Thread: Another lovely Muslim tradition defended.

There are 3 references to intoxicants I think

I like the traditional idea of the dark eyed houris and ginger wine in paradise.

Is it hard to convert on your deathbed?

Originally Posted by cujo

Originally Posted by panama hat

Racist?

That proves that you really know nothing. Troll somewhere else, Jethro.

By using the word 'goy' you categorize me by race (or religion actually) Depending on the tone in mind when you wrote it it could be deemed insulting
just as the word jew or gwei lau could be insulting depending on the tone.
Perhaps you're not as smart as you think.

Nice try, Trailer Park Boy . . . oh, religion, or in this case, language, does NOT denote race.

goy - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry:goy Pronunciation: \ˈgȯi\ Function:noun Inflected Form(s):plural goy·im \ˈgȯi-əm\ also goysEtymology:Yiddish, from Hebrew gōy people, nation

Definition

Goy Lit. nation. A non-Jew, that is, a member of one of the other nations. There is nothing inherently insulting about the term; the word "goy" is used in the Torah to describe Israel.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhh hhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put the mask back on, Jethro. For the love of God, put the mask back on!!!!

Definition

Goy Lit. nation. A non-Jew, that is, a member of one of the other nations. There is nothing inherently insulting about the term; the word "goy" is used in the Torah to describe Israel.

You just made my case.

The caring for orphans is another tradition which is commendable.

Originally Posted by cujo

Definition

Goy Lit. nation. A non-Jew, that is, a member of one of the other nations. There is nothing inherently insulting about the term; the word "goy" is used in the Torah to describe Israel.

You just made my case.

I called you a non-Jew? And that is deemed racist? Do you have any brains at all? can you differentiate between race and religion? Ah, you can't, can you? You just can't twist and turn out of it, mate.

Read what you quote, Jethro, or didn't your Trailer Park High do a good job with that?

The caring for orphans is another tradition which is commendable.

Indeed, commendable.

I like the traditional idea of the dark eyed houris and ginger wine in paradise.

Ginger wine can give you gas, however . . . but then if you've done the right thing it won't matter! Hmm, dark-eyed houris? That'll do nicely.

Is it hard to convert on your deathbed?

A soul gained is a soul gained - I believe you can, and you don't even need to be circumcised!

I called you a non-Jew? And that is deemed racist?

You are really showing your ignorance now - you, you non-coloured, non-Muslim, non-vegetarian non-American!

Take that!

can you differentiate between race and religion

What a joke.

Originally Posted by spiff

You are really showing your ignorance now - you, you non-coloured, non-Muslim, non-vegetarian non-American! Take that!

Hey! Thems fightin' words! Oh, hang on - they are compliments. Umm, green on the way for you!

Originally Posted by cujo

What a joke.

Yes, you are . . . but then so is your mullet, trailer park boy.

I think a Jewish person would say it is a word best avoided in modern times because it carries a historical tone of 'not like us' in a judgmental way. It can be used as slang. Saying 'not one of us' is not the same as saying gentile or non-Jew.

I think it's possible to find a whitewashed definition of the word to suit this argument. The thing to do is ask Jewish people what they think and listen for an honest answer.

Is the word Goy offensive? | Frum Satire | Jewish Comedy

Originally Posted by attaboy

I think it's possible to find a whitewashed definition of the word to suit this argument. The thing to do is ask Jewish people what they think and listen for an honest answer.

True, attaboy. The definitions were the first two in the dictionary . . . and I grew up with lots of Jews. As I mentioned before, my Godmother, and the Godmother of my first daughter are Jewish . . . . and I'm a goy . . .



Egads, that means Trailer-Park-Boy and I have something in common.

What's this I see, a can of worms....
lets open it.
JewishEncyclopedia.com - GENTILE:

Gentiles - and the Bible 3, 16, 20 - as non-human 16 - wine touched by 17 - cast into a pit 17 - issue that of a beast 17 - people like an ass 17 - no property rights 18 - no rest !8 - goring one's ox 18 - cheating the Gentile 18, 20 - lawsuit with 18 - must suffer 18 - teaching Torah to 3, 19 - gentile babies defiled !9 - robbery, stealing, murdering of 20

Index of The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today - Elizabeth Dilling

Originally Posted by attaboy

I think it's possible to find a whitewashed definition of the word to suit this argument.

Oh dear, trailer-trash-boy. Looks like you fell exactly into what attaboy said . . . did you hurt your brain looking for something like this?

Simple trash.

Other 'words' by Elizabeth Dilling:

The Plot Against Christianity

Elizabeth Dilling (Stokes) for all of her life equated Marxism, Communism and Jews as the same. She accepted without question the scurrilous forgery, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and argued that Henry Ford stopped distributing them because of the pressure of Worldwide Jewry and those allied with them against evangelical Christians.

She was, with other ultra-conservative Evangelists, a Nazi sympathizer, albeit one who should not have been brought to trial on charges of sedition along with a sizeable group of pro-Nazi ultra-conservative evangelicals. A member of the greatest generation, she wasn't, speaking for support of the Nazi antisemitism. One of her associates was known as the Jayhawker Nazi.

The book might have value for researchers in to hate literature.
There is a conflict between the beliefs of the conservative evangelicals and other Christians. It isn't new. But no one would want to believe that this anti-semitic screed is endorsed by anyone other than the Ku Klux Klan and the Neo-Nazis. She continued her hateful crusade against Judaism after the Holocaust. There is a kind gentler religion, but it was alien to this heartless hater who is just beginning her eternal roast.

Couldn't put it better myself

To quote someone like thus to support your futile argumentation makes you the lowest piece of shit on this forum. Are you going to now change your tune like the last time and plead innocence or ignorance?

I wasn't far off withe the KKK remark, was I Jethro?

You hate Arabs, you hate Jews etc . . . Trailer-Park trash

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by Dalton

^ I know, there are many muslims in Denmark there eat pork and drink beer, great bunch of guys.

Alcohol is debated, but if they eat pork, I would say they are not Muslim, but just telling people that they are.

I love it when people tend to act like scholars of Islam and actually they know next to nothing.

Milky, who the hell said alcohol is debated in Islam?? It is very straight forward...."NO ALCOHOL" that's it.

Now some with brains almost the size of their nuts are gonna come up with something like, " Then why do Muslims drink?"

The answer is, they drink because they like to get drunk. It has got nothing to do with Islam and when they drink they should consider into their calculations that they are going against their religion.

You hate Arabs, you hate Jews etc . . . Trailer-Park trash

Assuming for one moment I did hate Arabs (don't know where you got that idea), and Jews, (or that) how would it make me 'trailer park trash'?

Originally Posted by machangezi

Milky, who the hell said alcohol is debated in Islam?? It is very straight forward...."NO ALCOHOL" that's it.

Macha, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Koran (or perhaps it was the teachings of the Prophet) say something to the effect that alcohol can be used for both good and bad, and that the bad effects outweigh the good?

Since it were the Arabs who first discovered distillation of alcohol, surely they must have seen the practical uses of it (apart from a means of getting shitfaced, that is!). Surely a Muslim is allowed to used alcohol for say medical purposes (such as sterilizing) or for fuelling his/her car in the form of gasohol.

What I find puzzling is that I have met very few Muslims (less than a dozen) who will eat pork, but find that a significant percentage of them will drink alcohol. Considering that the religion specifically forbids alcohol, but permits the eating of non-halal food under certain conditions (if it is done without knowing, in case of hunger, etc.), I presume this must be a personal choice rather than a strict interpretation of the religion per se.

I think the whole attitude towards it is a lot more easy going in Asia than in the M.E.

^ Hi Jethro, how's the trailer park?

Originally Posted by Milkman

But I have met Muslims, sitting in a bar, drinking beer. I never talk about it, but they brought up religion, life, sports, whatever. And these Muslims I have met drinking said the Koran states it's OK to drink, but not OK to get drunk. So they drink.

I always thought that to be the case as well, so I asked one of the lawyers in out office, who has done the Haj and is very well read . . . he pretty much said the same. Drink, but don't get drunk . . . but not drinking is better.

Pork is a no-no . . . and he said that was an antiquated concept, but because the Koran doesn't get revised it is still there . . . ok, doesn't hurt not to eat pork = no biggie.

Had a long chat about Islam practising idolatry with the Chairman and above lawyer . . . the Chairman is a bit of a shit-stirrer and likes to have discussions like this .

I like Malaysians . . .

Originally Posted by panama hat

I like Malaysians . . .

So do I. "Practical" Muslims!

First, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then it was said alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (2:219)
Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91).
So originaly it was not forbidden! It is just that the believers blew it and turned up at Friday prayers pissed once too often.