Thread: The new iPhone (5)

I fail to see why asking me if I jailbroke any of my devices is of paramount importance to you.

- Have I ever jailbroken one of my devices? Yes, I have, because I was interested what all the brouhaha was all about.

- Is my "daily use" device jailbroken? Hell, no.

My experience has been that Jailbreaking:

- introduces serious instabilities and reliability issues.
- provides apps of a very low standard of quality (*).
- is populated by a demographic of mostly unprofessionals.
- made my devices less stable, and more battery hungry.
- kept my devices 1-2 generations of current operating systems behind.
(*) very few exceptions, and those two authors have now been hired by Apple.

In other words, it turned an iPhone effectively into the crap Android users are used to.

Hence, "Hell no!"

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh no, there are lots of companies that wish they knew what Apple put in the kool aid.

I guess those companies are pretty dumb, because it's not rocket science. Why don't you "consult" with them, seeing as how you think you know it all?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

because they are built by piece of crap chinese manufacturers that don't care if they are doing a good job, or not.

like foxconn ?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Have I ever jailbroken one of my devices? Yes, I have

does that violate the EULA ?

and probably some US computer crimes act as you are fcuking with a computer owned by apple

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Have I ever jailbroken one of my devices? Yes, I have

does that violate the EULA ?

and probably some US computer crimes act as you are fcuking with a computer owned by apple

My goodness, you are such an extraordinarily badly informed moron:

U.S. Declares iPhone Jailbreaking Legal, Over Apple

Then again, that's no surprise - you're just another dinosaur that know how he is being left behind.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

because they are built by piece of crap chinese manufacturers that don't care if they are doing a good job, or not.

like foxconn ?

Foxconn is not Chinese - as you are just further demonstrating your continued ignorance.

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Foxconn is not Chinese - as you are just further demonstrating your continued ignorance.

Taiwanese are still chinese no matter what you think - and where are the majority of the factories ?

You seem to know very little about everything you talk about.

Maybe you should learn how Foxconn does business, and also how a successful company that works with Foxconn does business...

Terry Gou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Forbidden City of Terry Gou - WSJ.com

Both excellent links - I don't, for a moment, even think you will actually read them.

are you telling me that Terry Gou is not chinese ? or that the majority of foxconn factories are not in china ?

you do understand you are thought of as a sock puppet

Originally Posted by baldrick

are you telling me that Terry Gou is not chinese ? or that the majority of foxconn factories are not in china ?

You're confirming, then, that you haven't read the articles I linked to?

Thus, confirming that you have no idea what you are talking about, and refusing to inform or educate yourself. As usual.

Originally Posted by baldrick

you do understand you are thought of as a sock puppet

... and I bet you think I'm a sock puppet for Steve Jobs -- which would be interesting, since you also keep repeating that he's dead. So, how's that work - and how does any of that affect the veracity (that's a word that means "truthfulness") of what I am saying?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Foxconn is not Chinese - as you are just further demonstrating your continued ignorance.

Taiwanese are still chinese no matter what you think - and where are the majority of the factories ?

You seem to know very little about everything you talk about.

Maybe you should learn how Foxconn does business, and also how a successful company that works with Foxconn does business...

Terry Gou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Forbidden City of Terry Gou - WSJ.com

Both excellent links - I don't, for a moment, even think you will actually read them.

interesting story to read,

sounds like that guy is quite a success story,

Tai-Ming Gou, (born October 8, 1950 )
Gou's parents lived in mainland China's Shanxi Province before they fled to Taiwan in 1949, where Gou was born

tell me again that he is not chinese ?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

.. and I bet you think I'm a sock puppet for Steve Jobs -- which would be interesting, since you also keep repeating that he's dead. So, how's that work

got it in one - you are surely a high priest of the religion and I know he lives on in your heart

but the reality is the cnut is dead and your religion will slowly lose its momentum as the next tamagotchi rises to engage the attention of the self proclaimed "special" people

Originally Posted by baldrick

but the reality is the cnut is dead and your religion will slowly lose its momentum

isn't what they said about Christians ? and here we are today,

don't discount the power of the iPods and the iTards, they are bread and wine for the lost souls, and the world has no shortage of those

Originally Posted by baldrick

Tai-Ming Gou, (born October 8, 1950 )
Gou's parents lived in mainland China's Shanxi Province before they fled to Taiwan in 1949, where Gou was born

tell me again that he is not chinese ?

Still haven't read those links, have you? Because the answer is right there, in those links.

I guess you will just continue to insist on showing off how ignorant you are.

Oh, and when saying "Chinese" - do you mean ethnically, politically, or geographically?



[QUOTE=baldrick;2141336]

Tai-Ming Gou, (born October 8, 1950 )
Gou's parents lived in mainland China's Shanxi Province before they fled to Taiwan in 1949, where Gou was born

tell me again that he is not chinese ?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

...but the reality is the cnut is dead and your religion will slowly lose its momentum as the next tamagotchi rises to engage the attention of the self proclaimed "special" people

Oh, I'm sure you desperately cling to that belief and hope, being a "faithful" yourself, just from the other religion. The one that has painfully been displaced.

Envy and bitterness... you wear them badly, my friend.

slavery is still alive and doing well in these days,

our Ancient Aliens Gods would be proud,

Originally Posted by Koojo

One of foxcons factories is located around here, they make the iphones.
They had a rash of suicides a year or two ago, workers jumping of the roof of the factory.
They have (or at least had) very harsh conditions. They worked long hours for little pay, lived on 'campus' and I imagine had little tyrants as bosses.
The big boss flew in in a big gesture (shown on the news).
The result?
They're not allowed on the roof any more.
There must have been some kind of regulation passed in this regard, because shortly after all the doors onto the roof here were locked.

- Foxconn pays, on average, 30-40% more than similar factories in the same region.
- Foxconn provides on-site housing, food and recreational amenities.
- (other employers make you find your own housing)
- Foxconn provides health benefits
- Foxconn provided death benefits, for employees that died on the job.
^^^^^^^^this was the clincher, as the suicides stopped once the death benefits were cancelled!!
- despite this, the suicide rate in other factories was far higher than at Foxconn, sometimes by a factor of 5-6 times higher.

- Apple is the only western customer that regularly inspects and audits labor conditions of their supply chain and stringently report on violations. HP, Dell, never bother showing up, or releasing reports.

You should read those links. Really, you should. Your claims are outdated and inaccurate. Sony, Acer, Asus factories have far, far harsher conditions that no one seems to care about.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Oh, and when saying "Chinese" - do you mean ethnically, politically, or geographically?

culturally - and that is the real issue

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

I guess you will just continue to insist on showing off how ignorant you are.

I have lived and worked in china dealing with those from various parts of the country.

my stepmother is chinese , my sisters are half chinese

why don't you explain to me my ignorance

I don't need to "explain" it to you - you amply display it.

Still haven't read those links, have you? Think you're above it? You really believe that overpaying for some sauce "services" and knowing how to order street-food makes you on expert on Taiwanese - a people that are multiple times better, and more professional than the schmutz from the mainland you proclaim familiarity with.

Culturally, Terry Gou is Taiwanese - which isn't a 'renegade province' (though, I'm sure you'd love to regard it that way - and knowing about your background, it now all falls into place).

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

I fail to see why asking me if I jailbroke any of my devices is of paramount importance to you.

- Have I ever jailbroken one of my devices? Yes, I have, because I was interested what all the brouhaha was all about.

- Is my "daily use" device jailbroken? Hell, no.

My experience has been that Jailbreaking:

- introduces serious instabilities and reliability issues.
- provides apps of a very low standard of quality (*).
- is populated by a demographic of mostly unprofessionals.
- made my devices less stable, and more battery hungry.
- kept my devices 1-2 generations of current operating systems behind.
(*) very few exceptions, and those two authors have now been hired by Apple.

In other words, it turned an iPhone effectively into the crap Android users are used to.

Hence, "Hell no!"

Took you two hours to come up with *that*?

Really?

I only wanted a yes or no.

So in other words you fucked it up.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

I don't need to "explain" it to you - you amply display it.

but only to you ?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Culturally, Terry Gou is Taiwanese

which shows you have no fcukin idea about the chinese

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Still haven't read those links, have you?

you lack comprehension skills - which goes a long way to explain your preference for iOS

Originally Posted by baldrick

you lack comprehension skills - which goes a long way to explain your preference for iOS

It's amazing how much you resist reading a simple link - which even the local village idiot, Butterfly, could do.

The only one that is any way developmentally challenged, here, seems to be you.

So far:

- you don't know what you are talking about
- you refuse to potentially educate yourself, or add to your knowledge.
- you lash out with insult and ad hominem when your ignorance is pointed out.
- you refuse to substantiate any of your claims (most likely because you have nothing to do so).

Yep, that about seems to be it.

Originally Posted by baldrick

but only to you ?

Seeing as how other have jumped in these threads to either critique, correct, or contribute their own positive impressions of Apple/iOS, it would appear that others share the same impressions that I have verbalized - namely, that you are an obsessed, ignorant individual with some odd chip on your shoulder.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So in other words you fucked it up.

.... as everyone who needs to 'root' their Android phone does as well...

You do appear to have problems with metaphors and similes...

Foxconn death benefits:

Foxconn resorts to stringing nets between buildings to stop suicides - SlashGear

The suicides are blamed on low morale and thought to possibly be linked to the death benefit packages Foxconn was paying to families of the deceased that amounted to about ten years pay for the workers. Foxconn has since stopped paying the death benefits.

Higher Pay:

iPad maker Foxconn lifts China workers pay again | Reuters

Foxconn Technology Group, the top maker of Apple Inc's iPhones and iPads whose factories are under scrutiny over labor practices, has raised wages of its Chinese workers by 16-25 percent from this month, the third rise since 2010

In a statement on Friday, Taiwan-based Foxconn said the pay of a junior level worker in Shenzhen, southern China, had risen to 1,800 yuan ($290) per month and could be further raised above 2,200 yuan if the worker passed a technical examination.

It said that pay three years ago was 900 yuan a month.

"As a top manufacturing company in China, the basic salary of junior workers in all of Foxconn's China factories is already far higher than the minimum wage set by all local governments," the statement said.

The last time Foxconn Group raised wages was in June 2010, when the pay of its Chinese workers went up by over 30 percent. ($1 = 6.3016 Chinese yuan)

- (other employers make you find your own housing)NO THEY DON'T, the majority of big factories provide housing and food.

Oh boy, are you ever naïve.

- Foxconn provides health benefits As required by Chinese law, just like every other company.

Oh boy, are you ever naïve.

Apple's Foxconn Factory Jobs Are Way Better Than The Alternative -- Rice Farming And Prostitution - Business Insider


Suicide rate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

in China : 20 suicides per 100,000 people.
at Foxconn : 14 suicides for 1,000,000 people

Thus, Foxconn's suicide rate is 1.4 per 100,000 people, while China has 20 per 100,000.

Thus, you are correct - my estimate that the suicide rate in the rest of China is 5-6 times higher, when it is in fact nearly 10 times higher (making Foxconn's suicide rate at 1/10th the national Chinese rate).

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/m...cide-risk/1356


Did I miss anything?

Oh, and you're welcome. Feel free to correct yourself.