Thread: Working legally?

I have recently been offered freelance teaching work by an organisation. I will not be an official member of staff just somebody who teaches when and is needed by them. They will pay me hourly and money will go straight into my bank account.
Is a work permit still required for this in order for me to be working legally?

PS THe organisation is also telling me that my non-imm 'O' visa is sufficient and theres no need for a wp

If you ask whether it is legal - I must say it is definitely not, if you should get caught you'd be in dire straights and will pay a min of Baht 15,000 and face the consequences that may be even canceling your Non-O visa.

Now if you ask me how big the chance is to get caught, that is another thing, depends on location etc. and you may be probably never discovered working illegally.

So you have the risk versus profit - make up your mind - legal it is certainly not - chances to get caught may be small - I don't know. It rests with you, if you want to stay clean - ask them for a WP, just my 2 baht of the day!

Good luck to whatever your decision is!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

They're lying, a work permit is required for any work done by a foreigner in Thailand, paid or not, part-time or full-time. You may get away with it, many do, but I'd be wary of any organization that lies to you like that.

Absolutely correct - they know that they are lying, and that IMO leaves you in a very vulnerable position, if you have a problem with somebody he or she can call the next Labour Dept. and you're in shit.

If you want to work a non contract job it's not going to come with a WP.

I reckon upto 50% of whities doing some sort of teaching here (in BKK) don't have a WP. Nothing will happen to you.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Nothing will happen to you.

.....unless you get caught or ripped off.

Bollix.

^The OP asked whether a work permit is legally required or not, the answer is yes, a work permit is legally required. Whether or not he'll get away with working without a permit is not the question so why are you trying to muddy the waters with talk about whether or not he can get away with it? That's not what the OP asked.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

They're lying, a work permit is required for any work done by a foreigner in Thailand, paid or not, part-time or full-time. You may get away with it, many do, but I'd be wary of any organization that lies to you like that. It is extremely unlikely but the possibility exists that you may be jailed and/or deported for working without a work permit.

Thought I'd highlight the important bits there. It is not legal. You are being lied to. Do you need the money that bad?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

^The OP asked whether a work permit is legally required or not, the answer is yes, a work permit is legally required.

Fair enough.

Working without a WP is illegal here.

Like prostitution is.

Next time you see a prostitute, inform the police.



Illegality means nothing here unless the authorites can either get money from you, or you've pissed them off.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Originally Posted by DrB0b

^The OP asked whether a work permit is legally required or not, the answer is yes, a work permit is legally required.

Fair enough.

Working without a WP is illegal here.

Like prostitution is.

Next time you see a prostitute inform the police.

Don't have to, they already know and already extract their blood money, as well as other things. Don't see any reason why misinformation should possibly put the OP in the same position of being fcuked by the authorities against his will.

No, but he seems to be basing a decision on what is and isn't illegal here.

Yes, it's illegal. So is driving a bike without a helmet. So is prostitution and corruption.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

No, but he seems to be basing a decision on what is and isn't illegal here.

Yes, it's illegal. So is driving a bike without a helmet. So is prostitution and corruption.

I suspect Thailand's work permit rules are why there is so much prostitution here; a foreigner is not even allowed to jack it without a work permit, he must hire a Thai to do it for him.

Indeed.

Have a car in your wife's name?
Washing it is illegal without a WP.

Have a property in your wife's name?
Washing the windows, changing a light bulb, making the bed are all illegal without a WP.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Thought I'd highlight the important bits there. It is not legal. You are being lied to. Do you need the money that bad?

exactly. you cannot trust them.

therefore do you trust them to pay you?

do you trust them not to stitch you up?

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Fair enough. Working without a WP is illegal here. Like prostitution is. Next time you see a prostitute, inform the police. Illegality means nothing here unless the authorites can either get money from you, or you've pissed them off.

you're an idiot.

Working legally?23-04-2009 11:42 AMChairman MaoYou really are a retard, eh.

nope your the retard knumbnuts...

feeding wrong information to a newbie.

feeding wrong information to a newbie.

Please show.

(and if you're going to call someone a retard, try not to make prathom 2 like language errors, we know it's a lot to ask of you, but at least try eh.)

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

(and if you're going to call someone a retard, try not to make prathom 2 like language errors, we know it's a lot to ask of you, but at least try eh.)

wooopidoo fuckknuckle

Originally Posted by kingwilly

fuckknuckle

Interesting combination of words. I may use this in the future. Thankyou for opening up a whole new spectrum of potential vulgarities to me. Pehaps we could expand on the idea - buggerbuttocks etc etc

Originally Posted by kingwilly

wooopidoo fuckknuckle

The way in which you argue your point is simply awe-inspiring. But then again, you are clueless about Thailand so not much more than retarded dribble is expected from you.

And if I may ask, why post a red from someone who you previously redded and called a dickhead? Seems greatly immature.

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Originally Posted by kingwilly

wooopidoo fuckknuckle

The way in which you argue your point is simply awe-inspiring. But then again, you are clueless about Thailand so not much more than retarded dribble is expected from you.

And if I may ask, why post a red from someone who you previously redded and called a dickhead? Seems greatly immature.

Chairman Mao,

You seem like you have been in Thailand for awhile now?

Then why not give the OP a straight answer to his question. Is it illegal to do this without a WP? YES!

You seem to be one of the guys who likes to walk the tight rope and think you will never be caught in the wrong.

Well just so you know, everyone that is in Jail (Majority) knew what they were doing was wrong and never thought they would get caught because they took advise from people like you along the way or they just took chances to many times, or just had bad luck the first time!

Try and be responsible and an adult sometimes and do what's right when the time comes.

Hope this post doesn't hurt you feelings but put yourself in the OP's shoes, if you were new to Thailand or had been here for awhile and had an honest to goodness question and asked on a Farang forum would you not want the best and most honest answer to your query?

I don't care what you say, YOU WOULD. Why set another foreigner up for problems.

You maybe could have said the following if you could not just say YES to the OP's question: Yes it's illegal, but many do it anyway and get away with it. Your a grown man and have to make your own decisions but I would not as I would think about what would happen to me if I DID GET CAUGHT.

Thanks for your time Chairman Mao.

KHUNDAN

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

No, but he seems to be basing a decision on what is and isn't illegal here.

Yes, it's illegal. So is driving a bike without a helmet. So is prostitution and corruption.

-driving a bike without a helmet for a Thai = ticket or BIB beer money
-driving a bike without a helmet for a farang = look the other way
-So is prostitution and corruption, for a Thai = same same
-So is prostitution and corruption, for a farang = beer money for BIB or look the other way to bolster tourism.
-working without a permit for farang = bend over and spread your cheeks without lube and sand included..not tourist anymore doesn't count... pay beer money and still get screwed as your taking the job one of their family might be able to have, true or not, that's how they interpret it..

Originally Posted by KHUNDAN

if you were new to Thailand or had been here for awhile and had an honest to goodness question and asked on a Farang forum would you not want the best and most honest answer to your query?

I've already given him the best and most honest answer.

Yes it's illegal.
Teaching a few hours here and there without a WP WILL NOT get you in any trouble.

If you can show any link of any kind of any of the thousands of part-time teachers working without a WP every single day getting into legal trouble for doing so, then please do so.

But you can't. Can you?

Because, oh would you look at that, Chairman Mao was right, it doesn't happen.

Aaaahhh....don't you just love egos on a saturday morning.....