Thread: Fruit trees

Hi all

First im from finland and im not native speaking english so here can be few
miss spelling and other mistakes but i try to do my best.

So we have abaut 10 rais in sisaket and we thinking put fruit trees that land.
It is old rice field but nobody do that land enymore rice.Its not flood area what is good thing.

I think first thing to do is drill a well.I mean that kinda well that water dont stop.
Do u have eny experience how deep usually they drill that hole and do they have that kind of drilling machine in sisaket area?
there is small stream and pool but i think dry season its not gona be enough.

T Rice

Welcome Rice.

How deep you have to drill varies from place to place.
There will be a well driller in your area, just get the missus to ask around in the village.
If he is a local, he will have a good idea of how deep he will need to go on your land.

ok thanks.
what u think what fruits is coming best market value and easy to take care id say abaut after 5 or 6 years.
i try to find this forum fruit farmers but look like ewery body is on that rubber tree bisnes.
we already have buid house in here and
we planning to move here about after 5 years. so this 10 rai is just testing what can do and what not.
so if somebody have good ideas what is good or what is bad im open all new.
t rice

Fruit trees need alot of care while they are growing to produce good yields.
I wouldn't plan on putting in trees and coming back 5 years later expecting a fruit salad paradise.
Then there is soil type, climate, local market availability, worker expertise... a lot of variables.
Looking at what others grow in the area will tell you what works, but that market is already being serviced so prices may not be good.

Have you considered chili? Produces much quicker..

Yep.
Wife have borrow money her sister so they make that suggestion paying back 4 work so those trees are not gona be alone .
sister have alredy rubber tree farm but i just cant see eny future on that.
i think thailand have alredy too much rubbertrees and more is coming .
just my opinion.
Here have few fruit farm .have to go next week looking what they grow.
i just think its nice to hear if anybody have different opinion whats future coming look like.
of course nobody knows what happend but thats is nice to hear what other people think whats gona happend.

T rice

Rambutan and Mangosteen will always sell....wife told me Mangosteen was selling for 150bt a kilo on Phuket. SIL took a truck load from NS Thammarat ( selling at 40bt kilo!)to SIL's fruit stands in Phuket . Could also try Jack fruit and Pommelo.MIL has small fruit farm and sells fruit in season to locals and neighbors (hopefully before they steal it) .
Read someplace that there is a worldwide shortage of coconuts too?

Above are pretty much mtce free when mature.

I think that stealing problem is one thing what to think abaut.
Its ok if few kids steal some fruits but if those old lady gangs coming to your land i think they can make some huge damage.
One wifes brother is like hunter collector man maybe i make small hut 4 him so he can keep an eye whats happening .
T rice

Originally Posted by ricekebab

sister have alredy rubber tree farm but i just cant see eny future on that.

I don't see any future in farming at all in Thailand. Ricekebab, millions of Thais do it already. Are they making money at it? Of course not. The merchants are the big money makers. Sorry

Originally Posted by ricekebab

I think that stealing problem is one thing what to think abaut.
Its ok if few kids steal some fruits but if those old lady gangs coming to your land i think they can make some huge damage.
One wifes brother is like hunter collector man maybe i make small hut 4 him so he can keep an eye whats happening .
T rice

Take it from me, nothing will get done here unless you are here to supervise, why would your wife's family want to do you any favors.
As to stealing, again why would your BIL put himself in danger to save your fruit.
If you want to do any thing here you need to do it yourself, keep your money in your pocket until you move here. Jim

rambutan-wiki.
An average tree may produce 5,000–6,000 or more fruit (60–70 kg or 130–155 lb per tree). Yields begin at 1.2 tonnes per hectare (0.5 tons/acre) in young orchards and may reach 20 tonnes per hectare (8 tons per acre) on mature trees.

If local market price is 30 b kilo.
Any ideas how much usually farmer gets per kilo ?

Jim
When i make this house 5 years ago i wasnt here all the time only beginning.
And family look after workers and dealing money when it was needed.
And everything have gone like we have planned .this family have been super helpful all the time .
I usually stay 2-3 month per year here .so i can look what is done and what is not.
T rice

Originally Posted by crepitas

Rambutan and Mangosteen will always sell....wife told me Mangosteen was selling for 150bt a kilo on Phuket. SIL took a truck load from NS Thammarat ( selling at 40bt kilo!)to SIL's fruit stands in Phuket . Could also try Jack fruit and Pommelo.MIL has small fruit farm and sells fruit in season to locals and neighbors (hopefully before they steal it) .
Read someplace that there is a worldwide shortage of coconuts too?

Above are pretty much mtce free when mature.

You do get higher prices for fruit and vegies in Phuket if there is a shortage of supply
This can change overnight when there is a excess of supply to the same price or even cheaper than in producing areas

Originally Posted by ricekebab

Jim
When i make this house 5 years ago i wasnt here all the time only beginning.
And family look after workers and dealing money when it was needed.
And everything have gone like we have planned .this family have been super helpful all the time .
I usually stay 2-3 month per year here .so i can look what is done and what is not.
T rice

Things get done here in 2 ways, the right farang way and the Thai way.
Builders built your house not you in laws, family can have the best intentions in the world, but they will fall back to Thai methods. Man down the road does it this way, so he must know best, you are a farang, you know nothing.
Been here awhile now and never met one guy who succeed in a farming venture from overseas.
When you are not there things will be done the local way, that's just the way it is. Jim

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by ricekebab

sister have alredy rubber tree farm but i just cant see eny future on that.

I don't see any future in farming at all in Thailand. Ricekebab, millions of Thais do it already. Are they making money at it? Of course not. The merchants are the big money makers. Sorry

this is one way to see it .,but after all who needs big bucks .,when do u have enought money??.,i have own house in finland and sommer house in thailand im 40 years old and i just have started thinkin i want out this rat race.
im not saying that 10 rai is enought 4 me i just trying to figure what that land size gona be what i think is ok living 4 me.

If it's an hobby then fine. Go do it.

Geesh....come on guys!! If everyone did not try be they Thai, Farang or...nothing would ever happen!!!!

The Op wants to go for it..so maybe he will make mistakes like the rest of us?

OP... maybe plant bananas and those horrible bitter long bean tree thingies THAT Thais love..Betel nut palms yield saleable product too as well as being decorative?

The fact is everybody has to eat..grow food and you and yours will not starve..well atleast not here in Thailand?

Originally Posted by crepitas

Geesh....come on guys!! If everyone did not try be they Thai, Farang or...nothing would ever happen!!!!

The Op wants to go for it..so maybe he will make mistakes like the rest of us?

OP... maybe plant bananas and those horrible bitter long bean tree thingies THAT Thais love..Betel nut palms yield saleable product too as well as being decorative?

The fact is everybody has to eat..grow food and you and yours will not starve..well atleast not here in Thailand?

late edit: our farm has lots of edible mushroom things, fruits and veggies ( many strange thingies methinks),we planted 'em or they just happened... far more than we can use or need..our rubber cutters and rellies take want they want....everybody is happy happy...often bring a bunch of bananas to the 70+ yo shriveled old gal selling betel nut and bits and bobs of wild veggies in the market..think she after my body!

Originally Posted by crepitas

Geesh....come on guys!! If everyone did not try be they Thai, Farang or...nothing would ever happen!!!!

The Op wants to go for it..so maybe he will make mistakes like the rest of us?

OP... maybe plant bananas and those horrible bitter long bean tree thingies THAT Thais love..Betel nut palms yield saleable product too as well as being decorative?

The fact is everybody has to eat..grow food and you and yours will not starve..well atleast not here in Thailand?

heh we have those betel nuts in back yards .,., old women loves those. I give them away all the time when they come to ask those .,.,terrible teste and not so Hi Feeling .,.,

yeh its gona be like hobby first coulple of years ..,just go by 10 different saplings
what im put in araund back yard.

500b .,.not so bad .,.,abaut 1 m long.

but i just come to ask advise if somebody have going to that fruit bisnes and have like first hand knowledge .,i have been marry in 10 years now and i know what people try to say meny my friends have loose they money witht thai .,.,but not all .,.,T rice

Rice, old rice land will be nutrient depleted, it turns to a sludge when the rains come, not good or trees. You will need to fix the soil, truck in dirt, plow in manure, fertilize and grow another crop, corn or such between the trees to hold the soil together. This is going to cost money and a lot more than you may think.

Labor, no one works for free and just like rubber you will be fighting weeds, one spark from someone burning off rice stubble and your trees can go up in smoke.

Where will you sell your fruit, you may sell some in a local market, but you are talking kilos not bulk. Wholesale market, much lower price, how will you get it there, going to buy a truck. Fruit pickers, can you get them, I can't get enough rubber tappers and they get good money in Thai terms.
Lot more to it than planting saplings, Thais are family farms, substance farming, no money unless you are big, contracts, tractors, machines, otherwise it will only be a loss making hobby.

Friend, not far from Sisaket has 200 rai, fruit, rice, cassava etc keeps his extended family fed, he gets his money from Norway.

Think hard before you commit money. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Rice, old rice land will be nutrient depleted, it turns to a sludge when the rains come, not good or trees. You will need to fix the soil, truck in dirt, plow in manure, fertilize and grow another crop, corn or such between the trees to hold the soil together. This is going to cost money and a lot more than you may think.

Labor, no one works for free and just like rubber you will be fighting weeds, one spark from someone burning off rice stubble and your trees can go up in smoke.

Where will you sell your fruit, you may sell some in a local market, but you are talking kilos not bulk. Wholesale market, much lower price, how will you get it there, going to buy a truck. Fruit pickers, can you get them, I can't get enough rubber tappers and they get good money in Thai terms.
Lot more to it than planting saplings, Thais are family farms, substance farming, no money unless you are big, contracts, tractors, machines, otherwise it will only be a loss making hobby.

Friend, not far from Sisaket has 200 rai, fruit, rice, cassava etc keeps his extended family fed, he gets his money from Norway.

Think hard before you commit money. Jim

As usual good advice Jim , this is why I said in the "rubber trees" section why work and risk you money if you don't have to, in the end all you are doing is providing employment for some Thai who does not give a Monkey's if you "blow" your hard earned dough or not ,and very likely if you do you'll be the butt of some huge joke ,starting with "stupid farang"

Off topic I suppose ,but 3 years Ago danish guy started a Cafe and baked his own bread and made mega Pizza's in my area, at first he was doing really well and was well patronized by many farangs including myself , about 6 months later he told me at the local bar he was closing up , really surprised I asked him why , he said its quite simple, I cannot provide my wifes extended family (9 of the fucking parasites) in free food and drink twice a day 7 days a week

Originally Posted by crepitas

The fact is everybody has to eat..grow food and you and yours will not starve

Tell that to the rice farmers who haven't been paid yet. Nice post # 20 Piwanoi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Rice, old rice land will be nutrient depleted, it turns to a sludge when the rains come, not good or trees. You will need to fix the soil, truck in dirt, plow in manure, fertilize and grow another crop, corn or such between the trees to hold the soil together. This is going to cost money and a lot more than you may think.

Labor, no one works for free and just like rubber you will be fighting weeds, one spark from someone burning off rice stubble and your trees can go up in smoke.

Where will you sell your fruit, you may sell some in a local market, but you are talking kilos not bulk. Wholesale market, much lower price, how will you get it there, going to buy a truck. Fruit pickers, can you get them, I can't get enough rubber tappers and they get good money in Thai terms.
Lot more to it than planting saplings, Thais are family farms, substance farming, no money unless you are big, contracts, tractors, machines, otherwise it will only be a loss making hobby.

Friend, not far from Sisaket has 200 rai, fruit, rice, cassava etc keeps his extended family fed, he gets his money from Norway.

Think hard before you commit money. Jim

As usual good advice Jim , this is why I said in the "rubber trees" section why work and risk you money if you don't have to, in the end all you are doing is providing employment for some Thai who does not give a Monkey's if you "blow" your hard earned dough or not ,and very likely if you do you'll be the butt of some huge joke ,starting with "stupid farang"

Like any thing you have to go in with your eyes open, Thailand you have to factor the costs in. Family, some parasites, some OK, west taxes, rules and regulations. I have done OK, my kids will be better of than in OZ or the UK long term.
Thailand, farming or any other business is not easy, it's a hard game, I have FITH syndrome [Fcuk in the head] take it to the limit, no adventure, no life.
Jim

Rice, old rice land will be nutrient depleted, it turns to a sludge when the rains come, not good or trees. You will need to fix the soil, truck in dirt, plow in manure, fertilize and grow another crop, corn or such between the trees to hold the soil together.

ok that why they always put that white long potatos betveen young trees.,.,i have just thinking thay make extra money but if thay can do same time both it is guite good.

T rice

Originally Posted by ricekebab

white long potatos betveen young trees.,.,

You must be refering to cassava? Cassava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia