Thread: Why do Democrats tell so many lies?

Since we're talking about whoppers here's the entire article about Joe's story. It's a terrible story all around. Terrible that he lost his wife and child. Terrible that the other driver carried the thought with him for the rest of his life. Why would Biden lie like this? He's been caught at it before so he knows what the consequences are. What is wrong with this guy?

I couldn't publicly before audiences, so that it is reported worldwide, dump my pain on Mr Dunn by calling him a drunk driver. It's been 35 years since the accident. Biden is still using the story. Biden has a new wife and a new life. Does he bother to think how this makes his wife feel? I can't imagine reminding her of his previous marriage and it's tragic end.

Biden's not simply a politician who fudges the figures or doesn't fully disclose the story. He smeared another man's name and caused his family great pain as the lie Biden told was spread via The New York Times, National Public Radio and The Economist. Those news outlets aren't the National Enquirer, though the television show Inside Edition is close. This guy's family has to live with the shame created by Biden's lie about their father. How are they supposed to explain to the world that Biden's story isn't true?



1972 crash still haunts driver's family

No DUI in crash that killed Biden's 1st wife, but he's implied otherwise

Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Biden's 2007 statement that a "guy who allegedly ... drank his lunch" and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction.

Alcohol didn't play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audienceat the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver "stopped to drink instead of drive."

The senator's statements don't jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing.

"To see it coming from [Biden's] mouth, I just burst into tears," Dunn's daughter, Glasgow resident Pamela Hamill, 44, said Wednesday. "My dad was always there for us. Now we feel like we should be there for him because he's not here to defend himself."

Biden spokesman David Wade said Wednesday that the senator "fully accepts the Dunn family's word that these rumors were false."

It's unclear who first suggested alcohol was a factor in the crash, but since Barack Obama tapped Biden to be his running mate on Aug. 23, The New York Times, National Public Radio and The Economist have run stories that characterized Dunn as a drunken driver.

"The rumor about alcohol being involved by either party, especially the truck driver, is incorrect," said Jerome O. Herlihy, a Delaware Superior Court judge who was chief deputy attorney general and worked with crash investigators in 1972.

"If it were some part of a cause of the accident, there would have been a charge, simply because if you're driving under the influence and kill someone in the process -- whether it's the wife of a U.S. senator or anybody else -- there's going to be a charge," he said.

Herlihy said investigators discussed several possible causes for the crash, including that Biden's first wife, Neilia, turned her head and didn't see the oncoming truck as she exited the intersection of Limestone and Valley roads on Dec. 18, 1972.

Neither Biden's book nor his campaign Web site directly addresses the alcohol issue, but the senator has done so publicly on at least two occasions.

The New York Times reported the 2007 crowd at the University of Iowa grew silent as Biden gave his version of what happened that day.

"Let me tell you a little story," The newspaper quoted Biden as saying. "I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly -- and I never pursued it -- drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries."

Biden told a similar story when addressing an audience at the Bob Carpenter Center at the University of Delaware a few days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit a tractor-trailer, hit my children and my wife and killed them," Biden said, according to a transcript archived on his Senate Web site.

Even before Obama asked Biden to join his campaign, political observers said the senator's gaffes could be a liability in a contest where every word will be scrutinized. Biden's first presidential campaign 20 years ago was undone by charges he plagiarized parts of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock.

Asked about Biden's accounts of the accident, Wade warned against writing anything that would "infer, paraphrase, or be anything less than precise on such a personal and tragic subject."

After the 1972 accident, Biden never sought any records from the time of the crash, nor did he seek any further investigation, Wade said.

"In remarks he made at the University of Iowa he said 'allegedly -- and I never pursued it.' " Wade wrote in an e-mail. "Nor did he encourage reporting on it then or at any other time. He has never called it or thought of it as anything other than an 'accident.' His focus was his grief over the loss of his wife and daughter and his concern for the recovery of his sons."

News reports from 1972 said Neilia Hunter Biden pulled away from a stop sign at Limestone and Valley roads about 2:30 p.m. when the tractor-trailer driven by Dunn, which was coming down a hill on Limestone Road, hit the side of her station wagon. Dunn freed himself from the truck and was the first to reach the Biden car, according to a report by the The Evening Journal, a precursor to The News Journal.

Neilia Biden and 13-month-old daughter Naomi, whom the family called Amy, were declared dead at a hospital. Son Beau, now Delaware's attorney general, broke his leg, and son Hunter suffered head injuries. Joe Biden, who had been elected to his first term in the Senate just a month before, took his oath of office at the boys' bedside.

Two days after the crash, Herlihy, a neighbor of the Bidens in the late 1960s who still considers the senator "a friend," told the paper that there was no evidence that Dunn "was speeding, drinking or driving a truck with faulty brakes." No criminal charges related to the crash were ever filed against Dunn, who lived in North East, Md.

Hamill, one of seven children, was 8 years old at the time of the accident. She remembers her father watching news reports of the crash while wearing a sling to support a shoulder injury he suffered in the accident.

She said Dunn was always "solemn" around the Christmas holidays. Years later, when her brother planned to get married on Dec. 18, Dunn told the family "I don't celebrate on that day," Hamill said.

"We're not trying to equate Sen. Biden's loss to my father's heartache," Hamill said. "But we wanted it to be known that our father never forgot that tragic day."

Hamill said it wasn't until the Inside Edition report that she became aware that the Delaware senator had said alcohol played a role in the accident. Dunn did not consume any alcohol the day of the crash, Hamill said.

She said she immediately called Biden's office after being contacted by Inside Edition and is waiting for the senator's response.

"The family feels these statements are both hurtful and untrue and we didn't know where they originated from," Hamill said.

As Hamill watched a recording of the Inside Edition report Wednesday, she gasped when the clip of Biden's comments from Iowa came on screen.

After reading a News Journal account of Biden's 2001 speech at UD, Hamill sent Biden a letter on behalf of her father. The newspaper story included Biden's description of getting the call that his wife and daughter had died, but not his comments about Dunn.

Hamill said her note to the senator described how Dunn was affected by the accident.

Printed on the senator's letter head and dated Oct. 11, 2001, the response from Biden reads:

"I apologize for taking so long to acknowledge your thoughtful and heartfelt note," Biden wrote. "All that I can say is I am sorry for all of us and please know that neither I nor my sons feel any animosity whatsoever."


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Originally Posted by attaboy

Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Biden's 2007 statement that a "guy who allegedly ... drank his lunch" and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction. Alcohol didn't play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audience at the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver "stopped to drink instead of drive." The senator's statements don't jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing. "To see it coming from [Biden's] mouth, I just burst into tears," Dunn's daughter, Glasgow resident Pamela Hamill, 44, said Wednesday. "My dad was always there for us. Now we feel like we should be there for him because he's not here to defend himself."

You must be a real coward to lie about a dead guy. Real low thing to do.

Yes, the article clearly exposes that Democrats tell so many lies. Thanks Attaboy.

This is because the extreme left is made up of atheists and anarchists without morals. It is not surprising that people who justify the mass-murder of unborn babies would be liars as well.

Thanks for the new thread, Atta. Don't expect the libbies to post tho. Like the lefty press, they have double standards -- oh, it's OK for Biden to gaffe coz he's been around sooo long and he can't make all those speeches without a few forgotten or mistaken items. Try that with Palin.

Not a lie, just a bit of plagiarism on Obama's part. From a speech:

“John McCain says he’s about change, too. And so, I guess his whole angle is, ‘Watch out, George Bush. Except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics … we’re really gonna shake things up in Washington,’” Obama said during a rally Tuesday in Lebanon, Va.

As it turns out, Toles’ cartoon in The Washington Post last Friday depicted McCain addressing the White House with the caption: “Watch out, Mr. Bush! With the exception of economic policy and energy policy and social issues and tax policy and foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments and Rove-style politics, we’re coming in there to shake things up!”

Obama Repeatedly Quotes Cartoonist While on Campaign Trail - America’s Election HQ
Oh, after using the line for a few days, Obama finally attributed the line after The Post called his campaign about it.

^^

atheists and anarchists without morals

I think that's what they call moral relativism. Whatever suits them at the moment. They're very fluid. You might even say slippery.

Thank you for your contribution khun spiff. Though you did not cite any specific lies, your overall assesments are spot on and ring true like the Liberty Bell!

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Thanks for the new thread, Atta. Don't expect the libbies to post tho. Like the lefty press, they have double standards -- oh, it's OK for Biden to gaffe coz he's been round sooo long and he can't make all those speeches without a few forgotten or mistaken items. Try that with Palin.

Yes, this is exactly what all the "libbies" who do not post in this thread think. No doubt about it. LOL

Not a lie, just a bit of plagiarism on Obama's part.

You got that right. Still googling for an actual lie, are you? LOL

‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’

Thank God almighty that Republicans are pure and clean and never lie,the very moral foundation of the world..as long as you believe in the "right" god.
The bastion of integrity .

Garye, not unlike khun spif you have not specifically posted any Democrat lies, but your over all assessment hits hits the mark.

Pick your prize from the lower shelf.

Just some pop corn please! You know... real corn that's been heated and the hot air inside the coronal's(sorry kernel's) expands and then ...boom...popcorn.

Originally Posted by spiff

This is because the extreme left is made up of atheists and anarchists without morals. It is not surprising that people who justify the mass-murder of unborn babies would be liars as well.

Many Republicans are pro-Choice, and several Democrats are 'Pro-Life'.
Thankfully, your party of choice has not been totally hijacked by religious Loons.
And Democrats are Extreme Left?

Anyway, I correctly guessed this Thread would follow my Republican lies thread.
I will follow it with interest.

^ Good one. The Democrats have funded the war. Despite being up in arms over FISA they have voted to extend it. The Democrats are in power and FISA is still in place. Did the Democrats ever do anything about water-boarding? I don't remember.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Biden's first presidential campaign 20 years ago was undone by charges he plagiarized parts of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock.

Just shows that he is a complte idiot, who the christ would plagiarize anything Kinnock would say!!!!

"Just shows that he is a complte idiot, who the christ would plagiarize anything Kinnock would say!!!!"

People who agree with him, obviously.

Quote taken from Republican lies topic.

Their (Republicans) significant lies are to make them appear less conservative than they are- because the associated policies are not popular with the Electorate. It has been shown over and again that most people do not want social security privatized, do want health care reform, do not want an aggressive foreign policy and so on.

Let me follow this mumbo jumbo with my own. Democrats are more commie red than they wish people to realize. Take Barney Frank's quote for example:

‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’

He wants to assure people there is nothing wrong while he and other Democrats are busy like termites eating away at the foundations of America's institutions and and it's economic and governmental systems. The banking system is in trouble now and the US government is taking ownership of AIG. This is what the commie Democrats want. They are close to achieving their goal; income redistribution and proof that the modified capitalist system is a failure. Busy red termites.

(Congressional representative Maxine) Waters responded, in part, "And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. …"
The congresswoman paused to collect her thoughts.
"Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …"

Are the Oil companies next on the termites' list?

Ya right. Vive Les États-Unis. Go get a real job Maxine, and tell your constituents to do the same.

Why is it that everyone of em caught with his hand in the cookie jar is found innocent when he see's he is caught and pulls his hand out with no cookie and then everything is supposed to be forgotten,

White House: Daschle Had 'Tax Issues,' Shouldn't Bar His Cabinet Confirmation - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

Snigger, snigger, now the 'commie' (for gods sake) lefties are in control!

^
Temporaraly my dear...only temporaraly.
btw, did you see your ex-PM recently received the Presidential Meldal of Freedom from George W. Bush?
Quite an honor, eh?

What ya talking about Lily?
We got our own Darkie now, damn betchum.

well why not take a look at this banned, outlawed copywrite film in Canada then as you can not see it in USA.

How in hell did this DINGBAT get elected in the first place!!

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Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing
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Paul Pelosi, Nancy's husband, owns $17 million dollars
of Star-Kist stock.

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from
$5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the
increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage.
This would make Del Monte products less expensive than
their competition's.

Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed,
Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33
million dollars for an 'economic development credit in
American Samoa '.

Pelosi has called the Bush Administration
"CORRUPT" ? ?

^ I hear her being called President Pelosi now.