Thread: Become Self-Sufficient and Save the World with Permaculture

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Self-suffiency is such a nice catch-phrase, but like so many other labels today it's just a warm mirage to make the dreamers happy.

Self-sufficient in what. for how long.

It's impossible for 99.9999999999999% of the world's pop to be self-sufficient, except maybe in orgasms.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Self-suffiency is such a nice catch-phrase, but like so many other labels today it's just a warm mirage to make the dreamers happy.

Self-sufficient in what. for how long.

It's impossible for 99.9999999999999% of the world's pop to be self-sufficient, except maybe in orgasms.

Nothing but fashionable trends.
Most [even those who pretend to practice] wouldn't recognize self-sufficiency and self-reliancy if it came up and tweeked them on the nose.

Well lets hope they get a little more reckonised than that. I practice self-sufficiency, but still on the practice fairway and I have a long way to go before I can move to the first tee and claim to have gotten really good at it. His Majesty the King is a strong advocate of a sufficiency based rural economy. Acreages are reducing, farming as an occupation shrinking and aging. More chemicals are required to maintain yields on severly degraded soils. Input costs and capital investment both increasing but little increase in farm gate prices.
The current trends must change. The options are more expensive imported food, or more reliance of God-Knows-What it is really made out of or what its long term effect will be. Nutritionally the box is already better than the cereal. When is it worth more than a trite remark.
How about FAO and other expert analysists predicting Thailand will be a nett importer of pigs and rice within this decade? Think about it, this is no joke!

A year or so ago I set out on a program, which I called diversification to avoid starvation. Fish, ducks, chickens, corn etc.
Never had a banana from one of the rubber plantations where we had planted banana trees, did a dam at the factory for fish, paid for fish food. factory closed for the rubber dormant time, no one there, fished out 2 days after we went on holiday. Ducks were at the back of the house, people from another village would wade across the river in the night and take a sack full. had chickens on every rubber plantation, if no one there the locals classed them as free range wild and took them.
Very hard to stop the roaming hordes who wander the night from taking what they want unless you are there 24/7.

Learning as I go along, factory has 3 big hounds that scare the crap out of the locals, no fish stolen this year. Gave up on chickens on the plantations, if the locals didn't take them then wild dogs, snakes etc get them.

If you are not on site things will go, plus even on site you have to be careful at times. Out here people carry guns, not heard of chicken or corn thieves shooting it out, but rubber thieves, bigger money and jail time do go armed and there has been exchanges of gun fire between planters and thieves.

All in all very hard to break even if small scale farming, think I would have been better just going to Tesco's, but I am learning and will keep trying. Jim

^ rubber thieves? What do they steal? Mats or come and tap the trees?
I thought about raising chickens for meat, but while the quality might be better, the economics are just not there.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ rubber thieves? What do they steal? Mats or come and tap the trees?
I thought about raising chickens for meat, but while the quality might be better, the economics are just not there.

Economics has nothing to do with it.

It's about life.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ rubber thieves? What do they steal? Mats or come and tap the trees?
I thought about raising chickens for meat, but while the quality might be better, the economics are just not there.

We and others have had them break in to the storage shed and steal mats, more common is they steal cup lump from the plantations.
Cup rubber is just left in the collecting bowls for days drying until the tappers come and collect it, Thieves know the routine and just do the collecting before the owner does. Jim

Someone we know had her mats stolen from next to her house. Right across the road from a 24 hour manned police box. Her Por Noi is a senior police man.

Originally Posted by Mosha

Someone we know had her mats stolen from next to her house. Right across the road from a 24 hour manned police box. Her Por Noi is a senior police man.

Hi there Mosha would have sent a PM, but you have or can't receive them.
Guess my rubber comments will all be here from now on as TV and I have parted ways. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Mosha

Someone we know had her mats stolen from next to her house. Right across the road from a 24 hour manned police box. Her Por Noi is a senior police man.

Hi there Mosha would have sent a PM, but you have or can't receive them.
Guess my rubber comments will all be here from now on as TV and I have parted ways. Jim

IA and David have kept me posted Jim.

Originally Posted by IsaanAussie

Now here is the perfect example of permaculture. Permanent Culture, here is translated with Never bugger a good story with the truth.
Another good example of self sufficiency, Get as many sponsers as you need to make a dollar or ten. The less questions the more income. Leave the morals to .... arh... oh yeah, the best TV contributors! Slam that TEAK DOOR....
Hope to see more of both Jim and Mosha here. Hopefully more of the Rubbery Figures on TV and those Pigsters over there as well, join in too. I want to see sponsers join or better move, but selectively please....

Think there may be a drift over here from the rubber people over time.
May be the mods over here should consider a rubber and pig sub section, they get a fair bit of traffic on TV. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Mosha

Someone we know had her mats stolen from next to her house. Right across the road from a 24 hour manned police box. Her Por Noi is a senior police man.

Hi there Mosha would have sent a PM, but you have or can't receive them.
Guess my rubber comments will all be here from now on as TV and I have parted ways. Jim

I think it's my low post count. I can't send them yet.

My basis is ethics. The rest is a nonsense. Well perhaps a timed nonsense. My peronsal issues are not so different and enough is enough. I've been here for 14 years. Until I can migrate what makes a difference to me, then I will keep a foot in both camps. But this is wrong, this is about financial outcomes and I work too hard, and have too few valued friends to be influenced by that.

here's some one giving it a go.....
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