What age are Leuk krungs from the Vietnam war now?

[mrsquirrel]

I was trying to work out what age the Thai/American children are of the soldiers from the vietnam war are now.

Any ideas

[Fabian]

eh, about 30-40?

[mad_dog]

There are meant to be a "harkat" of luk krung swinging doors in Vietnam

[DJ Pat]

Glad my father isn't a American GI, though he is in many hi-class Thai's eyes!!!

[Thetyim]

I think US cleared out of Saigon in 1969, so the last one was probably born in 1970.

[lom]

Must have been later , mid seventies I'd say.

[friscofrankie]

^'75 more like it.

[Fabian]

^I agree

[NickA]

Told you this'd be a good thread Squirrel, better than all that scat anyway!

[mad_dog]

Vietnam was a great Jihad

[Thetyim]

Sorry have I got it wrong.

Did the US go in, about 68-69 then ?

[kingwilly]

American involvment in the Vietnam war finished in 1973 - Saigon was taken over in 1975.

Since the american build-up started in the 60's you've them being somewhere between 30-40.

But squirly - y the interest? wot r ur thoughts ?

[kingwilly]

the French were kicked out of Vietnam in the late 50's after the battle of Dien Bien Phu (spelling alert) - America moved in shortly after - dont know the exact year .... but i think they were certainly invovled by the mid 60's

[Fabian]

Vietnam war was 65 to 75 I thought.

[mad_dog]

There must be a fair few French/Vietnamese lukers about ...

[Marmite the Dog]

There must be a fair few French/Vietnamese lukers about ...

Here's one.

[mrsquirrel]

I was wondering how old the children of all those hoes were now.

How many of them are famous and how many of them are still rice farmers ableit whiter ones

[Thetyim]

A lot of them are darker ones

[Thetyim]

Vietnam war was 65 to 75 I thought.

Yes for ground troops but covert action started a lot earlier

[attaboy]

My uncle went with his helicopter unit in 1961. They flew ARVN troops out on missions.

[barbaro]

I was trying to work out what age the Thai/American children are of the soldiers from the vietnam war are now.

Any ideas

I hope you're not teaching math:

US Yanks were in 'Nam from '65 to '73

So....a child born in 1965 would be 40/1 and in 1973 age 33/4.

In between this range.


"Why you ask two dogs f*cking?"

[friscofrankie]

The french were in Vietnam since the late 19th century. This was probably the beginnig ot the "Vietnam War." The French, too weak to hold their own country, lost vietnam to the Japanese in '40-'41. THe Vietnamese ousted them (propabaly becasue the were n deep shit) in '45.
The Frenc then tried to reclaim Vietnam with very little success this is probably the reason for the communist sucesses in the North.
Before the french gave up the Ghost, the US was preparing to install the president/prime minister/puppet. The States actually acted as advisors fothe first en years or so, Eisenhower had us in there. keneddy excalated the "advisory" role and added some equipment and men. in '65 Johnson started sending boys in to "die for their country" sort of a half-assed atempt at a curbing the "red-menace." 'course he didin't wanna piss of hte red-menace and kick off WWIII so he limited the trioops abillity to wage war, more of a defensive line with no teeth. Similar to the Iraq situation (guess the Bush administration saw how well that limited commitment worked for us in the sixties). The last "cease fire" was agreed to in '73. The last Americans left Saigon in '75.
The french stayed a bit longer in Laos. The governement had no money to support the fellas there, this is were the tafficing and sale of opium & heroin to "support the war" started. Contrary to popular belief, the french were actively trafficing in opium and morphine base to support the war and not the CIA.
The French involment in heroin trafficing continued long after the french army quit. Well into the late sixties/early seventies.
So Mrs. Q, in case the math is too tough, there are "Vietnam War" Look Krueg in their 50s even early 60s. if you're after amerasian look krueng the majority are in their 40 - 30s. As the Vietnamese didn't take to the half-caste kids like Thais do; if they are rice farmers they got lucky. Be interesting to find out what happened to them.
Course, if you're wondering about them bangkok born look krueng born out of Vietnam combatant "R&R," they're probably among the many 30 - 40 something TV stars, and personalities you see nowadays.

[lom]

A lot of food in there frankie. CIA got their foot into Vietnam as soon as the
french left, that's in the middle of the 50's. And they were of course the last to leave in 75..

Contrary to popular belief, the french were actively trafficing in opium and morphine base to support the war and not the CIA.

CIA's drug trafficing in Thailand, Burma, Laos and Cambodia is well documented in senate hearings with ex CIA officers, and also verified if you read web pages from expat soldier pilots.
Many flights were carrying weapons up to the CIA recruited local army, thereafter bringing the harvest back to Bangkok or Saigon.
A help to the farmers so that they could spend time continue fighting instead of transporting their harvest.
CIA spent soo much more money on weapons and troops than what they were officially given.

They did the same in Bolivia and Nicaragua as well..

[friscofrankie]

THE French started the trade in hte 50's when they lost funding. CIA did not need money from drugs, are you kidding me? Did drugs get moved to placate the generals that had developed a dependance on the trade? Fuckin' A. Not gonna argue a losing battle tring to say the fuckers were boy scouts or didn't assist the folks to keep 'em focused on the fight. The money spent may not have been "official" but the drug trade couldn't make scratch on the budget. Using the drug trade to fund their activities? That's just too fuckin' laughable.
No doubt that it happened that a few folks profited personally as well. For the trade to produce an income that make a dent in the bufget for the "Secret War" the CIA would have had to taken part in state-side distribution. There is good money to be sure, but hardly enough to fund any war. The profit from a 100 tons of base, lesse after the genrals got their share (to keep 'em interested in the fight) then the base was sold to the french, there might be enough profit to buy a bomb or two. The french players in teh trade continued to profit from it long after the french military officially left. In fact a few frenc generals stayed on and worked with the US "forces." I would think to continue to profit.
The generals made enough cash to line their own pockets and buy a few followers. The funding for Laos came from the very deep pocket of the covert community in the 60's & 70's.
I am not saying the CIA wasn't involved in a major enabling role, They hardly used/took any income for financing the "war" The french did, The french really kicked the trade into high gear long before the CIA showed up on the scene. The availabilitiy of heroin to end users was elevated in the 50's and early sixties creating a demand that is now met by the Columbians and Mexicans.
No this was a precedent set by the Franch and the CIA could not engaged the locals if they ever tried to stop it or refused to help. The CIA just continued to use the trade to attract the Laotian generals (War-Lords , cute little left-wing name huh?). To think the CIA needed the minor league money from the traffic I really can't get over how funny that is.
Quiet as it's kept I think given the opportunity I would lined my own damn pockets. Was a window of opportunity there. Re-read the senate hearings and listen in knowing many of the "veterans" testifying did, in fact, profit personally.
The covert comunity had unlimited funds during the 50s and 60s when it came to fight the "Red Menace."
Same situation in Nicaragua. These guy don;t need no light-weight narco money . The folks selling the shit needed it to stay even remotely inerested.
Nicaraguans, "look man I really wanna fight but we need to sell out crop/product"
CIA, "OK, Man we can help you we got a plane goin' out"
Nicaraguans (to each other), "Stupid fcukin' Gringos, send some indians out with a gun or two let 'em die, we'll say we need more help, sned some peon ut to die, tell the CIA we need..."
There is much more profit in $3500 toilet seats than there ever was in coke or smack.

[lom]

Frankie, I initially replied to your statement that the US / CIA was not involved in drug trafficing, which they were.

I do know that it was inherited from the French but it doesn't make CIA less guilty, especially since it seems to be their standard way of operating.

And I never intended to say that the whole Vietnam war was financed by drug money. There were a lot of operations in neighbouring countries though (and especially in the golden triangle) which were not officially US sanctioned or where yankees could not be involved due to political reasons.

Small army groups of some houndred up to thousand of man were locally recruited and at least partly financed using drug money. I'm sure you can get a lot of info about it up there since ChangMai was the center where one famous CIA-boss supervised it and also deep-pocketed him self.


Some interesting links that I saved a year ago when stumbling across this
part of the Asian history:

http://ciadrugs.homestead.com/files/...-triangle.html

http://www.flashpoints.net/ArticleArchiveIndex.html

http://www.sentienttimes.com/03/aug_...3/heroinT.html

http://www.tlc-brotherhood.org/mem.htm