Thread: Pracharaj, translation please

I've asked this question over the road , the answers were inclusive , maybe there's some here who can help ?

Pracharaj party leader Sanoh Thienthong ........... cite

The Royal People Party leader, Mr. Snoh Thienthong ............ cite


Royal ?

What's the question mid, royal is hardly an unusual word in a Thai political party name, it means loyal to the King, not sponsored by him.

is the translation accurate is the question ,

I was under the impression that the word Royal was protected .

can you give me some prior examples of Thai political parties with the word Royal in their name pls ?

apologies to all re blue , 'twas unaware thanxs for mentioning it .

hard to help you when all we get is this...

The requested URL /News/07Oct2007_news01.php was not found on this server.

Bkk Post are cvnts...they remove any links after one day to make you subscribe...wankers...

Originally Posted by klongmaster

hard to help you when all we get is this...

The requested URL /News/07Oct2007_news01.php was not found on this server.

Bkk Post are cvnts...they remove any links after one day to make you subscribe...wankers...

try this Daily News

Originally Posted by Mid

What's the question mid, royal is hardly an unusual word in a Thai political party name, it means loyal to the King, not sponsored by him.

is the translation accurate is the question ,

I was under the impression that the word Royal was protected .

can you give me some prior examples of Thai political parties with the word Royal in their name pls ?

apologies to all re blue , 'twas unaware thanxs for mentioning it .

The translation is incorrect. As I said, (after my edit, because I was translating too literally, (from Pali-ish I think), sorry about confusion), it's a Rajasap (royal language) word meaning subjects and not a Thai word. The Thai equivalent is, as far as I know Khon Pandaen, "People of the Reign". You cannot claim to be sponsored or approved of by the King but it is allowed to use words referring to Royalty if they're appropriate.

The 2bangkok/Daily News link is supposed to be a little humorous and looking for better translations, his translations are based on literal Thai translations in the cases where he doesn't know the real meaning.

allowed to use words referring to Royalty if they're appropriate

here is the meat of the matter .

my contention is that it may be inappropriate ,

my reasoning is that HM represents ALL Thai's , while the said political party does not .

Royal people = subjects. Again "royal people" is a literal translation, another one would be "people of the royal". Look for how the word is actually used rather than a direct literal translation into English. Literal translations between unrelated languages often fail to convey the real meaning, try translating any Thai or Rajasap phrase into it's literal English meaning, the results are often very strange.

Originally Posted by Mid

allowed to use words referring to Royalty if they're appropriate

here is the meat of the matter .

my contention is that it may be inappropriate ,

my reasoning is that HM represents ALL Thai's , while the said political party does not .

This party is calling itself "The party of the King's Subjects". It's an appropriate name - if it wasn't there is absolutely no chance they would have been able to use it.

So you're saying that this party cannot call themselves subjects of the King? Why not?

Definitely NOT what I'm saying ,

we need to revisit the translation again , is the word Royal being used as an adjective ?

if anything , I would suggest that the translation should not have been attempted .

ok thanxs gentlemen , we can put this one to bed .

Thais would not be confused by having the word "Racha" or "Royal" in the political party's name and would not assume that the Royal Family had given imprimature to the political party because of the use of the word "Racha" in the name. Rather, they said, the use of the term would imply a form of เฉลิมพระเกียรติ [cha-lerm prá gìat; note: the roman transcription in thai2english is incorrect] ("[V] to glorify; extol; honor; exalt; celebrate" the King.)

Originally Posted by Mid

So you're saying that this party cannot call themselves subjects of the King? Why not?

Definitely NOT what I'm saying ,

we need to revisit the translation again , is the word Royal being used as an adjective ?

if anything , I would suggest that the translation should not have been attempted .

Correct. Their translation was made without taking into account that the English language is structured in such a way that the reader would assume that the party was claiming some kind of royal sponsorship. In Rajasap the meaning of the word is clear and precise but unfortunately the translation left itself open to too many interpretations by non-speakers.