Thai history??

[Peter47]

Study Thai and Buddhism in Stockholm..
Maybe the right forum to ask but i give it a go
Realy like to get my hands on a good book about Thai history! From when the Thai kingdom started with The Thai, Khemer and the other ones who I forgot the name of. To this day or something like this Anyone got a idea? Whould be greatfull for answer or an adress online were i can buy it Cheers /Peter

[khmen]

"A History of Thailand" by Chris Baker and Pasuk Pongpaichit. It's the only book I've read that is specifically about Thai history, so have nothing to compare it to but it's quite good.

A History of Thailand: Amazon.co.uk: Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit: Books

[Peter47]

"A History of Thailand" by Chris Baker and Pasuk Pongpaichit. It's the only book I've read that is specifically about Thai history, so have nothing to compare it to but it's quite good.

A History of Thailand: Amazon.co.uk: Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit: Books

I have a look! Cheers

[sabang]

Thai history as taught in Thailand would be more accurately termed hagiography.
I can't help on specific references, but the best sources would almost certainly not be Thai authored.

[OhOh]

Try Here.

https://teakdoor.com/arts-and-enterta...r-library.html

[CaptainNemo]

The Thais haven't got any history - they nicked it from everyone else (mainly the Khmers).

[Simon43]

This was one of my course books:

Thailand: A Short History by David K. Wyatt (Dec 1, 2003)

Simon

[BugginOut]

Study Thai and Buddhism in Stockholm..
Maybe the right forum to ask but i give it a go
Realy like to get my hands on a good book about Thai history! From when the Thai kingdom started with The Thai, Khemer and the other ones who I forgot the name of. To this day or something like this Anyone got a idea? Whould be greatfull for answer or an adress online were i can buy it Cheers /Peter

Have you found anything in the university library(-ies)? If you're 'studying' Thai and Buddhism in Stockholm, surely one of your professors could point you in the right direction instead of a forum full of drunk and surly whore-mongering pensioners.

[SandMike]

^

Excuse me ......

Less of the insinuations about being of pensionable age if you don't mind ..

As to your other accusations,

Guilty as charged, M'lud

[Rural Surin]

"A History of Thailand" by Chris Baker and Pasuk Pongpaichit. It's the only book I've read that is specifically about Thai history, so have nothing to compare it to but it's quite good.

A History of Thailand: Amazon.co.uk: Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit: Books

Both of these well qualified and distinguished scholars of Thai affairs and history could have done much better with this volume. A decent and alternative tome [albeit brief], could have been more heavily laced with truths, critiques, and the odd challenge from convention.

[Rural Surin]

The Thais haven't got any history - they nicked it from everyone else (mainly the Khmers).

....and then rewritten by Farang to set their image.

[Carrabow]

Would anyone know of some good information I can get my hands on from 1100 - 1400 AD? This is the time period I would like to read up on.

[Peter47]

Thai history as taught in Thailand would be more accurately termed hagiography.
I can't help on specific references, but the best sources would almost certainly not be Thai authored.

Think you are right on there. Only find english ones. And one thai/engling athors but aperently this one are baned in thailand...

[Peter47]

"A History of Thailand" by Chris Baker and Pasuk Pongpaichit. It's the only book I've read that is specifically about Thai history, so have nothing to compare it to but it's quite good.

A History of Thailand: Amazon.co.uk: Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit: Books

Both of these well qualified and distinguished scholars of Thai affairs and history could have done much better with this volume. A decent and alternative tome [albeit brief], could have been more heavily laced with truths, critiques, and the odd challenge from convention.

But do this one take up the history from the start of the making of siam? Or is this later on?

[Peter47]

Try Here.

https://teakdoor.com/arts-and-enterta...r-library.html

Cheers. Find 2 i like there
The Wind Will Yet Sing and Legitimacy Crisis in Thailand

[CaptainNemo]

The Thais haven't got any history - they nicked it from everyone else (mainly the Khmers).

....and then rewritten by Farang to set their image.

I think they conspired with that quite willingly, and have got a national brand as distinctive, and on balance, as positive, as Japan's.

[OhOh]

EAST OF SIAM
Ramblings in the Five Divisions of French Indo-China
by
HARRY A. FRANCK
1939

An illustrated book recording the travels of an American in French Indo China after the first world war

It is a pdf file of 15mb

www.reninc.org/BOOKSHELF/East_of_Siam_Franck.pdf

[OhOh]

THE LAND OF THE WHITE ELEPHANT

Frank Vincent

Sights and scenes in South east Asia. A personal narrative of travel and adventure in Farther India - embracing the countries of Burma, Siam, Cambodia and Cochin-China. 1871-1872

http://www.reninc.org/BOOKSHELF/Land...nt_Vincent.pdf

21Mb pdf file

[Rural Surin]

Thai history as taught in Thailand would be more accurately termed hagiography.
I can't help on specific references, but the best sources would almost certainly not be Thai authored.

Think you are right on there. Only find english ones. And one thai/engling athors but aperently this one are baned in thailand...

On the contrary, gentlemen. There is a wealth of Thai-language historic material available and a percentage of it quite brilliant [by any measure] and some work bland. Thai historic material and resources are indeed plentiful if one knows how to retreive specific literary work.

Even if one isn't endowed with Thai language or Thai inspired historic literature, one will be able to find quite adequate reading from the usual, less sanitised, and controversial circles....

As any historic relevance might be, the best will originate from those that take a different tact from the predictable models [and how we usually absorb historiography], challenging the status quo and inducing a broader curiosity - going out on a limb with alternative insights. Scrounging up lost, hidden, covered-up, and deliberately omitted tidbits.

[Hunter28]

I'll get slated for this, but I found the "The English Governess at the Siamese Court (1870)" by Anna Leon Owens to be the least biased of all the histories of early Thailand. There's a lot of really interesting stuff about how the Thai kingdoms evolved and everyday life in 19th century Bangkok. Thais are very funny about their history and seem to randomly disown whichever parts of it they don't like the sound of, so never ask a Thai about Thailand if you want to get at the truth or anywhere near it. I use the Google Books downloader for texts on Google.

[Rural Surin]

I'll get slated for this, but I found the "The English Governess at the Siamese Court (1870)" by Anna Leon Owens to be the least biased of all the histories of early Thailand. There's a lot of really interesting stuff about how the Thai kingdoms evolved and everyday life in 19th century Bangkok. Thais are very funny about their history and seem to randomly disown whichever parts of it they don't like the sound of, so never ask a Thai about Thailand if you want to get at the truth or anywhere near it. I use the Google Books downloader for texts on Google.

I hope you realize that there has been long and suspiscious arguement that any and every memoir [and reference] deriving from the Anna Leonowens circles is too be taken with a grain of salt.

As for a general reference [and sources] regarding early Siam - there is much better and honest material to be found.

[nidhogg]

As for a general reference [and sources] regarding early Siam - there is much better and honest material to be found.

Then stop being such an arsehole and give some references or direct links to the material that you think is more honest/better/more accurate.

[Bogon]

^ I will try asking a bit more politley than nidhogg.

Is there any chance you could post any links, references or sources to any relevant material that you are aware of?
Sounds an interesting subject and well worth researching from an unbiased point of view.

Thanks in advance.

[FarangRed]

Any books about all the scandal always makes good reading

[khmen]

Both of these well qualified and distinguished scholars of Thai affairs and history could have done much better with this volume. A decent and alternative tome [albeit brief], could have been more heavily laced with truths, critiques, and the odd challenge from convention.

Then stop being such an arsehole and give some references or direct links to the material that you think is more honest/better/more accurate.

Exactly.