Australian Stuck in Thai Jail

**good2bhappy** · 31-12-2008, 05:12 PM

except they don't burn them, just leave them to rot in the dungeons

**0bsidian** · 31-12-2008, 05:14 PM

horrible law.

nearly exceeded in its stupidity by those falang caught up in it.

bkkandrew · 31-12-2008, 06:31 PM

^But that's the point, anyone, you included, could be cuaght up in it on the say-so of, well, anybody!

**0bsidian** · 31-12-2008, 06:51 PM

the man claimed the crowned prince did murder(s) to cover his philandering.

he didnt use a pseudonym. wrote the book in thailand and returned

after publication for additional work and/or a holiday.

horrible law -- but this guy is a fool.

**nidhogg** · 01-01-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by 0bsidian

horrible law -- but this guy is a fool.

Its funny (strange) and I don't know why, but so many foreigners in Thailand seem to think they are, not above, but outside the law maybe. That such laws as there are will not be applied to them. Its right across the whole spectrum of behaviour of foreigners in Thailand. Hence the shock and outrage when the laws ARE applied I suppose.

On edit: I suppose it lays a whole new grounds for defense pleas : your honour, my clients is invoking the "We did not think you were serious" defense.

**terry57** · 01-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by spiff

So, you are also an 'expert' on Australian customs and immigration officers' conduct?

Not that this comes as a surprise...

The Australian custom officers do not mess around purely because of the risk to our Island by muppets bringing in disease that could decimate our countries crops.

If one watches the show Border Patrol it proves that they are effective in stopping the majority of food products that fools continue to try and bring in.

The Asians are absolutely contemptuous of our laws and continue to push the envelope bringing in food, its no wonder the customs play hard ball with these people as they deserve nothing less.

The bottom line is that if you are straight up and have nothing to hide you will have no problem entering Australia, its the muppets that start to cry when asked a few questions that raise suspicion and are then shaken down.

To suggest Australian customs is over the top is absolute bolliks, do the correct thing when entering and its kosher.

**terry57** · 01-01-2009, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

^But that's the point, anyone, you included, could be cuaght up in it on the say-so of, well, anybody!

Cant see your point, the rules are clear, the guy knew the rules but still went ahead and penned his personal opinion, he now pays the price for being a smart arse and pushing the boundaries.

So be it.

**terry57** · 01-01-2009, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by 0bsidian

horrible law -- but this guy is a fool.

Its funny (strange) and I don't know why, but so many foreigners in Thailand seem to think they are, not above, but outside the law maybe. That such laws as there are will not be applied to them. Its right across the whole spectrum of behavior of foreigners in Thailand. Hence the shock and outrage when the laws ARE applied I suppose.

On edit: I suppose it lays a whole new grounds for defense pleas : your honour, my clients is invoking the "We did not think you were serious" defense.

I like this post, it says, " when in country play the game live by there rules and all will be good. "

What is so hard about this concept ?

Absolutely nothing.

**Repubblicano** · 01-01-2009, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by terry57

I like this post, it says, " when in country play the game live by there rules and all will be good. "
What is so hard about this concept ?

Spelling, I guess

**Jools** · 01-01-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Repubblicano

Originally Posted by terry57

I like this post, it says, " when in country play the game live by there rules and all will be good. "
What is so hard about this concept ?

Spelling, I guess

Unfortunately, Republicano, some of the most heartless and least compassionate posters feel at home on this forum. The concept of "real justice" is still something that escapes even westerners. Items such as "punishment fitting the crime" "do unto others" etc. these fall by the way rather quickly when they bump up against "expediency" and other words which my ale-clouded brain can no longer process with much efficiency. Bravo, me laddie.

**spiff** · 01-01-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jools

some of the most heartless and least compassionate posters feel at home on this forum.

Oh, the irony...

**0bsidian** · 01-01-2009, 11:11 AM

jools seems to have morphed from a reasonably intelligent poster into a lactating whiner. to you give xian missionaries eaten by headhunters your valuable pity as well?

**panama hat** · 01-01-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by spiff

Originally Posted by Jools

some of the most heartless and least compassionate posters feel at home on this forum.

Oh, the irony...

Yes, Jools the lover of all religions

**terry57** · 01-01-2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by 0bsidian

jools seems to have morphed from a reasonably intelligent poster into a lactating whiner.

More than likely a God botherer and shirker of responsibility unable to stand behind his principles.

In other words, OH its not my fault, it must be yours.

Foking bollicks to that matey, stand up straight and be counted.

**bor** · 01-01-2009, 01:07 PM

Reporters sans frontières - Thailand

Here's the latest on lese-majeste laws in an article from Reporters Without Borders. It follows calls from members of the new government to toughen up lese-majeste laws and a decision to block more websites referring "inappropriately" to the Thai monarchy. Also the head of the army has called for the military to monitor the internet for insults against the Royal Family.

**panama hat** · 01-01-2009, 01:20 PM

^ Don't you just love progress . . .

**yatesy2** · 01-01-2009, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by yatesy2

Disagree but obviously have no understanding of you experences and interactions, and thats a very broad brush stroke 'general behaviour and attitude'.

My "experiences and interactions" have been nothing apart from the norm I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by yatesy2

As initally stated have had numerous dealings professionaly and find their approach far from this

I have been to Australia dozens of times and as a foreign national I stand by my description of Australian Customs and Immigration officials 100%.

Originally Posted by yatesy2

I was ticked off by brother forgetting to check 1ltr of scotch into checked baggage which was subsequently conviscated in Phuket

That was your mistake though.

Originally Posted by yatesy2

and the roles protrayed on show are but one function performed, and if you belive reflective of day-to-day activity you may as well put those James Bond novels in the Non-fiction section also

I think the shows are pretty accurate given my experience dealing with these people.

Are you yourself Australian? If you are, possibly your inability to take on board my critical description is the usual Aussie failure to admit fault, or perhaps it is because the very fact you are an Australian citizen you would have little idea how foreign nationals visiting your country are treated on arrival by your uniformed countrymen?

This is clearly going nowhere. You mistake my curiosity for lack of ability to accept criticism, and then stereotype me on the basis of a simple question....presumptuous to say least, and typically arrogant. I merely felt “Authoritarian” a rather strong description, from MY OPINION and left you to yours, however 3 posts later and you still fail to identify what I felt may have been some specific experience or underlying reason for such a strong term i.e. I was strip searched for a concealed banana or they searched my iPod for porn, made me pay all the Duty on my cigarettes, refused my VISA or I was deported on Terrorism charges or something. But nothing, aside from general aspersion based on a few trips through the gate and a TV show, and truly if you believe anything Channel 7 shows, you’re clearly in the dark my friend. If you want the true media I’d suggest you try here http://www.customs.gov.au/mediaReleases
My opinion is based on years of involvement in commercial shipping and brokering, the facilitation training between staff, IT support received, and assistance, advice provided and interactions with foresaid organisations, personal interactions etc. along with numerous trips through the gate, and more than well aware of how foreign nationals treated don’t worry. And ‘Authoritarian’ is simply not a word I’d use, and happy to stand corrected but presume shared by majority not the outspoken minority.
An earlier post you gripe about fact as a Brit you get questioned quite allot, (and without stereotyping you with the quintessential traits of your typical POM) this could be more due to the fact that ‘your countrymen’ are the worst offenders when it comes to overstaying their VISA, (you can research that cause I can’t be #*&%, but its fact, http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-02.html ). Or perhaps the questioning is more a result that presumably as residing long term in Thailand your common route is BKK – AU, or maybe you just look dodgy. Obviously if you got nothing to hide you have no problem. The other point is that as a tourist the majority of laws being enforced by these officials (and stands for all Aust/UK/US etc.) that you would be being subjected to are community protection, and anti terrorist initiatives there for “YOUR” benefit and the rest of the communities, ie. These LAGS (liquids, aerosols and gases) restrictions now in place are as result of a failed Terrorist Attack on British flights where the IED was liquid explosive. And whilst UK is a target unfortunately the rest suffer as a result of these actions.
I think you will find that largely the Australian Community (irrespective of their residency or citizenship status!!) has a higher respect than you share for those who defend the nation and the community, be these armed forces, police, and would extend this to Customs, Immigration and those who pin Dole Bludgers to maintain quality of life enjoyed by most. THAT, is more my point.
But simple solution, if you don’t like it... Don’t GO
So as I came to this thread more interested in these laws of Lese majeste, rather than to get wound up in someone else negative perspective of the world. I’ll leave it at that,
I hope your Happy Holiday experiences are more to your standard in future.

**yatesy2** · 01-01-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by spiff

So, you are also an 'expert' on Australian customs and immigration officers' conduct?

Not that this comes as a surprise...

The Australian custom officers do not mess around purely because of the risk to our Island by muppets bringing in disease that could decimate our countries crops.

If one watches the show Border Patrol it proves that they are effective in stopping the majority of food products that fools continue to try and bring in.

The Asians are absolutely contemptuous of our laws and continue to push the envelope bringing in food, its no wonder the customs play hard ball with these people as they deserve nothing less.

The bottom line is that if you are straight up and have nothing to hide you will have no problem entering Australia, its the muppets that start to cry when asked a few questions that raise suspicion and are then shaken down.

To suggest Australian customs is over the top is absolute bolliks, do the correct thing when entering and its kosher.

Thankyou

**yatesy2** · 01-01-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

^But that's the point, anyone, you included, could be cuaght up in it on the say-so of, well, anybody!

Cant see your point, the rules are clear, the guy knew the rules but still went ahead and penned his personal opinion, he now pays the price for being a smart arse and pushing the boundaries.

So be it.

I just wonder why this case hasn't got the hype an attention the Corby one did?? Perhaps because the claim of innocence with Schapelle, where as this guy clearly did it. Still he faces lengthy term in fairly harsh circumstances.... for a a paragraph in a book!

bkkandrew · 01-01-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by bor

Also the head of the army has called for the military to monitor the internet for insults against the Royal Family.

Great - their own citizens are being burned alive in Bangkok nightclubs, armed border disputes rumble on, the economy stands at the abyss, beheadings, bombs and shootings are a way of life in the South, but the military efforts of the country should be focused on 'monitoring the Internet' for perceived sleights to the monarchy...

**spiff** · 01-01-2009, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by yatesy2

I just wonder why this case hasn't got the hype an attention the Corby one did??

He hasn't got big tits. And no drugs involved - boring.

bkkandrew · 01-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

^But that's the point, anyone, you included, could be cuaght up in it on the say-so of, well, anybody!

Cant see your point, the rules are clear, the guy knew the rules but still went ahead and penned his personal opinion, he now pays the price for being a smart arse and pushing the boundaries.

So be it.

Completely wrong Tel - any person can make a police complaint of lese majeste against anyone else. You will be then arrested and have to plead your case for bail, regardless of the baselessness of the allegations. It has happened numerous times for reasons of political attack/expediency.

Still feel immune to this?

**Jools** · 01-01-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by spiff

Originally Posted by Jools

some of the most heartless and least compassionate posters feel at home on this forum.

Oh, the irony...

No irony at all. Compassion for the innocent and deserving but none for murderers, terrorists and religious fanatics who kill and maim to serve their "god". Those deserving compassion include writers, whose assumption of fair due process compel them to submit manuscripts to government and crown officials with the expectation of a "yes" or "no" answer, rather than an open-ended prison sentence. The Spiff/sTroller version of compassion is that reserved for those who commit violent crimes. Quite a difference if you look at it with clear vision. I am accused of "prejudice" and "racism" for my comments concerning murderous religious zealots. No reasonable man, anywhere, seems to demand "compassion" for homicidal criminals unless they operate under the banner of religion or are classed as some kind of "refugee". Bad points, faulty logic.

**Jools** · 01-01-2009, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by spiff

Originally Posted by Jools

some of the most heartless and least compassionate posters feel at home on this forum.

Oh, the irony...

Yes, Jools the lover of all religions

If religions lived up to their advertising ("Allah the merciful and compassionate") there would be no problem. They don't. None of them. They exist to extract cash from their witless adherents. That said, if I had to choose, I believe I would rather sit at the table with a soft-spoken vicar of the C of E, than a mad mullah who believes that all problems cease when the last Jew expires.

**bkkpirate** · 27-01-2009, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by kingwilly

erm, whole thread already about this issue mate.

I can't find the thread that was started in September when Harry was first arrested.

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