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yatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army
Calls for Muslim nations to unite militarily under messianic figure
Posted: August 17, 2009
9:18 pm Eastern

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WASHINGTON – Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei yesterday called on Muslim nations around the world to united militarily in response to the imminent coming of Islam's messianic savior – the Mahdi.
Khamenei, through his spokesman Ali Saeedi, specifically beckoned the nations of [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Turkey[/COLOR][/COLOR], Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran in preparation for the Mahdi's soon coming.
The purpose of uniting now, a report in Al Arabiya explained, is to fight Israel and the U.S. – seen as the two greatest obstacles to the coming of the Mahdi and the age of Islamic "justice" that would ensue.
"We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel," Saeedi stated. Saeedi also emphasized that the Iranian revolutionary guard possessed a special religious authority to prepare the way for the Mahdi.
Iran also recently concluded its fifth Annual Conference on Mahdism doctrine in the Iranian city of Qom, from which Shi'a Muslims believe the Mahdi will emerge.
"While the belief in the Mahdi has been widely held by Shi'a Muslims, it has taken on a dramatically more political tone in recent years since the election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad," explains Joel Richardson, author of a new book called "The Islamic Antichrist," which hypothesizes that Islam's prophesied Mahdi is one in the same as the Bible's Antichrist.

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Ayatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army
Calls for Muslim nations to unite militarily under messianic figure
Posted: August 17, 2009
9:18 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily


WASHINGTON – Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei yesterday called on Muslim nations around the world to united militarily in response to the imminent coming of Islam's messianic savior – the Mahdi.
Khamenei, through his spokesman Ali Saeedi, specifically beckoned the nations of [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Turkey[/COLOR][/COLOR], Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran in preparation for the Mahdi's soon coming.
The purpose of uniting now, a report in Al Arabiya explained, is to fight Israel and the U.S. – seen as the two greatest obstacles to the coming of the Mahdi and the age of Islamic "justice" that would ensue.
"We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel," Saeedi stated. Saeedi also emphasized that the Iranian revolutionary guard possessed a special religious authority to prepare the way for the Mahdi.
Iran also recently concluded its fifth Annual Conference on Mahdism doctrine in the Iranian city of Qom, from which Shi'a Muslims believe the Mahdi will emerge.
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"While the belief in the Mahdi has been widely held by Shi'a Muslims, it has taken on a dramatically more political tone in recent years since the election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad," explains Joel Richardson, author of a new book called "The Islamic Antichrist," which hypothesizes that Islam's prophesied Mahdi is one in the same as the Bible's Antichrist.
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According to Savyon and Y. Mansharof an Iranian scholar, "From the establishment of the Islamic Regime in 1979 to Ahmadinejad's rise to power in August 2005, Mahdism had been a religious doctrine and a tradition that had no political manifestation. The political system operated independently of this messianic belief and of the anticipation of the return of the Mahdi. It was only with Ahmadinejad's presidency that this religious doctrine has become a political [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]philosophy[/COLOR][/COLOR] and taken a central place in politics."
Mahdism is now increasingly being used as a political [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]tool[/COLOR][/COLOR] by appealing to the religious and nationalistic tendencies of various Muslims groups. This particular call for Islamic unity stands out because of its pan-Islamic, cross-sectarian appeal.
While many have assumed that the marked rise in fervor and devotion in recent years in Iran was primarily due to the influence of Ahmadinejad, this statement reveals that Mahdist devotion is also held quite fervently by Ayatollah Khamenei as well.
According to Al-Arabiya, Saeedi emphasized that obedience to the Ayatollah is the same as obedience to the Mahdi or the "guided one" – "who is the prophesied savior of Islam."
With news arriving this past week that Iran now has the capability to develop nuclear weapons, the Mahdist conference and this call for Islamic unity under the [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]banner[/COLOR][/COLOR] of the Mahdi takes on an added dimension of interest. Last year, one of the presenters at the Mahdist [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]conference[/COLOR][/COLOR], Dr. Mariam Tabar, asserted the, "military capabilities of the future Mahdist state depend on Islamic governments in the here and now acquiring abilities to stand against the enemies of the imam [al-Mahdi]."
Opening the conference this year, was Dr. Mahdi Mostafavi, the chairman of the Islamic Culture and Relations Organization, who spoke against the dangers and evils of Christian Zionism. "Putting an end to the tyranny and brutality" of Zionism is one of the basic goals of Mahdism, he explained.
Dr. Mostafavi also offered a wildly distorted version of the Christian end time narrative. Claiming that Christians are making efforts to bring about the Battle of Armageddon, he stated:
"In order to make this war happen they consider brutality, war and violence allowed and in their propaganda, they ask Christians and especially soldiers to create a situation for Jesus to reappear. These soldiers would be considered martyrs if they are killed in this way and would be in the circle of Messiah's Twelve disciples," Dr. Mostfavi explained.
"These evangelists try to reinforce their belligerent notion ideologically even by mentioning verses from Gospel. They start war in Afghanistan and Iraq, torture prisoners of war in detention camps like Abu Ghraib, and spread their doctrines throughout the whole world."
While the Christian narrative of the return of Jesus is one where Christians passively await a savior to deliver them from an aggressive [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]empire[/COLOR][/COLOR], Islamic narratives often portray Muslims as aggressively and actively pursuing Islamic world dominance, particularly over the nation of Israel.
This year, it was also announced that Iran will be establishing a University of Mahdism to train theologians and politicians, according to Richardson, who has been assembling details of the recent conference.
One speaker at the conference, Abdollah Adam Gaya from Nigeria, spoke about the need to export Mahdism to the West:

"[In order] to fight against the [Western] cultural invasion against Islamic Shiite values, we must also export the Mahdism culture to the West… Imperialist powers fear the growth of that culture and therefore they are after attacking it. …"

Gaya also explained that the vehicle of Mahdism was the most effective tool to unite not only all Muslim countries, but also the whole world:

"Propagating and defining the Mahdism Culture are the most effective steps in order to establish unity among Muslim Nations of the world because not only Mesianism and Mahdism are the common grounds for understanding between all Muslims but between all religions in the world," he added.

While some Muslims have emphasized the peaceful nature of the Mahdi's reign, many in Iran obviously disagree.
Adnan Oktar, a prominent Turkish intellectual and Sunni author has repeatedly emphasized that under the Mahdi; no blood will be shed, guns and weapons will be eliminated and any traditions which infer anything different are unreliable.
Others however have a very different view. In His work Imam al-Mahdi, the Just Leader of Humanity, Ayatollah Ibrahim al Amini, [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]professor[/COLOR][/COLOR] at the Religious Learning Center at Qom affirms Larijani’s comments, when he states, "The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed."
Richardson's "The Islamic Antichrist" has debuted at No. 1 on Amazon in two religious categories and held those positions for nearly two weeks.
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In "The Islamic Antichrist," Richardson, a student of Islam, exposes Western Christians to the Muslim traditions. He says most Christians have no idea of the stunning similarities between the biblical Antichrist and the "Islamic Mahdi."
Richardson's book stands in stark contrast to most other popular prophecy books of the last 40 years.
The student of the Middle East says that after decades of reading popular prophecy books and even best-selling fiction like the "Left Behind" series, millions of evangelical Christians around the world are expecting the Antichrist to emerge from a revived Roman Empire, which many have assumed is associated with the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union.
Not so, argues Richardson. His book makes the case that the biblical Antichrist is one and the same as the Quran's Muslim Mahdi.
"The Islamic Antichrist" is a book almost certain to be greeted in the Muslim world with the same enthusiasm as Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses." The author is prepared. He has written the book under a pseudonym to protect himself and his family.
"The Bible abounds with proofs that the Antichrist's empire will consist only of nations that are, today, Islamic," says Richardson. "Despite the numerous prevailing arguments for the emergence of a revived European Roman empire as the Antichrist's power base, the specific nations the Bible identifies as comprising his empire are today all Muslim."
Richardson believes the key error of many previous prophecy scholars involves the misinterpretation of a prediction by Daniel to Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel describes the rise and fall of empires of the future, leading to the endtimes. Western Christians have viewed one of those empires as Rome, when, claims Richardson, Rome never actually conquered Babylon and was thus disqualified as a possibility.
It had to be another empire that [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]rose[/COLOR][/COLOR] and fell and rose again that would lead to rule of this "man of sin," described in the Bible. That empire, he says, is the Islamic empire, which did conquer Babylon and, in fact, rules over it even today.
Many evangelical Christians believe the Bible predicts a charismatic ruler, the Antichrist, will arise in the last days, before the return of Jesus. The Quran also predicts that a man, called the Mahdi, will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. Richardson makes the case these two men are, in fact, one in the same.

These guys seem serious about this stuff. maybe we should be too.

Looks like it might mean more trouble to me, but what do I know.
I think all mussies should be killed, but if left alone they will kill each other, Saddam was doing his part until the USA run his ass off.
but if they will get the troops out of there and let them alone they will still kill hundreds a day.

Nah, it would never happen. Muslims are too widespread and disparate of country and cultures to ever unite under one 'banner'. The only real thing they have in common is a token nod to the same religion but then you've got all the different sects to contend with and just look at how well the Shi'a and Sunnis get along in Iraq!

Same would apply for Christianity, you'd never get the Catholics in the same room as the Protestants, or the Jehovah's with the Mormons long enough to decide on anything much less agree upon and unite around some central tenant or figure.

Omnipresent. Enemies. Boogieman.

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"Watching & Longing For the Return of Jesus Christ"

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The people that use scaremongering tactics like this article, actually pray for Armageddon to happen, so they can go meet Jesus. They scare me more than muslims do.

People praying doesn't concern me as much as people openly advocating vioence or blowing themselves up in crowded markets full of innocent people.

Carpet sorties would concern me even more.

Originally Posted by slackula

No, it doesn't. It is exactly the same apocalyptic garbage (albeit worded differently) spewed in every other book on the subject

Dug, as slackula mentions, you will find an Armageddon in most major religions . . .

The major fallacy, again, is that too many people thing that all Muslims think the same . . . which they don't

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by slackula

No, it doesn't. It is exactly the same apocalyptic garbage (albeit worded differently) spewed in every other book on the subject

Dug, as slackula mentions, you will find an Armageddon in most major religions . . .

The major fallacy, again, is that too many people thing that all Muslims think the same . . . which they don't

Moreso, they've been projected as the enemy to end all enemies. Once the seed is planted.....

I vote for a holy alliance of the Abrahamic religions uniting to crush all this far easterm mumbo jumbo before these chinks and asians get to big for their financial boots.

The christians have western global financial control. With the help of the islamic war-mongering legions and Israels unparalleled tenactiy in covert operations we have a chance to rend asunder the slitty-eyed heathens and bring about gods kingdom on earth as prophesied by much of the material which is common to the Torah, Koran and Bible.

^ may all your incense sticks turn out to be made of yak turds

"The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed."

with the spread of radical islam, and the inability of moderates to stop it, it is sentences like this that should be taken very seriously. our descendants 100 years from now will wonder how we could have ignored them as they face the threat of another holocaust.

Originally Posted by Looper

I vote for a holy alliance of the Abrahamic religions uniting to crush all this far easterm mumbo jumbo before these chinks and asians get to big for their financial boots.

The christians have western global financial control. With the help of the islamic war-mongering legions and Israels unparalleled tenactiy in covert operations we have a chance to rend asunder the slitty-eyed heathens and bring about gods kingdom on earth as prophesied by much of the material which is common to the Torah, Koran and Bible.

Tom Clancy has done this already.

Originally Posted by Dug

You're right, not all, but enough to be cause for concern I believe.

I share your concern, but not on a global level, rather a regionalised one where democratic values are either in their infancy or suppressed.

Originally Posted by Dug

Don't tell me you're not concerned for the future of the planet and humanity enough without these lunatics.

Honestly, I'm not. I come from a country that has deeply entrenched democratic values which will not be fundamentally altered by these lunatics, and lunatics they are.
I firmly believe that 'the good life' and western values will erode the fire-breather's children's or their children's venom.

Seems to me the muslim world can't even get rid of lil ol' Israel, don't think the world has much to worry about from the Mahdi's army.

"Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran" Only Shia Muslims believe in the hidden Imam, called hear the Mahdi, so it is not a universal call to all Muslims it is a sectarian call to Shiites who are mostly found in the aforementioned countries.

Originally Posted by taxexile

"The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed."

with the spread of radical islam, and the inability of moderates to stop it, it is sentences like this that should be taken very seriously. our descendants 100 years from now will wonder how we could have ignored them as they face the threat of another holocaust.

This is nothing new. Infact this is in the Koran 9.5, and has been preached from the time that their `divine book of guidance` was first brought into being. Just another rehype.

Originally Posted by taxexile

with the spread of radical islam, and the inability of moderates to stop it

Moderates are the only hope of stopping it, radicals (both Christian and Muslim), only hope is to fan the flames to fulfill their sick prophecies so as the globe burns they can sit back and say, "We told you so!"

Both groups of nutbags want to portray it as a religious war when it should be prosecuted as a criminal issue: Want to be a fundie muslim in Afghanistan? No problem go ahead. Want to be a fundie christian in the USA? No problem, go ahead.

Want to commit violent acts against those who disagree with you? Fuck you! You're going to jail, and don't expect your sky pixie to bail you out. You are not a martyr or a hero, you are a criminal and will be trated as one.

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Seems to me the muslim world can't even get rid of lil ol' Israel, don't think the world has much to worry about from the Mahdi's army.

There is the obvious. Lil ol' Israel is the favoured off-spring of the influential Uncle Sugar. As long as the elder is around and kicking....no one will mess with the chosen one.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

"Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran" Only Shia Muslims believe in the hidden Imam, called hear the Mahdi, so it is not a universal call to all Muslims it is a sectarian call to Shiites who are mostly found in the aforementioned countries.

Just though I'd quote this again as it's the only factual and reasonable response in the thread. Ok, that's done, back to the regular fear and ignorance.

"The Mahdi" by AJ Quinnel is a good yarn - the CIA or whoever put their own "Mahdi" in place and thus try and control the extremists.
was written back in 1981