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    seems we are all a bunch of busted up old bastards, last time i got the nasty attack, all i did, was bend over to put the bloody toaster away, 6 weeks laid up, anti inflametorys and visits to the back cracker, stetching at the onset of the attack is way easier said than done, i tried that and it took me nearly 6 hours to get of the floor had to phone a mate to come pick me up, so yea mate find out the source of the injury first and good luck with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong View Post

    Of course the solution to your problem is unique to you, but my feeling is that I created my problem with a long period of physical inactivity before taking on a huge physical activity.

    Johnny gets the Jersey for the most correct diagnosis of our back problems.

    In most cases we damage our backs because our core muscles (stomach) become weak through inactivity, sitting on ones arse in front of the computer for most of the day is a disaster waiting to happen as you lose all strength in the muscles that support our back.

    One has to do very little to do a back injury once this happens, bending down picking up a pen can do it.

    Do your self a favor, limit your time sitting on your arse doing computer shite and start to get pro active once you recover.

    Start back strengthening exercises, stretching and walking regularly, you'll feel so much better for it and hopefully cure your back problems once and for all.

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    This is all very interesting thanks. Thanks for the stretching ideas as well Mr Stretch (love the name!)

    As for this thing about being active and not being active etc is interesting.

    4 months ago I decided to get fit and went from a coach potato to a .... well I wish i could say a lean mean fighting machine but if I was being honest I went to someone who could go for a longish jog without dying, do 50 push up and 100 sit ups without feeling sore for a week etc etc. I saw great changes and was really happy with what I achieved. 1 week before leaving NZ I stopped due to packing up the house, moving house, travelling etc and then never started here in Thailand due to a few reasons. In 4 weeks away from the exercise I was amazed as to how quickly I lost my fitness as well as a few muscles that I had finally managed to rediscover and then of course this problem happened.
    I can't wait to get back on the running track again and regain what I lost, hopefully it isn't too far away.
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    Get well soon MeMock!!

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    Glad you're feeling a bit better, MeM. Still, I would follow Ter's recommendation and get it scanned.
    The drugs help, but may just be masking the root cause. Acupuncture never worked for me, but one friend who practised Hanna Somatics did wonder for me and others -- manipulating the muscles to put them back in place which then puts the bones back in place. Doubt anyone does it there, sorry, but they have some simple yoga-like exercises that help keep you limber (do them in bed in the morning!). I also checked up on acupressure you can do yourself when one Bil got sciatica. Might help. Sorry, can't find a site on the net.
    Here's some somatics light exercises (start from about minute 3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedwalk View Post
    seems we are all a bunch of busted up old bastards,
    I'm only 32

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    Thanks Jet, I am still seriously considering a scan as I think i got a bit ahead of myself yesterday as this morning the pain has increased again. Not quite back to what it was but a lot worse then yesterday. If I do make it to a hospital i Ubon what type of scan should I be requesting again?

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    Been there, done it too... I use an ice pack on my lower back for 20 - 30 minutes, 2 - 3 times a day, or until I start getting relief... You have a hot nerve and the ice will numb it and cause it to shrink...

    Moderate exercise and stretching help with a pulled muscle, but not for a pinched nerve...
    Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock View Post
    Thanks Jet, I am still seriously considering a scan as I think i got a bit ahead of myself yesterday as this morning the pain has increased again. Not quite back to what it was but a lot worse then yesterday. If I do make it to a hospital i Ubon what type of scan should I be requesting again?
    Bladdy hell, you're only 32 and you got sciatica? I should fly over and punch you in the nose for not taking care of yourself.
    The doc should know but probably a CAT or MRI scan. Then see what he says about treatment.
    Then you must do some gentle yoga-like exercises (like showed in that vid) to get things right. Ice packs and heat packs also help, as mentioned above.
    Bladdy men! And once you're set right, get back on that exercise programme and don't forget to eat right.
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    Oh, if you can't get those ice packs, wash and wring out some wash cloths or tea towels. roll them up and stick them in the freezer.
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    Hi everyone,

    I need your help again.

    I am in Ubon after a torturous 2 hour car ride. We had friends visiting and they offered to take me and as I hadn't improved at all I thought time to bite the bullet and get some professional advice.

    My daughter also needed some medical attention so off we went.

    The first hospital said that they had no specialists available until Monday and the second one said the same but this time, not until Wednesday. I also stormed out of the 2nd hospital after the worst service I have ever had from a Dr anywhere in regards to my daughters problem so will not be going back there.

    I still am not sure excately what help I need, except that I need help and I need it now as I cannot continue my life like this.

    My family have gone back home and I am checked into a hotel trying to make up my mind whether to wait until Monday with the hope that I will get to see someone who knows what they are talking about or jump a plane tomorrow to Bangkok to seek what I would assume is better medical help. I have no idea where I should go if I did go to Bangkok.

    I have 1 change of clothes, my wallet and a computer.

    Any thoughts?

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    MeMock, you mentioned that you used Ibuprofen in the past. What strength were the tabs?

    Ibuprofen 400mg, taken x2, every 3-4 hours for a few days, with a taper-off after the inflammation begins to subside, has worked for me many times in the past.

    I found that climbing on/off a bicycle, or motorcycle, was what gave m a lot of difficulties. The Ibuprofen assists to get the inflammation down far-enough so that you can begin walking properly. Often, we tend to compensate with a bit of a limp, with such injuries. This limp action can generate its own problems.

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    Hi Diaw,

    Yes i was on Ibufrofen for the last week having 1 tablet 3 times aday and for the last few days at the recommendation of Cimboc I was having 2 tablets 3 times a day and then today tapered off to 1, 3 times a day.

    I ran out of the first lot so got some more which I was told are stronger. I just checked however and have noticed that they arent Ibufrofen but something called Buflex 400 ( I had one this morning and one just now)

    I have also been taking for the last 5 days Ponstan 500, 1 tablet 3 x a day.

    I am also taking

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    From my own experiences, I would avoind Bumrungrad & Samitivej as they can't diagnose for shit.

    Rama 9 hospital has been very good to me, so I'd say try there first.

    Give me a call if you want me to hold your hand, but you will find most hospitals running on skeleton staff on Sundays.

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    MeMock, I'm not sure how much of an anti-inflammatory action Ponstan have. Thy are one up from Paracetamol, in terms of pain relief for headaches & so forth.

    Let me check & come back to you.

    The trick is to attack the inflammation hard in the first few days - with high dosage if necessary, & then to cut back as you get things under control. Be careful to eat properly if taking very high dosages of anti-inflammatories.

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    Looks like it should do the trick as well as Ibuprofen.

    3M have a good muscle relaxant as well - sounding something similar to your Bruflex - name escapes me at the moment. It is also quite useful in parallel with the anti-inflammatory.

    These types of injury can take a long time to heal - sometimes up to a month, or so. Take it easy & at some point you'll forget about it.

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    ^^^^^
    Don't take any Valium...for sure.

    When I broke my neck, I was stuck in Singapore General Hospital (the old one) and they pumped me full of Valium & Demoral. Worst shit I've ever had. Finally, one of the nurses got me in touch with an accupuncturist and I was off the drugs straight-away.

    So, recommendations on what to do? If that upcountry doctor can't come though, I'd get myself down to Bangkok pronto and get some better help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja View Post
    Ponstan
    These types of injury can take a long time to heal - sometimes up to a month, or so. Take it easy & at some point you'll forget about it.
    Pretty optimistic I like mine to last a month and a half

    There's no real cure for it. The doc told me to just keep moving and take Ibuprofen and Ponstan. It's been 2 years since the last time.

    I don't know if Vioxx has been mentioned as I haven't read the whole thread (I know how it feels just too well) but be careful with this stuff. I've taken it and it helps to kill the pain but it can also cause a heart attack.

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    Total sympathy for you Memock, it makes you feel like a very old man before your time. I got it in my late twenties from humping a heavy golf bag after doing night shifts.

    It will come back if I don't get enough sleep.

    Tel's advice is good.
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    Thanks Marmers for the kind offer.

    Thanks Diaw for your help.

    Bios, I read what you wrote and think to myself, maybe I should wait a little longer but my patience has run out ( 4 weeks). I guess I don't even know if there is any specialist out there who can help me but I can't lay about at home waiting I guess.

    Last night I met a westerner at the wrong way cafe who said his wife has the same thing and had been going to a chiropracter. The local hospitals had told me there wern't any so he actually drove me to the place to show me where it was and I will go down there later today to heck it out.

    Charley Farley, you really shouldn't hump golf bags but I am sure you Mum has already told you that! You said Tel's advice is good, who is Tel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock View Post
    Thanks Marmers for the kind offer.

    Thanks Diaw for your help.

    Bios, I read what you wrote and think to myself, maybe I should wait a little longer but my patience has run out ( 4 weeks). I guess I don't even know if there is any specialist out there who can help me but I can't lay about at home waiting I guess.

    Last night I met a westerner at the wrong way cafe who said his wife has the same thing and had been going to a chiropracter. The local hospitals had told me there wern't any so he actually drove me to the place to show me where it was and I will go down there later today to heck it out.

    Charley Farley, you really shouldn't hump golf bags but I am sure you Mum has already told you that! You said Tel's advice is good, who is Tel?
    All the best. Whatever helps to get rid of that nasty pain. It ceases slowly, to me it was 'damn, I think I slept last night, what happened?'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock View Post
    Great info, thanks EB.

    I will try and get someone when they next go to town to get me some Ponstan, and a chair (we have just moved in and still don't have any furniture!)
    I have some balm already so will increase that.

    Who would have thought it would be so hard to find a chiropractors details online for Ubon. Should I just turn up at a private hospital and assume that they would have one on staff?

    Chiropractors are a Western invention, so the hospitals do not normally have one

    I had a back problem and the hospital gave me hot compresses at first, together with anti-inflammatory drugs. This was to improve the blood circulation and reduce the swelling

    after three days, they put cold compresses for half an hour then put me in traction; this eased the pressure on the nerve


    it seemed to work Ok, but a chiro is quicker although much more expensive
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharleyFarley View Post
    Total sympathy for you Memock, it makes you feel like a very old man before your time. I got it in my late twenties from humping

    me too, but she was worth it

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    Today, Monday, or next week? If today, wait and see the other doc. Next week, get pain killers and picnic in the hotel?

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    Today it was Jet.

    So I took a tuk tuk to the hospital - talk about pain!

    Had 2 xrays done. The Dr said it looks like one of my vertebras has moved, I think he said 'S1' or something like that. The hospital doesn't have a Chiropractor but he suggested pysio which would involve a week long stay with them putting weights on my lower back to stretch my spine out. They would know after three days if it was working and if so continue for a week or if it wasn't helping then some kind epidural needle of sorts.
    I asked about a chiropracter and he thought that it may work but couldn't be sure so I decided to take my xrays and go back to this clinic place that I mentioned before that I was told about 2 nights ago.

    Suffed If I was taking another tuk tuk so took a songtaew which was much better as I could stand up. Eventually found the place only for it to have a sign saying that it wont be open until 4.30pm tomorrow! Looks like at least another 2 nights here.

    The worst thing about today is that when I got back to the hotel just now I only seem to have 1 xray in my envelope. I have asked my wife to call the hospital to see if they have it, if not it must have fallen out somewhere.

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