of the new European antisemitic violence can actually be seen as a spill over from the long running Israeli-Arab conflict since the majority of the perpetrators are from the large immigrant Arab communities in European cities. According to The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism and Racism, most of the current antisemitism comes from militant Islamist and Muslim groups, and most Jews tend to be assaulted in countries where groups of young Muslim immigrants reside.[92]
Similarly, in the Middle East, anti-Zionist propaganda frequently adopts the terminology and symbols of the Holocaust to demonize Israel and its leaders — for instance, comparing Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews. At the same time, Holocaust denial and Holocaust minimization efforts find increasingly overt acceptance as sanctioned historical discourse in a number of Middle Eastern countries.

On April 3, 2006, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights announced its finding that incidents of antisemitism are a "serious problem" on college campuses throughout the United States. The Commission recommended that the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights protect college students from antisemitism through vigorous enforcement of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and further recommended that Congress clarify that Title VI applies to discrimination against Jewish students.[93]

On September 19, 2006, Yale University founded The Yale Initiative for Interdisciplinary Study of Antisemitism, the first North American university-based center for study of the subject, as part of its Institution for Social and Policy Studies. Director Charles Small of the Center cited the increase in antisemitism worldwide in recent years as generating a "need to understand the current manifestation of this disease".[94]

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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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I guess you posted this while I was still editing my post. Normally I don't like to use Wikipedia but in this case it should give you a starting point and maybe help you to understand some of the real things happening to real people because and only because they're Jews.

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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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I guess you posted this while I was still editing my post. Normally I don't like to use Wikipedia but in this case it should give you a starting point and maybe help you to understand some of the real things happening to real people because and only because they're Jews.

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Nice Try!!


Now YOU be specific.

How does American Zionism relate to the PAST.



I'm waiting. :D

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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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I guess you posted this while I was still editing my post. Normally I don't like to use Wikipedia but in this case it should give you a starting point and maybe help you to understand some of the real things happening to real people because and only because they're Jews.

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Nice Try!!


Now YOU be specific.

How does American Zionism relate to the PAST.



I'm waiting. :D

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What are you talking about? You're not too good at this are you? Like the other anti-semites and assorted hate-mongers on this forum you resort to gibberish when you realise you can't back up anything you say. It's mildly amusing in a pitiful sort of way.

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Do you have any interest in resolving this, or do you just want to have a pop at me and claim you are the victim of some evil plot?

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I do, honestly.

Before your post I put an edit on my last post (above) indicating that the specific issue looked to be resolved.

I also put a nice post in the Critiques thread to round it all out there.

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I mean, what do you want as an outcome of this?

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Firstly, I thought it all patently unfair. ;)
Secondly, I wanted the issue resolved.
Lastly, I wanted round-table notice given of the issue. In the hopes that it doesn't happen as such again...

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For me it's fine your sig was removed

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Well naturally it is for you. I still object as I think it was a true statement on both this forum and in general.

I think that the fact that the issue of my Signature was raised on a Zionist thread and it's now been deleted is highly ironic.

Art at it's finest.:D

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I mean, maybe you are less of a dishonest Neo-Nazi than I first thought, and maybe I am not such a power-abusing maniac as you think either.

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I don't even consider myself much:p of a Neo-Nazi and am pointedly honest.

I also think highly of your principles and agree with most of them to an extent.

For example, like you, I also seek protections for the weak and exploited. Unfortunately, we have very different ideas of who the victims really are.

And so while I don't exactly think you're a "power abusing maniac" I do worry that your (very) strong principles might interfere, or be interfering, with your abilities to mod fairly at times.

I'm definitely willing to chalk this one up to 'growing issues' and move past it however.

*shakes hand*

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Could there be a spoonful of misinterpreting each other in all this?

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Probably very little. :p

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Like the other anti-semites amd assorted hate-mongers on this forum you resort to gibberish when you realise you can't back up anything you say. It's mildly amusing in a pitiful sort of way.

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You've just called someone an anti-semite and a hate-monger.

How can this be constructive?

IA

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Do you have any interest in resolving this, or do you just want to have a pop at me and claim you are the victim of some evil plot?

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I do, honestly.

Before your post I put an edit on my last post (above) indicating that the specific issue looked to be resolved.

I also put a nice post in the Critiques thread to round it all out there.

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I mean, what do you want as an outcome of this?

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Firstly, I thought it all patently unfair. ;)
Secondly, I wanted the issue resolved.
Lastly, I wanted round-table notice given of the issue. In the hopes that it doesn't happen as such again...

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For me it's fine your sig was removed

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Well naturally it is for you. I still object as I think it was a true statement on both this forum and in general.

I think that the fact that the issue of my Signature was raised on a Zionist thread and it's now been deleted is highly ironic.

Art at it's finest.:D

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I mean, maybe you are less of a dishonest Neo-Nazi than I first thought, and maybe I am not such a power-abusing maniac as you think either.

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I don't even consider myself much:p of a Neo-Nazi and am pointedly honest.

I also think highly of your principles and agree with most of them to an extent.

For example, like you, I also seek protections for the weak and exploited. Unfortunately, we have very different ideas of who the victims really are.

And so while I don't exactly think you're exactly a "power abusing maniac" I do worry that your (very) strong principles might interfere, or be interfering, with your abilities to mod fairly at times.

I'm definitely willing to chalk this one up to 'growing issues' and move past it however.

*shakes hand*

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Could there be a spoonful of misinterpreting each other in all this?

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Probably very little. :p

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Like the other anti-semites amd assorted hate-mongers on this forum you resort to gibberish when you realise you can't back up anything you say. It's mildly amusing in a pitiful sort of way.

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You've just called someone an Anti-semite and a hate-monger.

How can this be constructive?

IA

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Pipe down Alex, I have no truck with your fake reasonableness.

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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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I guess you posted this while I was still editing my post. Normally I don't like to use Wikipedia but in this case it should give you a starting point and maybe help you to understand some of the real things happening to real people because and only because they're Jews.

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Nice Try!!


Now YOU be specific.

How does American Zionism relate to the PAST.



I'm waiting. :D

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What are you talking about? You're not too good at this are you? Like the other anti-semites and assorted hate-mongers on this forum you resort to gibberish when you realise you can't back up anything you say. It's mildly amusing in a pitiful sort of way.

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Boy Oh Boy!!

You're arguments are really that weak?!!

You diverted the topic of American Zionism by going into the "bigot" route.

Then you talk about the present-past-present-past -- excuse me, I lost count.

Question:


What does the past have to do with AMERICAN ZIONISM?




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^ Aha!

The present and not the past.


Really.......:)

Now YOU be specific......

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I guess you posted this while I was still editing my post. Normally I don't like to use Wikipedia but in this case it should give you a starting point and maybe help you to understand some of the real things happening to real people because and only because they're Jews.

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Nice Try!!


Now YOU be specific.

How does American Zionism relate to the PAST.



I'm waiting. :D

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What are you talking about? You're not too good at this are you? Like the other anti-semites and assorted hate-mongers on this forum you resort to gibberish when you realise you can't back up anything you say. It's mildly amusing in a pitiful sort of way.

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Boy Oh Boy!!

You're arguments are really that weak?!!

You diverted the topic of American Zionims by going into the "bigot" route.

Then you talk about the present-past-present-past -- excuse me, I lost count.

Question:


What does the past have to do with AMERICAN ZIONISM?




:D

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I talked about the present. I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?

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Pipe down Alex, I have no truck with your fake reasonableness.

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Oh dear.

I've actually had a bit of a row with stroller and kept it quite civil. I've also disagreed repeatedly with others and done likewise....

What actually makes you think my "reasonableness" is "fake?'

IA

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I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?

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Let me ask this question again.

Because....you still have not answered:


How does the past equate with American Zionism?

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I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?

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Let me ask this question again.

Because....you still have not answered:



How does the past equate with American Zionism?

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Why are you asking me? Is this some kind of playground debating technique, to constantly ask someone to justify something they never said? I have asked you to justify things you have said and as you can't you fall back on this kindergarden trick. laughable!