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    got to have been at least 1.3 million unarmed civilians taken out in Lao, Cambodia and Vietnam. At least. Usually by B52 bombers. My Lai was minor tho still horrific.

    Thanks CM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc2
    Thanks for the red, but I can see you have just copied the photos from this thread in another forum originally posted in feb 2010 - whats worse is that you copied the photo comments as well ! Pictures of Military Women in Vietnam - Asia Finest Discussion Forum eg:
    Oh dear.

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    ^ The simpleton is desperate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^I read the book on "Tiger Force" some time ago, and several names pop up again and again, Ybarra's for one. I don't dispute that atrocities occurred, especially ones as well documented as My Lai and Tiger Force. I do maintain, however, that most soldiers during the ten years of this war acted correctly - or as correctly as one can in the confusion of such a war. Witness those who tried to prevent My Lai, and reported it. Any war will have aberrant personalities, especially one that lasts a decade, and atrocities will take place. This is the unfortunate nature of war. But, unlike many other conflicts of recent years, there is no indication that such atrocities in Vietnam were policy, or sanctioned in any way. A few deranged individuals committed some horrible acts; unfortunately, many of them got away with it. I do, however, totally dispute the fucking crap presented as fact in the Winter Soldier testimony, where attention seeking politicians such as the scum Kerry, and any number of rear area truck drivers and cooks, flatly lied about what they had allegedly seen or done in order to gain attention and to curry favor with the anti-war movement.
    Good post Davis.

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    Thanks for the thread. Great pics. Who gives a fúck if you saw the pics elsewhere, I hadn't seen them before and probably 90% of the readers hadn't either.

    Good insight from DK too.

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    For all the bucolic photos of smiling femine NV women soldiers in the Great Patriotic War, lets not forget the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese that voted with their feet and got the heck out of the workers paradise A.K.A. the Socialist Republic of Vietnam....

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    nice one, carry it on if you can

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    It was war and nasty things happen in the grown-ups world.

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    carpet bombing was out of order teddy.
    not justified nor was there any honour.
    shame shame shame shame shame
    all that toxic shit also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^^^^F.R. - Just for the record. I fought in Vietnam from 68-69, in I Corps, some of the toughest fighting of the hardest year of the war. I not only never saw a rape, I never even heard of one. The so-called "Winter Soldier" testimony has been proven to be almost totally false, made up by scum like Senator Kerry, who also falsified his own war record.
    Thanks for your brave service. I'm curious about the claims that the Winter Soldier testimony has been proven to be totally false, as I saw the film recently.

    I like documentary films, but I see the danger in relying on them for info. I view them as conversation starters, and I'm curious about another view of Winter Soldier.

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    I have a DVD of these young ladys, Vietnamese generals were amazed that teenage girls got them through enemy lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    For all the bucolic photos of smiling femine NV women soldiers in the Great Patriotic War, lets not forget the hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese that voted with their feet and got the heck out of the workers paradise A.K.A. the Socialist Republic of Vietnam....
    Got that right.

    Where's Hanoi Jane's photo, eh? Smiling photos of the enemy got to include that bitch...

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    Got any pictures of you in 'nam Boon..? Slinging beans and flipping hash browns

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    Too bad this thread is dead. This thread embodies the best of what civil discourse should look like

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    This story will never go away. Mi Lai as tragic as it was is a metaphor of how war brings out the worst in many people. We have seen the results of the returning soldiers who were broken by this war. I wonder how many broken minds there are in vietnam from the horrors they also endured. Vietnam should have served as a beacon why war should be avoided at all costs. Sadly we have not learned the lessons of history and will be condemned to endless war until we do.

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    A poignant thread. ^ A view that I can share wholeheartedly. It really is a pity that there are/were so many morons on here, among the honest, taciturn and more thoughtful members.
    If DK is still alive and kicking with such clarity of thought, I wonder how many of the women in these pics are still around to reminisce?
    I grew up watching events unfold as a pre teen, not really understanding why it was such a major part of the nightly news coverage. By the time I left school in 69/70 it was starting to draw down.
    News at that time was heavily censored, unlike today, where everyone and his dog gets free rein to explore any wrongdoing. As Hugh says, we still haven't learned the basic lessons.
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    How very, very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    How very, very strange.
    The thread, the bump or my response?
    What confuses so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Vietnam should have served as a beacon why war should be avoided at all costs.
    Fair to say that all the major wars of the 20th Century should have served as a beacon for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    How very, very strange.
    The thread, the bump or my response?
    What confuses so?
    Ahh no your comment makes perfect sense (and it's a good thread actually, never seen it before).

    Just the bump mostly, and the bumpees comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
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    Ahhh, gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minty View Post
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    Vietnam should have served as a beacon why war should be avoided at all costs.
    Fair to say that all the major wars of the 20th Century should have served as a beacon for that.
    Which brings up a questionable point.

    Is war getting 'better' for those involved in it?

    I imagine it was a bit more traumatic in the trenches of WWI when the gases started being used.

    And when tanks first came along when the battlefields were still full of infantry.

    And when flamethrowers first started being used and you and your mates were being burned alive.

    For the allied forces at least, it seems to be a lot less traumatic nowadays when the majority of the forces are at quite a distance to those they are annihilating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minty
    For the allied forces at least, it seems to be a lot less traumatic nowadays when the majority of the forces are at quite a distance to those they are annihilating.
    Well ... if you discount most of the Afghan close quarter battle in tiny village bases .... yes

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