Thread: Crown Land use, Sor Por Kor discussion

^-^^ Expanding roadways seems to be the most common way they have of appropriating your land.

My land is Chanote for the 15th time here. I did it fair and square through the land office, er, my wife did....easy peasey folks.

All true if they want it they'll take it. No doubt about it, regardless of titles or laws of the country. Just look at the most recent governmental events. That should convince everyone.

Originally Posted by Moolek

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

95% of agricultural land, and land outside of the towns and villages in Isaan is NOT Chanote, or NS3. Indeed, some larger market towns will have Chanote on one side of the main drag, NS3 or less on the other. Go figure. It will never happen that this "crown" land will be taken back from areas in the boondocks that have no commercial benefit to large monied companies ie factories etc. There would be anarchy, and more importantly, rebellion. The "crown" know this, as well as all recent governments. Eventually, (hopefully in my lifetime), the land paperwork mess of a system will get sorted. If you go into an SPK office these days, everything is slowly getting sat navved, updated and they are on the case.

Agreed, 100%. I would be hesitant to buy land adjacent to a river, rail line or a forested area, (etc) with no Chanote but where we are there are almost no titles. Most of the villages have no titles either. My MIL's house is on Sor Por Kor title but they better bring the army if they think they will be getting her out of the house. Our farms are all on un-titled land and in our area it is preferred as there are no Chanotes and everyone avoids Sor Por Kor as they believe it to be more difficult to transfer.

There is no way that they are just going to start evicting people of land that is not part of a park or other reserved crown area unless they have a darn good reason. Also I doubt land with no title is necessarily crown land either as the crown would have no title as well.

Finally don't think your Chanote is so bombproof either, some of them are fake and even if they aren't you can still have you land appropriated. If the government decides they really want to build something where your house is they can and will appropriate it and they will decide what your compensation will be and you will have a heck of a time fighting them on it.

Untitled land [possession land] is better than SPK land, simply because you can apply to change it's usage.
Our factory was on possession land, we, through the SME department applied to have it zoned as industrial.
Land bought at 15,000 Baht a rai, no title, just bill of sale witnessed by the Orbitor, national zoning as industrial, factories licence issued, then year or so later charnote issued.
SPK land is farmland, owned by the crown, changing it's usage is a big deal and not done by local land office or local government.
The 15,000 Baht land we bought, was valued by the land office, for tax and transfer fees, 3 years ago at 1 mil per rai. Whether anyone would pay that much, who knows, but that's the minimum taxes payable.

Init, you do not have charnote title on your land, you said it was Nor Sor Sam title, you can up grade it to Gor, but not charnote.
I had land surveyed by the lands department, a favor from a friend, who is way up the food chain. 4 years later, still have not got the charnote, because they are issued from BKK. Area is not yet part of the national survey program, bits of paper are that, bits of paper, when it's in the data base it's legal.

No one should ever believe what Thais tell you, or bits of paper you get shown, more charnotes were issued on Koh Samui than there was land.

Moolek, it was the army that took the wife's 25 rai, all very polite, but they landed in the local primary school in a helicopter gunship, great day for the local kids.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

SPK land is farmland, owned by the crown, changing it's usage is a big deal and not done by local land office or local government.

Jim don't waste your time, their teelak tells them different. Let them get on with it.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Jim don't waste your time, their teelak tells them different. Let them get on with it.

Your oversimplifying and being a bit insulting. There is nothing wrong with having dealings that involve non-chanote land, though you should be aware of the risks and the pricing of the land should be representative of these risks.

As with everything else, buyer beware but don't suggest that people should never buy non-chanote land. You have every right to choose to only deal with chanote land as I reserve the right to deal with non-chanote land.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Init, you do not have charnote title on your land, you said it was Nor Sor Sam title, you can up grade it to Gor, but not charnote.

Short of saying, "You don't know what you're talking about," and posting the Chanote title, whats wrong with you? We have a Chanote title, no doubt about it Jim. About the only thing you have right is the time line, about 1 year for everything to fall into place.

Here's the laws, 25 pages of it.

http://www.thailawforum.com/database...nd-Code-2.html

Knock yourselves out reading.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Here's the laws, 25 pages of it. http://www.thailawforum.com/database...nd-Code-2.html Knock yourselves out reading.

The number of sections that have been deleted shows a little "fluidity" in the "laws".

Originally Posted by Moolek

Your oversimplifying and being a bit insulting. There is nothing wrong with having dealings that involve non-chanote land, though you should be aware of the risks and the pricing of the land should be representative of these risks. As with everything else, buyer beware but don't suggest that people should never buy non-chanote land. You have every right to choose to only deal with chanote land as I reserve the right to deal with non-chanote land.

I don't intend to be 'insulting'. Regarding 'Chanote' land and 'Sor Por Kor' title, if you aren't fully aware the laws, buy 'Chanote'. It's the way to go for farangs, especially if it's your money.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Easy enough to prove Jim wrong Itnt. Attach a photo of your land papers.

Almost as likely I'd post my passport...forget it.

It wasn't meant to be a thread. I never started it. I believe it was taken from 'Rubber Trees' thread.

^Yes...and it deteriorated long before Tod showed up. However Tod has added his opinion and we need to remain open to all who venture forth into threads expressing their personal opinions.

Thanks for sharing Tod. How's business?