Thread: Fasting

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Originally Posted by Cujo

Dunno who said this first, but," A wise man examines his own shit".

'FIRST'? No one ever said that I'm certain.

Originally Posted by ENT

Yup, long term fasting's a masochistic enterprise.

Disagree. It's purpose can be for losing or controlling weight, detox and developing self-discipline or any combo of the three, including all three.

Length wise, I've never been in the mountains for longer than 4 weeks and it's always been relatively easy to get back into the gym afterwards. Of course, it was a hell of a lot easier running than before I had left. Lifting was always a chore getting back up to speed. This time I'll have to start from scratch, as far as running goes, also. This is in the back of mind and coming to the fore. I don't have to lose any more weight and I believed I've regained self-discipline, by which I mean mind over body. The only goal I have left is loss of all belly fat but I'm more than willing to stop fasting now bc I know from experience running will also get rid of it. Also, did you see loss of belly fat listed as one of the three purposes of long term fasting?

What about when your asshole siezes up from lack of use and you need to use it after you break the fast?
Whaddaya gonna do then eh?

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about when your asshole siezes up from lack of use and you need to use it after you break the fast?
Whaddaya gonna do then eh?

No problem,
He is only fasting, his boyfriend is still around.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about when your asshole siezes up from lack of use and you need to use it after you break the fast?
Whaddaya gonna do then eh?

No problem,
He is only fasting, his boyfriend is still around.

But the thread's titled "fasting", not "fisting".....

Originally Posted by wjblaney

The nurse called it normal and although she used to call it normal before, it was always at the high end of normal and one time it was slightly higher than normal.

She is only there to make business for the doc. Not ure health.

Flesh market. They figure you could fcuk up but keeping quiet about it until a major screw-up which will cost mega bucks to put right.

Probably thinking a sandwich short of a picnic basket is the least of their concerns in your case.
With more business coming their way. Just have to be patient.
Trust em at your peril.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

One thing that's dropped too much is my blood oxygen level as proven when I ran 10 ft to the elevator to catch the elevator and the guy said "Why are you out of breath?"

P.S. My blood oxygen level is not as low as it gets in the mountains but I haven't had the nurse comment on it ever and I always make sure I see it too. But if she does or it's 85/100 or lower, I will also tell the doctor and, if he advises me to stop fasting (he prolly will), I will bc it'll mean I'm too weak. (that's never happened to me in the mountains where it is also measured daily but I would go down if it got to below 85/100)

What percent is your blood oxygen level now?

And out of interest how much potassium per day are you consuming while you're fasting?

Regardless of your reasons (weight loss, detox, willpower,) this will all be having a negative effect on the various systems in you body. No matter what you think.
The body requires fuel.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Regardless of your reasons (weight loss, detox, willpower,) this will all be having a negative effect on the various systems in you body. No matter what you think.
The body requires fuel.

No it doesn't, Elvis has not eaten since 1977 and continues to lose weight.

Day 30 has now begun...

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about when your asshole siezes up from lack of use and you need to use it after you break the fast? Whaddaya gonna do then eh?

What do you know about asshole seizures, asshole?

Originally Posted by Iceman123

No problem, He is only fasting, his boyfriend is still around.

Fuck your asshole, too.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

She is only there to make business for the doc. Not ure health.

Doctors included? I agree they try to oversell procedures that you don't need.

That does not include life saving advice.

Originally Posted by Neverna

what percent is your blood oxygen level now?

90/100

Originally Posted by Neverna

And out of interest how much potassium per day are you consuming while you're fasting?

Just what's in a multi-vitamin which I take every day, which I agree, may not be enough. But remember, I break my fast in 24 hours+. The plus is required until I can weigh myself on a scale at the hospital which I can prolly do early. Like in 24 hours exactly if they let me weigh myself in the ER that early. But prolly, not too long after, certainly by 8 AM. I will have to get four 32 oz. bottles (2 each of fresh veggie juice and fruit juice, diluted with 50% water) from the fresh fruit juice stand at the mall tomorrow, if the owner will sell that much even if she loads my containers with the cups she usually sells, but no ice, just half water, half juice. This will be my diet for the first two days of my breakfast, even if I have to buy juice from the cartons in the juice aisles and dilute with water myself.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Regardless of your reasons (weight loss, detox, willpower,) this will all be having a negative effect on the various systems in you body. No matter what you think. The body requires fuel.

Opinion rejected w/o documentation that I have an opportunity to refute.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by ENT

Yup, long term fasting's a masochistic enterprise.

Disagree. It's purpose can be for losing or controlling weight, detox and developing self-discipline or any combo of the three, including all three.

The only goal I have left is loss of all belly fat but I'm more than willing to stop fasting now bc I know from experience running will also get rid of it. Also, did you see loss of belly fat listed as one of the three purposes of long term fasting?

If your goal in a long term water fast is weight loss through metabolization of an excessive accumulation of abdominal fatty tissue, just don't eat carbs. Exercise free.

Unused carbohydrates will metabolize into fat, so an intake/burn off balance of carbs keeps weight gain through stored carbohydrate potential in fats to an optimal minimum.

Weight gain via excess carb and protein intake plus exercise and rest produces muscle, not fat.

There's bugger all you can do through exercise to reduce waist fat.
Belly fat and back fat are the hardest to lose, LDL cholesterol storage along with toxins.

I've found that Vit B3 in high dose (< 6 grams/day) will lower LDL and raise HDL cholesterol resulting in more easily available ATP energy.
Reduces belly and back fat dramatically over a few months.

Up to 40% dietary calorie reduction (includes 30% protein) does the same.

I've found both methods of inducing LDL loss and increasing lean muscle with minimum exercise/burn off along with optimum improved metabolism, slows the aging process and increases well being (immunity and robusticity) and life span.

Eat what you like, as a norm, just stop indulging in carbs or too much protein.

By the way, how's your arse?

Have you had any form of a shit lately? What colour and consistency?

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by Neverna

what percent is your blood oxygen level now?

90/100

A bit low?

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Originally Posted by Neverna

And out of interest how much potassium per day are you consuming while you're fasting?

Just what's in a multi-vitamin which I take every day, which I agree, may not be enough.

That is nowhere near enough. Some multivitamins don't contain any potassium at all whereas others provide a tiny amount. For example, Centrum Men doesn't contain any potassium. Centrum Performance contains only 80mg.

US guidelines say adults should consume 4.7g a day (4,700mg)
UK guidelines say 3.5g a day.

After 4 weeks of a water fast, you could have seriously low levels of potassium in your body. Look up the importance of it to your diet, your body, your blood - and your heart! And ask your doctor to check your blood potassium levels.

Small changes in the level of potassium that is present outside the cells can have severe effects on the heart, nerves, and muscles.

Potassium is important to maintain several bodily functions:
Muscles need potassium to contract.
The heart muscle needs potassium to beat properly and regulate blood pressure.

Low Potassium: Facts About Symptoms, Diet, Foods, and Causes

Low potassium (hypokalemia) refers to a lower than normal potassium level in your bloodstream. Potassium is a chemical (electrolyte) that is critical to the proper functioning of nerve and muscles cells, particularly heart muscle cells.

Normally, your blood potassium level is 3.6 to 5.2 millimoles per liter (mmol/L). A very low potassium level (less than 2.5 mmol/L) can be life-threatening and requires urgent medical attention.

Low potassium (hypokalemia) - Mayo Clinic

Originally Posted by ENT

Have you had any form of a shit lately? What colour and consistency

Well this is what a 4 day beer fast looks like

Originally Posted by ENT

If your goal in a long term water fast is weight loss through metabolization of an excessive accumulation of abdominal fatty tissue, just don't ieat carbs. Exercise free.

Heh, heh. Basically, exercise is my form of meditation and a way to feel good.

Originally Posted by ENT

Weight gain via excess carb and protein intake plus exercise and rest produces muscle, not fat.

And is also true for me. I don't know what gave you the idea I've never gained lean muscle mass.

Originally Posted by ENT

Belly fat and back fat are the hardest to lose, LDL cholesterol storage along with toxins.

Belly fat and butt fat are the hardest to lose. My back is lean and strong.

Originally Posted by ENT

Eat what you like, as a norm, just stop indulging in carbs or too much protein.

Impossible to maintain an 'eat what I like, when I like diet' bc of my addictive and, therefore, self-destructive personality. That is, cheat days start getting out of my control. I need a much more disciplined diet plan.

Originally Posted by ENT

By the way, how's your arse?

Perfect, except for a rash which hasn't come under control following the dermatologist's first prescription. Although, she told me to use the prescribed OTC topical cream for 3 weeks and it's only been 2 so far, the progress, if any, doesn't seem to fit the Bill (pun).

Originally Posted by ENT

Have you had any form of a shit lately? What colour and consistency?

No shits after the first two weeks which I'm very happy about, given that I haven't consumed any calories in over 4 weeks.

Originally Posted by Neverna

A bit low?

Did I say 90/100? I meant 90/60!

Originally Posted by Neverna

That is nowhere near enough. Some multivitamins don't contain any potassium at all whereas others provide a tiny amount. For example, Centrum Men doesn't contain any potassium. Centrum Performance contains only 80mg. US guidelines say adults should consume 4.7g a day (4,700mg) UK guidelines say 3.5g a day. After 4 weeks of a water fast, you could have seriously low levels of potassium in your body. Look up the importance of it to your diet, your body, your blood - and your heart! And ask your doctor to check your blood potassium levels.

Don't bananas, as well as beans, dark leafy greens, yogurt, fish, avocados and mushrooms, have a lot of potassium? They're a big part of my normal diet and I'll start eating them in 3 days.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Regardless of your reasons (weight loss, detox, willpower,) this will all be having a negative effect on the various systems in you body. No matter what you think. The body requires fuel.

Cujo, I want to give you a clearer and less sharped-tongued reply to this post but in addition to my earlier ones, so we don't start another cat fight (see Davis Knowlton).

These three reasons will be my lifestyle from now on because forced early retirement (age 62) was unfair, unbalanced, ageist, and took 8 active hours out of my weekday day. Being able to afford only TH from then on and as it is way to hot to do much of anything else other than those 3 things from day to day, I refuse to live the sedimentary lifestyle. Incorporating fasting into my lifestyle lets me stay inside while staying in shape. And, if not mentioned yet, I won't wait for a long fast to be necessary again. And you can look on bodybuilding.com to find how 2 and 3 day fasts can regularly be incorporated into any kind of exercise program you want.

Intermittent Fasting: Science And Supplementation

Originally Posted by ENT

weight loss through metabolization of an excessive accumulation of abdominal fatty tissue

You.

Can.

Not.

Spot.

Lose.

Fat.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

until I can weigh myself on a scale at the hospital

You don't have scales at home?
I'd have thought for a exercise like this it'd be essential.
I'd be weighing myself hourly.

^^ We know that. So what's your point? As I said, "There's bugger all you can do through exercise to reduce waist fat."

Reducing carb intake to a necessary minimum results in less carbs stored as fat.

Unless you've got a genetic problem or are diabetic, belly fat's the result of a lazy life-style spent consuming excess carbs, probably your problem Aunty.

Have to get down to the opticians...Thought it was a fisting thread!

Originally Posted by Cujo

You don't have scales at home?

I never used to weigh myself often. So I walk across the mall to its 1 baht digital scale.

Then, low and behold, the last time I weighed myself first at the hospital (which is a much longer walk) and then again at the mall on the way home and the hospital's scale had me at an exact .5 kg lower. That's a pretty major difference over time.

I will weigh myself on both scales again on July 4, when I have another appt. at the hospital. If it's consistent, I'll simply subtract a half a kg from the mall's scale weight every time in the future.

Originally Posted by Cujo

I'd be weighing myself hourly.

Oh no, likesay, I always used to weigh myself randomly before. From now on, it will only be once a day at the same time to get an get accurate daily weight gain, esp. for the first month. That's when the rapid weight gain should occur.

Originally Posted by ENT

Have you had any form of a shit lately? What colour and consistency?

Just filled my fridge with my complete food allowance for the next two days. This is when you should stay closest to the toilet, I'm told, because your digestive system will be in shock.

What's on the menu?

Both days:
1. 64 ozs. of fresh veggies diluted with 50% water.
2. 64 ozs. of fresh fruit diluted with 50% water.
Sounds like plenty to me. Maybe too much but I can always keep it fresh for 2 more days.

I have to go back to Tops for days 3 and 4 but they will deliver from my manager's office, if I think I'll shit myself.

Whats on the menu for days 3 and 4?

Both days:
1. raw fruit: most easily digestible are bananas, papayas and melons, such as watermelon, honeydew or cantaloupe. Mangoes are my favorite fruit.
2. raw vegetables: most easily digestible are green peppers, romaine lettuce, tomatoes, onions, zucchini and cucumber. I'm tempted to make a salad with plain yougurt dressing.

Anything from the following list would be acceptable during the first 4 days. But I'm sure I'm going to stick with juice only on the first two days. Secondly, I'll be very careful not to overeat, although it's a joy to know I can eat as often as every 2 hours.

• fruit and vegetable juices
• raw fruits
• vegetable broth
• yogurt, unsweetened
• lettuces and spinach (can use plain yogurt as a dressing and top with fresh fruit)
• cooked vegetables and vegetable soups
• raw vegetables
• grains, beans, nuts and seeds
• eggs

Most of the food on that list I'll leave until day 5 when I can have a fully normal diet. Esp. grains, which for me is whole grain cereal with 14-15 grams of fiber so it's still low carb. Also, whole grain wheat or wholemeal bread for practically oil free peanut butter and pure jam sandwiches. And I will add a pure vinaigrette salad dressing (2 parts oil, 1 part vinegar, brown mustard to taste and shake) in place of yogurt as well as a fruity yogurt to mix with whey protein shakes or by itself. This is just from day 5 on.

I'd be wary of eating any grains, nuts etc in the first few days, they're harder to digest and can clog up your colon as well as any starches can.

Originally Posted by ENT

I'd be wary of eating any grains, nuts etc in the first few days, they're harder to digest and can clog up your colon as well as any starches can.

That's what I said but it was advice given on the Internet: Guidelines for Breaking a Fast | AllAboutFasting