Land development with wall and house...photo thread..first effort.

[Marmite the Dog]

BTW, the build is looking really crisp. Nice job.

[koman]

You see why I didn't want to ask !

You can be as sarcastic as Marm !

I'm surprised at you kome .


W

Sorry Wasp.....just a bit of fun....don't go getting all offended on me. I was just answering the question and adding a bit of flavour to the subject.... I can't come close to Marmite for a bit of sarcasm.....he's a Waffen SS General you know...

[KiCanCummins]

Now I don't want Marmite answering me here ..... I just want nice calm koman as I hesitate even to ask the question .

I keep seeing people putting that silvered insulation into the ceiling and I keep on wondering why ?

In my simplistic terms ..... heat rises and you want cool . Surely the insulation stops the heat rising into the roof space and makes it more expensive for your a/c to bring the living area down to an acceptable temp ?

Again in my own simple terms - in the UK the insulation is there to keep heat from escaping .
Surely it's the same there - where you would quite like the heat to escape ?

.........Wasp

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Mr Wasp,

In England you have PP insulation in your houses.
In Canada we do not have enough insulation by building codes, they are now moving to SUPER INSULATED HOUSES. In Canada we insulate the walls, the basement, the ceiling, windows everything.

You are right that heat rises but what you have to take into consideration it the radiant factor plus the temperature differential that you are trying to achieve. This coupled with the room sizes and the BTU’s that the Ac unit is pushing out. Now if you want to cut the power consumption of the cooling unit then insulate the hell out of the house. A little more up front but lower energy bills in the long run. Energy, er electricity is not going to get any cheaper.

Mr Koman I see that your south side walls are exposed to the sun, I would have had the roof overhang the wall to shade the walls. I did find this nifty tool for getting the angle of the sun,
Calculation of sun’s position in the sky for each location on the earth at any time of day Just move the map to your location and then click “execute” and the data will show the angles etc for your location.

As with this build bloody marvellous.

KCC

[KiCanCummins]

You see why I didn't want to ask !

You can be as sarcastic as Marm !

I'm surprised at you kome .


W

Sorry Wasp.....just a bit of fun....don't go getting all offended on me. I was just answering the question and adding a bit of flavour to the subject.... I can't come close to Marmite for a bit of sarcasm.....he's a Waffen SS General you know...

Bugger!

Koman you beat me to answer Mr Wasp

Mr Wasp Sorry, just trying to explain newton's laws etc.

KCC

[Bettyboo]

^interesting stuff. A bit of knowledge and planning does help a lot; wish I had either.

I was assured by builders, forum experts, and miscellaneous farangs who claim to know about these things, that it was impossible to build the house I wanted for this amount of money.

10k per sqM is very good for the quality of build you have. Thinking about it (not one of my strong points...), you benefit from: 1) scale; 2) bungalow build. i.e., if you had built a 150 sqM property on 2 floors then the total cost would have been pretty similar (i.e. a much higher price per sqM), imho. You made a lot of good choices along the way, and you researched very very well. I researched by posting pics after the event and asking folks what they thought - this is not the best option... An excellent job all round, Koman; I would say inspirational, but I don't want your head to grow too large to get through your front door...

[Wasp]

You can be as sarcastic as Marm !
I'm surprised at you kome .


W

Sorry Wasp.....just a bit of fun....don't go getting all offended on me. I was just answering the question and adding a bit of flavour to the subject.... I can't come close to Marmite for a bit of sarcasm.....he's a Waffen SS General you know...


I was even complimentary about your R2D2......... and that's a sentence you won't see many times in your life !!

........................ W

[crepitas]

re the double sided foil insulation...

always a point of contention....the underside of the foil will radiate back the heat that rises inside the living area?
Hot air in roof areas does not radiate heat down only the roofing material does that..convection to degree which says get rid of it up and out through adequate venting.


Saw gyprock with foil/foam insulating layer on upper side...makes a little more sense wish had found it before. Maybe there are insulated roof tiles available now...think I saw insulating roof paint in Oz?

We have nuffink in the way of ceiling roof insulation just a well vented roof,no air ceiling fans ( bad idea..pumps hot air and gheko poop down) and uprights...more than adequate 90% of the time..near enough is good enough as they say...

Most of the uncomfortable heat issue in tropic climates is the humidity factor like wind chill elsewhere..that's the hard one?

read somewhere about heat exhausting vents in the ceilings..would seem to be a good idea..big vents in ceilings to a vented roof.

bugger it going outside for "...an ice cold beer in the shade"..apologies to Billy Joel..
.....yes, yes I do know what time it is!

[koman]

re the double sided foil insulation...

always a point of contention....the underside of the foil will radiate back the heat that rises inside the living area?
Hot air in roof areas does not radiate heat down only the roofing material does that..convection to degree which says get rid of it up and out through adequate venting.


Saw gyprock with foil/foam insulating layer on upper side...makes a little more sense wish had found it before. Maybe there are insulated roof tiles available now...think I saw insulating roof paint in Oz?

We have nuffink in the way of ceiling roof insulation just a well vented roof,no air ceiling fans ( bad idea..pumps hot air and gheko poop down) and uprights...more than adequate 90% of the time..near enough is good enough as they say...

Most of the uncomfortable heat issue in tropic climates is the humidity factor like wind chill elsewhere..that's the hard one?

read somewhere about heat exhausting vents in the ceilings..would seem to be a good idea..big vents in ceilings to a vented roof.

bugger it going outside for "...an ice cold beer in the shade"..apologies to Billy Joel..
.....yes, yes I do know what time it is!

You're right....almost everything about construction is contentious including methods of insulating. The top reflector layer is the one that does the most...at least in theory. Heat radiating down from the roof (whatever it's made off) is reflected back and expelled via the roof vents. We have extra large vents for that very purpose. If you don't reflect that heat back then it will be heating up your ceiling, which in turn will heat up the air in your house....which in turn will cause your AC to work harder and cost you more money trying to keep the place comfortable.

High levels of humidity are of course the main culprit when it comes to being uncomfortable...but the AC takes care of that....and as everyone knows cool air contains a lot less moisture that warm air. It goes without saying that the less excess heat getting into your house from above, the better.

This method is well established and proven, so regardless of all the conflicting theories and opinions, I always judge things on their performance alone. The actual performance/results are the only thing that really matter with any of this stuff...

[Koetjeka]

Most of the uncomfortable heat issue in tropic climates is the humidity factor like wind chill elsewhere..that's the hard one?

read somewhere about heat exhausting vents in the ceilings..would seem to be a good idea..big vents in ceilings to a vented roof.

bugger it going outside for "...an ice cold beer in the shade"..apologies to Billy Joel..
.....yes, yes I do know what time it is!

Yes the humidity is our biggest opponent. I've been reading about evaporation towers, it seems like this is the right way to solve the problem but it's not a pretty sight to have a tower though.

About the cold beer, at the moment my hands are so cold, it's almost as if they're frozen. And I'm used to temperatures below zero in Europe. Who could have imagined that, in Thailand. Coming to think of it, the dust might actually insulate your ceiling a little bit too, haha.

//edit: Oh and of course the top layer helps more than the bottom layer of reflective foil but once there's a little dust on it, the effect is gone, which here in dusty Thailand will only take a few weeks. So unless you can clean it regularly it won't really help.

[BKKBILL]

.....yes, yes I do know what time it is!

I see no problem here as it is always Five o'clock somewhere.

[msl3232]

well done the photos are great keep them coming

[crepitas]

was just looking at the rats nest of pretty coloured wiring..no labels?

Is your high priced farang help aware of std domestic wiring colour codes? Bk(live) Wt (neutral) Grn or bare copper (ground)?

All seem to be the same gauge??... hope this is a lighting sub panel?

Maybe this is to what the paranoid sparkie refers?

Put a couple of high watt kitchen appliances plus ...think you said you had a combo gas/electric hob?... Thinks may just get a bit warm?

[koman]

was just looking at the rats nest of pretty coloured wiring..no labels?

Is your high priced farang help aware of std domestic wiring colour codes? Bk(live) Wt (neutral) Grn or bare copper (ground)?

All seem to be the same gauge??... hope this is a lighting sub panel?

Maybe this is to what the paranoid sparkie refers?

Put a couple of high watt kitchen appliances plus ...think you said you had a combo gas/electric hob?... Thinks may just get a bit warm?

1. If you read back through the thread I've already listed all the colour codes.

2. They are not all the same gauge. I stated that too.

3. I have no idea what high priced farang help you are referring too....because the
only farang around here is me...and I'm definitely not high priced....but I'm quite
well versed in what the different colours represent....as well as gauge and
capacity requirements.

[koman]

Todays photos are a continuation of yesterday with a bit of additional stuff.



This morning the boys were dumping barrow loads of sand on the compacted soil in the driveway.



This is from the house end. In the interests of economy, we have decided to pave the driveway with dead dogs. This is a trial run.



Once spread and compacted it looked quite nice and smooth...till they started driving pickup trucks up and down it... oh well, it will all soon disappear under a load of cement anyway.



Inside the intrepid ceiling team were working hard. The missus has warmed up quite a bit and even smiled today...at me....

This example of perfect team work is heart warming to watch......



....but then, Somchai has to let go to drive the screws in and the missus lets out a steam of abuse that could be heard up in the village...."hurry up you asshole, this thing is heavy".....



A sample of the ceiling work. These drop ceilings are more of a fashion that anything. They have no value that I know off other than that, ..but in this case it did not cost any more to do it, so may as well be in fashion...what?



Back in the kitchen area, our splendid tile guy and his wife are busy building counters. I think these two are my favourites. Friendly, polite and excellent steady workers. Really nice couple. Actually all of these people are nice in various ways...even the terrible ceiling couple....I've actually started to like them too....the guy is a real comedian... but he should never be allowed access to nails....



A bit of the days work. Looks pretty rough but I'll bet when these two get through, it will look beautiful....and strong enough to drive a bulldozer across.



This formidable looking structure is a roughed in cabinet to hold an oven and microwave/grill.



I just realized that I have not yet posted a picture of the place from the back or the North side.....so here is the first.



The North side with pillars that make it look a bit like some plantation house in S. Carolina about 1850 according to one guy who stopped to take a look........I think they mostly had round pillars though...



....one final photo of that controversial insulation. If it does not work at least it makes for a few interesting photos.....

[bankao dreamer]

I noticed you are using dead dogs for your driveway may I suggest an alternative we are using dead turtles as they require less compaction

[koman]

I noticed you are using dead dogs for your driveway may I suggest an alternative we are using dead turtles as they require less compaction

Thanks BD...I'm sure you're right. It's just that we seem to have a huge surplus of dogs around here, but I've not seen any turtles in a while. Sometimes you just have to go with the materials at hand....

[Wasp]

The North side with pillars that make it look a bit like some plantation house in S. Carolina about 1850 according to one guy who stopped to take a look........I think they mostly had round pillars though...


From : Bankao/Wasp Supplies ...


So how many Roman Kings will that be sir ?

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[bankao dreamer]

^^^^ How many Roman Kings ?

Ooooh at least Eeeeeesip One would think.

[Bettyboo]

Koman, do you think it's possible to get the driveway to this stage then just lay shingle rather than concrete it, like below? How do you reckon it'd work out in Thailand? Have you seen any (I don't think I have); would the cost be similar?

[Bettyboo]

I'm very pleased to see this picture. It makes me feel a LOT better about the workmanship on my site...

[koman]

Koman, do you think it's possible to get the driveway to this stage then just lay shingle rather than concrete it, like below? How do you reckon it'd work out in Thailand? Have you seen any (I don't think I have); would the cost be similar?

Don't remember seeing a driveway like that here. I'm not sure what it is even...looks like some kind of veneer; probably over a concrete base anyway.??

Maybe somebody on TD knows....or maybe not; then we can all speculate on how much money we could save by using it....

[Bettyboo]

^don't you have Irishmen where you come from, Koman???

It's shingle/gravel..

[Bettyboo]

Just want to take the opportunity to highlight, once again, this workmanship...

[koman]

^don't you have Irishmen where you come from, Koman???

It's shingle/gravel..

But that looks different to the picture you posted originally....and you've put the fucking thing under a microscope now.. I'm not familiar with such an arrangement in any case. It's either dirt or concrete around here....

[koman]

Just want to take the opportunity to highlight, once again, this workmanship...

OK, it's not very pretty now, but just wait till my tile guy has done his thing on it.....the grand ballroom at Versailles probably looked pretty shitty too before they finished it off......