Thread: Global Warming - the Final Word

Robski, I thought you'd be cheering advocating the death of yet another American as you so proudly proclaimed yesterday. Surprising.

^^^ That mans' involvement only weighs merit to our sides' argument that there is a scam involved. His - & not only his - fingers are in the till, for sure.

Scam eh? Yeah well maybe. But, you have a new emerging class of Chinese, Indian, and others who also want the good life, also want SUVs, and their argument is that now that they have finally arrived, you want to snatch it from them and keep them supressed as usual.

Originally Posted by chinthee

you want to snatch it from them and keep them supressed as usual

They're suppressed by their governments or let down by regimes in their own country. What has that got to do with me?

I'm sure the last thing on their minds is saving the planet.

Originally Posted by Dr Zaius

Originally Posted by chinthee

you want to snatch it from them and keep them supressed as usual

They surpressed by their governments or let down by regimes in their own country. What has that got to do with me?

I'm sure the last thing on their minds is saving the planet.

Exactly. India and China rely heavily on coal power, with some of the world's largest reserves. Not exactly a clean fuel source. Meanwhile, affluence has arrived, and they want to enjoy it and will. The roads in China and India are clogged beyond belief. I know, I spend lots of time in both countries. But, they will not be denied.

Let the Europeans and Americans cut back. They're already enjoyed the good life. Not them.

Originally Posted by chinthee

Robski, I thought you'd be cheering advocating the death of yet another American as you so proudly proclaimed yesterday. Surprising.

Did I say American, did I mention America? er.... are you American?

China & India will get where they want to go, by hook or by crook, in the end.

Originally Posted by Robski

Originally Posted by chinthee

Robski, I thought you'd be cheering advocating the death of yet another American as you so proudly proclaimed yesterday. Surprising.

Did I say American, did I mention America? er.... are you American?

I have the luxury of having been born American but living my entire life everywhere else. I can see all sides of the arguments. Al Gore brought the spotlight to this issue, and was preaching to the Americans to modify their lifestyle chiefly as among his goals. Nothing wrong with that.

The issue needs attention. Experts can't agree on the causes yet. But, I suspect strongly that many of the causes are man-made. Having said that, how do you get the Americans to give up their God-given lifestyle? Same story with regard to the rest of the developed world to a lesser degree.

Meanwhile, the developing countries are feeling they came late to the party, and nobody will preach to them.

Originally Posted by Dr Zaius

^^^ That mans' involvement only weighs merit to our sides' argument that there is a scam involved. His - & not only his - fingers are in the till, for sure.

Oh yeh guilty as hell, no pulling the wool over your eyes eh Doc?

Originally Posted by chinthee

Originally Posted by Robski

Originally Posted by chinthee

Robski, I thought you'd be cheering advocating the death of yet another American as you so proudly proclaimed yesterday. Surprising.

Did I say American, did I mention America? er.... are you American?

I have the luxury of having been born American but living my entire life everywhere else. I can see all sides of the arguments. Al Gore brought the spotlight to this issue, and was preaching to the Americans to modify their lifestyle chiefly as among his goals. Nothing wrong with that.

The issue needs attention. Experts can't agree on the causes yet. But, I suspect strongly that many of the causes are man-made. Having said that, how do you get the Americans to give up their God-given lifestyle? Same story with regard to the rest of the developed world to a lesser degree.

Meanwhile, the developing countries are feeling they came late to the party, and nobody will preach to them.

So did I say American? or are you just trying to 'supress' me?

^ Don't confuse "supress" with "provoke"

Originally Posted by chinthee

^ Don't confuse "supress" with "provoke"

That's oppress you doofus!

Originally Posted by Robski

Originally Posted by chinthee

^ Don't confuse "supress" with "provoke"

That's oppress you doofus!

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I bet the dinosaurs were really POed about the Ice Age, too..

Only the really, really, long-lived ones

'Global Warming? What Global Warming!?!...'

Originally Posted by Dr Zaius

My bad.

You did say it, though. Makes us evens stevens.

I wasn't in the mood for an argument about Islam, .

What's your problem with islam, Kuffar? Angling for another fatwa, are you? Bin Laden said global warming was caused by Americans not being Muslims and that's good enough for me! All praise to Gore, the Lion and Sword of Climatology.

Originally Posted by chinthee

Originally Posted by Dr Zaius

Originally Posted by chinthee

you want to snatch it from them and keep them supressed as usual

They surpressed by their governments or let down by regimes in their own country. What has that got to do with me?

I'm sure the last thing on their minds is saving the planet.

Exactly. India and China rely heavily on coal power, with some of the world's largest reserves. Not exactly a clean fuel source. Meanwhile, affluence has arrived, and they want to enjoy it and will. The roads in China and India are clogged beyond belief. I know, I spend lots of time in both countries. But, they will not be denied.

Let the Europeans and Americans cut back. They're already enjoyed the good life. Not them.

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We're not talking about taking turns on the swing. If the party is over, the party is over for everyone. If we strangle our economies businesses will relocate. They'll take their wealth and knowledge with them if there are less regulated places (like China and India) to set up shop. We'd be enriching our competitors whilst diminishing ourselves.

During the summer I leave the windows open to cool the house. A black soot carried over from China settles on my window sills. China's economy grows at 8-12% a year. They can afford to install scrubbers on their smokestacks. Best to do it now while their economy is still hot.

In school I was taught that 90% of the US's swamps had been drained. Swamps are a source of methane gas. I wonder what horrific effect that has had on our atmosphere not having all that methane bubbling up and escaping into the air. The cows may have picked up the slack and saved us all.

There is climate change but not everyone can point to specific instances of this. In my line of work and with any other people that work the land they will say climate is changeing. Now here I am only speaking about the UK so cannot vouch for any other countries.

Last year for the first time in my horticultural career I was mowing grass throughout the whole year. Bushes and flowers dont know where they are and are blooming later or earlier whichever the case may be and some having two flowerings in the same year. I don't think that we have had a cold winter here for about 5 years now.

OK we have had a very unusual year this year, warm in Jan Feb and March, hot for April and part of May then the rains for a few months, which has meant bumper crops for those that could survive the rains. I could go on with numerous examples, but dont want to bore. Suffice to say that it does affect me in that I have to try and change all my schedules to try and keep gardens neat and tidy - but there aint enough hours in the day

Unforunately the powers to be (those in power and the wanna-bes) are all jumping on the band wagon of this global warning. Wanting to introduce new taxes for this or that and putting it down to making our planet greener. OK if the money that is raised is transparently used for measures against climate change, perhaps little would be said, but we all know that it is another stealth tax to line the coffers of the Government. Take the drastic increase in Passenger Flight Levy Tax which was doubled last year (or this), all on the idea of helping to make out country greener. What bollux, more like 'if the buggers can afford to fly they can give me some more money'.

OK rant over - just my 2ps worth

^ Methane is a far stronger greenhouse gas than C02.

Global warming/cooling is a natural process; the worry is that human activity is supercharging the current warming trend, and it's a fact that man-made greenhouse gases are increasing and indeed the planet is heating up. These are facts.

The long-term effects are indeed speculative, but continued species extinction is assured (polar bears, for instance; even Galapagos coral is dying as a result of warming phenomenon like El Nino) as well as warmer water powering stronger hurricanes and melting sea ice and raising water levels.

For better or worse, our grandchildren will find out what the long-term effects will be; we will be largely spared.

Interestingly, "global dimming" caused by airplane contrails may be masking the full effects of global warming:

Global dimming is the gradual reduction in the amount of global direct irradiance at the Earth's surface that was observed for several decades after the start of systematic measurements in 1950s. It is thought to have been caused by an increase in particulates such as sulfur aerosols in the atmosphere due to human action. The effect varied by location, but worldwide it was of the order of a 4% reduction over the three decades from 1960–1990. The trend reversed during the past decade. Global dimming has interfered with the hydrological cycle by reducing evaporation and may have caused droughts in some areas. Global dimming also creates a cooling effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases on global warming.

Global dimming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't believe we are contributing that extra umph to tip us past some point of no return. It will happen despite what we do either way. Having a clear conscious by acquiescing to new taxes isn't going to save us. If disaster is coming as quickly as they say it is, a person would have to be a fool to rely on the government to save their ass. I recommend owning property with a water source capable of sustaining yourself and the necessary number of family members needed to protect it.

here go - check this

Andrew Bolt

Thursday, September 13, 2007 at 08:51am




The Hudson Institute’s Dennis Avery and prominent climate physicist S. Fred Singer have combed through the global warming science:

A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that
1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that
2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun’s irradiance…
3) sea levels are failing to rise importantly;
4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer and milder with this warming as they did during previous global warmings;
5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees, birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine reality of changing climate.

Not that you’ve seen much of this research reported in the media, addicted as it is to catastrophe and the new faith.

Good article, KW.

cheers,

i've been well surprised at this sudden (ie last year or two) carry on re: global warming....

instead of spending billions of dollars tryign to prevent something that we may or not be causing and may or may not be able to do anythign about

we (humanity) should spend that money on dealing with any and all changes that do occur.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

instead of spending billions of dollars tryign to prevent something that we may or not be causing and may or may not be able to do anythign about we (humanity) should spend that money on dealing with any and all changes that do occur.

So you'd rather park the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. Leave it idling too I suppose?

no but instead of trying to level off all cliffs in the world, it might make better sense to buy a few extra ambulances and build a couple of addititional fences near those cliffs....