Thread: Fasting

A white coating on the tongue may be from either poor digestion or even thrush.

If I eat processed food or even drink an instant coffee, I end up with a white coated tongue.

The dizziness from low blood pressure sounds right.

A spliff will do that for ya....

Welcome to Day 28...4 weeks, now...

Got a new workout split figured out:

Mon.
Back, traps and arms
1. Pull-downs
2. T-bar rows
3. Seated rows (3)
4. Dead lifts
5. Close grip dips – triceps
6. Military press - pecs, deltoids, traps
7. Dumb bell bent over row – biceps, traps
8. Barbell upright row – traps, deltoids, biceps, glutes
9. Pull ups

Tue.
Cardio

Wed.
Chest & shoulders
1. Dumb bell flat bench press
2. Dumb bell shoulder press
3. Dumb bell incline bench press
4. Wide grip dips
5. Pushups
6. Machine shoulder press
7. Lateral raise machine
8. Stand-up heels clicked military press
9.Lateral Dumb bell raises (3)

Thur.
Cardio

Fri.
Legs
1. Squats
2. Lunges (starting position: genuflection between 2 dumb bells)
3. Leg press
4. Calf raises
5. Fitness ball hip raise and curl(replaces leg curl machine)
6. Machine squat
7. Hack squat – quadriceps
8. Dead lifts
9. Good Morning – posterior chain

Sat.
Cardio or rest

Sun.
Rest

Originally Posted by ENT

A white coating on the tongue may be from either poor digestion or even thrush. If I eat processed food or even drink an instant coffee, I end up with a white coated tongue.

A simple brushing of the tongue along with the teeth got rid of it last night, followed by a mouthwash (which I could tell I should have been doing along with brushing since a long time ago) and the white tongue didn't reappear yet. HA, HA!

Originally Posted by ENT

The dizziness from low blood pressure sounds right. A spliff will do that for ya....

Not in LOS, my friend...

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Welcome to Day 28...4 weeks, now...

Yeah, and the best news or worst (I'll give you a reason for each) is that I will try not to stop until I feel true hunger, even if that's past the point where I have stopped losing weight. The good news is, there's an agreed-upon stop date. The bad news is the exception to that rule: if you feel strong enough to stop when you want. As indicated by my dizziness, I don't think so. I may use that as an excuse, however.

BTW, I've been saying 160 lbs was my set point in 1980. I think now that was after I had stopped fasting and gained enough weight back to look and feel normal. In other words, I think I got down to 150 lbs before I stopped losing weight. I may be wrong about that. We'll see.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Yeah, and the best news or worst (I'll give you a reason for each) is that I will try not to stop until I feel true hunger, even if that's past the point where I have stopped losing weight. The good news is, there's an agreed-upon stop date. The bad news is the exception to that rule: if you feel strong enough to stop when you want. As indicated by my dizziness, I don't think so. I may use that as an excuse, however.

Are you saying you will continue to fast (indefinitely) until you feel "true hunger"? (possibly 6 months or a year, for example?) and maybe even beyond that?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Are you saying you will continue to fast (indefinitely) until you feel "true hunger"? (possibly 6 months or a year, for example?) and maybe even beyond that?

Oh no! I'll be continuing to weaken, I figure, which will only make it much harder to get into fighting condition. My only goal for this fast is to get rid of my belly fat. I think I have a real chance of doing that as it's the only fat left to lose. As to how long that should take, I don't know. I do know, through experience, that when I have set a goal, 9/10 times I'll reach it.

Originally Posted by wjblaney

Another example, yesterday I scrambled 10 ft or so to catch the elevator in my condo building and the guy in the elevator, whom I had never met before, frankly said "Why are you ought of breath?". But when I said I was 25 days into a water fast, he goes "Wow!". Real nice for the ego.

The fast is having an effect on your memory, yesterday was day 27.

Originally Posted by Iceman123

The fast is having an effect on your memory, yesterday was day 27.

I'd forgotten he was committing slow suicide. No wonder his posts on a variety of threads have been weirder than usual.

Took Bobby Sands 66 days to accomplish the mission.

^ Not a bad first round on the golf course...

Originally Posted by Iceman123

The fast is having an effect on your memory, yesterday was day 27.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I'd forgotten he was committing slow suicide. No wonder his posts on a variety of threads have been weirder than usual. Took Bobby Sands 66 days to accomplish the mission.

Yeah, Davis, I saw the movie Hunger starring Michael Fassbender, who is my favorite actor currently and I don't doubt that the portrayal was accurate.

But he was emaciated and undernourished to begin with, had already finished one long fast as well. But my physical condition has not deteriorated in 4 weeks. It's also called a detox fast and one of the first physical effects is supposed to be a white coating on the tongue, which I just noticed last night for the first time and only at the back and sides of the tongue and easily brushed off with a toothbrush and toothpaste. I didn't realize there is something called a tongue scraper to do the job. So, physically, it's doing me much more good than harm and I've told the doctor why I was asking for an enema and told him why and how long the fast had been. He wasn't concerned in the least. (That's been in the last week.) I didn't get an enema either after waiting 3 hours for a room to become available. I'm sure there's no need now. There has been a huge drop in my blood pressure to 90/60 which is causing dizziness when I get up from lying down but the nurse just smiled more than usual bc it used to be borderline normal on the high side. She called my blood pressure normal too. I'm really happy with results so far which includes a loss of body fat. Of course, I've lost a lot of weight (prolly 20 lbs and I'm now down to 166 lbs. My height is 6'1"), and some of that has been lean muscle. But have been really pleasantly surprised that my physical size doesn't seem to have gotten smaller, just skinnier, which is why I wanted to lose weight overall. But I've also started to lose belly fat in the last couple of days, which is my major goal now.

About my posts on other threads: I'll accept "weirder" as a valid value judgement bc a water fast takes 100% concentration on staying full on only water. But it works! (I guess that should be obvious.) It really is irritating feeling hungry. (Since starting this reply I've drunk 64 ozs.) But I have not suffered any of all the other horrible side effects of a detox fast, mostly having to do with BMs. Therefore, when feeling full I am really satisfied with the results. ALSO, if you read most of my other posts on this thread, you'll notice they are more "wordier" than "weirder".

Good luck in your endeavors. I know supporting and raising a family with the mother of your kids is a very difficult and noble achievement. Respect.

I understand all too well significant weight loss. Several years ago, I dropped from my normal weight of 180lbs to 124lbs in six months. The impact on your mind and body isn't pretty.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I understand all too well significant weight loss. Several years ago, I dropped from my normal weight of 180lbs to 124lbs in six months. The impact on your mind and body isn't pretty.

If you lose weight too fast the impact on your body can be pretty ugly actually. If you expect showing your new body on the beach after dropping your excess weight, just forget about it. You will need first to undergo plastic surgery to get rid of your loose skin.

There's a correlation between how quickly one loses weight and the amount of loose skin they end up with. In order to lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit. The deficit should be reasonable and you shouldn't lose more than one to two pounds per week.

Mine wasn't by choice at all. 180lbs is my norm. The weight loss was due to recovery problems from major stomach surgery, which ultimately resulted in a stroke.

^Stroke knocked my bowels back in line, after six months of 10-20 bowel movements a day.

Then a few years of hard work to recover from the stroke. All good now.

Originally Posted by Perota

Fasting, weight lifting, what is wrong with you ? This is the kind of self image problems usually associated with teenage girls.

You make a good point about image problems. My mother, who is a saint, God bless her soul, used to say: "Look at yourself once in the mirror before you go out." Get it? My brother, 6 years older, was in perfect condition at age 19 from just playing sports, especially surfing. He told me once weight lifting (I'm pretty sure he didn't say 'body building' bc this was 1963) was 'narcissistic'. And I fully believed that then. When I was 19, I was in good shape too, from beach sports and running from the cops. I had also played baseball in the the summer and football in the fall throughout high school.

Currently, I can't stand watching footballers on TV showing off their abs and especially all the young Thais in the gym doing the same thing and staring in the mirror and making sure everyone else sees how cut their skinny abs are. It's like fighting words to me. That's why strength training is so important for me. I want my muscles to be able to do what they were meant to do in the first place.

About loose skin, I'm not worried about that. My overall weight loss has only been 20 lbs down from 185 lbs. and I'd be satisfied with anything from there up to a 30 lb loss.

About weight lifting and fasting, what is wrong with YOU? I fasted 23 hours a day for 33 years and lifted weights and did cardio for 2 hours 5-6 days week. I could run 40 miles a week in 6.5 hours on a treadmill a couple of months ago. I LOVE weight training, OK? It was when I gave up the daily fast 3 years ago and then recently would work out only 3 days a week and sometimes for an hour or less that my self-discipline started yo-yoing. It all came to a head when I was forced out of the gym from two consecutive injuries (one upper body, one lower body) for 6 out of the 9 weeks just prior to this fast with no 23 hour daily fast to keep my weight down, that my self-discipline was shot. And it wasn't until I was 1 week into the fast that I realized I was in denial also. So ONE thing I know is that the self-discipline is coming back and that is all that matters.

So self-discipline is what this fast is all about. Trust.

Originally Posted by Perota

[ In order to lose weight, you must create a calorie deficit. The deficit should be reasonable and you shouldn't lose more than one to two pounds per week.

Spot on.

Two or three ounces a day gain or loss, just over a pound a week for a 11 stone man is about right.

Day 29...Keep on rolling...Into the 5th week, now...

Originally Posted by ENT

A white coating on the tongue may be from either poor digestion or even thrush.

If I eat processed food or even drink an instant coffee, I end up with a white coated tongue.

The dizziness from low blood pressure sounds right.

A spliff will do that for ya....

Christ almighty, how much time do you blokes spend checking the state of your tongues?

I think this whole fasting thing is an exercise in foolishness and no long term good can come of it.
It's certainly very unhealthy and I would be surprised if WJB didn't experience some long term ill effects.
Starving the body of essential nutrients doesn't sound like a smart idea at all.

Just hope WJB doesn't die for this foolishness.

Yup, long term fasting's a masochistic enterprise.

I've fasted whenever necessary, in times of illness and as a method of reducing calorie intake to a necessary minimum for life extension.

Self control is the key to all that, one has a choice.

Now, at 70 yoa I fast periodically, maybe a day or two a week, maintaining my calorie intake at 40% lower than standard for my weight etc. and muscular and ATP energy levels at optimum.

I also do a few hours (max 2 -3 hours a day), about 4 -5 days a week exercise, walking, resistance bands, push and pulls, squats, 5kg dumbells, hand grips, bike rides'

Swimming's brilliant for balancing muscular development, shagging's another good exercise, helps the back and abs....

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by ENT

A white coating on the tongue may be from either poor digestion or even thrush.

If I eat processed food or even drink an instant coffee, I end up with a white coated tongue.

Christ almighty, how much time do you blokes spend checking the state of your tongues?

Every morning.

I also check my saliva and urine pH levels each morning.

I check my urine clarity and frequency along with the state of my shit, every day.

Dunno who said this first, but," A wise man examines his own shit".

And do you have a little taste to savour it, Doctor ENT ?