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    Whats a qualified teacher?

    I am

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    If you give any relatively educated native speaker an exam in english they will pass it at native level. Most of us can produce language that is nearly (but not completely) flawless. Either this is true or every English exam in the world is flawed.

    We can all use the most complicated grammar that exists in the English language. We often just might not know the name of it until we study it a bit.

    King Willy your "proof" was one person's opinion on the training in LANGUAGES and there was no specific mention of English.

    If "we" fail to know aspects of the language necessary for language learners EVERY CHILD BORN in the US, UK, etc. would be unable to speak English. Laughable when you think about it....
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    And if you lock a child up in a closet for the first 6 years of life, never to speak to him/her, they will never acquire a language. Why do you suppose that is?

    A child's instincts start to develop in the womb. They are: 1) sucking 2) griping. Then, 3) speech 4) fear of falling. Some schools of thought even attribute 3 and 4 as prenatal.

    If "we" fail to know aspects of the language necessary for language learners EVERY CHILD BORN in the US, UK, etc. would be unable to speak English.
    Aspects like dangled participles? Mark Renton and his mates (trainspotting) would have a Hell of a time explaining things to me, but amung themselves they did just fine. Maybe I misread that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    If "we" fail to know aspects of the language necessary for language learners EVERY CHILD BORN in the US, UK, etc. would be unable to speak English.
    What nonsense.
    The ability to manipulate a language has nothing to do with the understanding of the structure of said languge.
    How many people can drive a car?
    How many people are mechanics.

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    ^^^^^^ Mr Stretch.......

    Excellent post. We come from similar backgrounds and what you say echoes my own thoughts. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel Toe
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    maybe you should learn how to spell among!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    If "we" fail to know aspects of the language necessary for language learners EVERY CHILD BORN in the US, UK, etc. would be unable to speak English.
    What nonsense.
    The ability to manipulate a language has nothing to do with the understanding of the structure of said languge.
    How many people can drive a car?
    How many people are mechanics.
    Thats just silly. If you want to compare autos to language, we are able to fully assemble and disassemble a car, we must might not be able to name all the parts. Now we are not necessarily talking about the least educated who use strong local dialects or never were fully capable of writing that 10-pge report in 10th grade.

    By the way, how many languages do you speak, how well do (did) you speak them and who taught you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    By the way, how many languages do you speak, how well do (did) you speak them and who taught you?
    Do you really want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    By the way, how many languages do you speak, how well do (did) you speak them and who taught you?
    Do you really want to know?
    Of course I want to know because those of us who have studied multiple languages might have some unique perspectives.

    For me I have some competency the following languages:

    Spanish, 3 years in High school by a US-qualified teacher. Ability: I can count to 10 and know a few simple words.

    Cantonese: 18 months self study. Fluent.

    Mandarin: 3 years university with US-qualified teacher. Ability: Upper Beginner.

    Thai: ZERO study hours. Ability: Lower Intermediate.

    There is info of significance in this and it has shaped the weay I teach.

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    Hmm.

    Don't think I'm really bothered at the moment. It's 02.00
    Time for some horizontals.

    Maybe catch you later.

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    I am not getting AMUNG this one again; I hate making QUALIFIED SLAGDOG MONGERS look stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    Of course I want to know because those of us who have studied multiple languages might have some unique perspectives. For me I have some competency the following languages: Spanish, 3 years in High school by a US-qualified teacher. Ability: I can count to 10 and know a few simple words. Cantonese: 18 months self study. Fluent. Mandarin: 3 years university with US-qualified teacher. Ability: Upper Beginner. Thai: ZERO study hours. Ability: Lower Intermediate. There is info of significance in this and it has shaped the weay I teach.
    Can you please find a mutual masturbation forum?

    Oh, sorry you are in one...I got lost; I forgot TeakDoor had a teaching in Thailand section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld View Post
    i think some of the curent threads have, in my opinion, some very poor analogies about teaching and qualifications.

    I spent 13 years of my life studying general subject matter with "qualified" teachers. Then I went to university and all of my teachers were apparently "unqualified" because they had never studied Education, just specialized in their field of study. That went on for the rest of my education, right through my MBA (which,according to some websites, I really do not have lol). Some of these teachers were horrible in the classroom. But they were experts in their field of study. They could have REALLY sued some teacher training, though.

    Now, lets take a look at the poor TEFLers you guys like to disparrage so often.

    All of us natie speakers are experts at the English language. Our usage level is Native and completely fluent.
    Apart from one, it seems, eh, Brucey-baby?


    And if we have any kind of decent education we should be able to spell and string together a sentence or two.
    Apart from one, it seems, eh, Brucey-baby?

    Believe it or not, we are experts in English language compared to the rest of the world.
    Doesn't say much for the rest of the world, then if you are any example. NO wonder TEFLers get a bad name if your writing is anything like those 'courses' you peddle to the unsuspecting.

    Stick to flogging them, cause you sure shouldn't try to teach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld View Post

    They could have REALLY sued some teacher training, though.

    Now, lets take a look at the poor TEFLers you guys like to disparrage so often.

    All of us natie speakers are experts at the English language.
    Of ocurse not.

    expereinces
    Kinda shot down your own argument there mate.
    if you look in a dictionary (its a big book with lots of words) you might find there is a difference between TYPO and MISSPELLING.

    Oh when trolls resort to typo flames.....

    Nah, nah, nah. I've unfortunately read many of your hubris-laden posts and believe me, these are not typos.

    You are not as literate as you seem to think you are - quite the opposite, in fact.

    And pathetic ripostes such as 'if you look in a dictionary (its a big book with lots of words)' just demonstrates what a pathetic no-hoper you are. You should try reading one yourself one of these days. It might stop you looking such a c-u-n-t.

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    How pathetic would one’s life have to be to spend it searching various internet forums looking for spelling and grammar mistakes to point out? Fuck, get a life dude, put your red pen down, no one is paying you to be little Johnny grammar teacher here.

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    I think he is making a point beyond pointing out the grammar errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by good2bhappy View Post
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    maybe you should learn how to spell among!
    Be kind to the lexdystic.

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    ym poloegias

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    Don't worry about any 6-year-old children you might have enrolled in our school, 600k from BKK, where there are 53 per class, no AC, no resources, and they can't read nor write. I do numbers, colours, animals, fruits, and what's your name. But you could write the admin a letter outlining your concerns about the backpacker they have employed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceveld
    If "we" fail to know aspects of the language necessary for language learners EVERY CHILD BORN in the US, UK, etc. would be unable to speak English. Laughable when you think about it....
    I'm sorry, but does idiocy just spew from your mouth and fingers when you wish to communicate? This is as stupid as your OP.

    As you, poorly, pointed out we native speakers don't have to know the intricacies of grammar in order to speak the language correctly. We also don't need to know those same intricacies, nor how to impart them to a second or third party in order to teach language to a child.

    Let's take a deep breath and think...eh? If you ask a three-year old child, "Have you eaten lunch, yet?" The child is apt to reply, "No, I haven't." The child doesn't know that it has responded in the the first person negative in the Present Perfect. You may not know that you've asked a question in the same verb tense...your lack of this knowledge does not preclude the child from learning from you.

    What are you smoking?

    The only thing laughable is your attempt on this thread to talk like you know anything about imparting language to learners and the process attached to it.

    Oh...BTW...2 years of high school Spanish with a non-native...intermediate.
    I also speak Western African Criolu fluently, Brasilian Portuguese fluently enough to never need a dictionary or translator, a smattering of Malay, Thai and Korean.

    I understand what it takes to learn a language...and in doing so I understand what it takes to teach effectively.

    You, on the other hand, seem to sit in an office rather than in front of 30 or 40 students to determine what is needed by us teachers.

    I laugh at you...hear me? I laugh at you.

    Hear me laughing?

    What an idiot.

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    ^ Very well said. Can't be bothered myself.

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    I am not getting AMUNG this one again; I hate making QUALIFIED SLAGDOG MONGERS look stupid.
    So then I could search all your 1080 posts and not find an error, eh noob? Or does a person who claims to be a teachers not make errors? You anal, petty, white trash, ignorant piece of shit. Oh no! I think he's going to red me again! Fcukin girl!

    Go on, make me look stupid. Give it the ol' chav Clockwork Orange go.

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    It is a pity you have to use in print the bad words ,Mister Fixit of my language.

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    Teaching, huh? Lemme say just a few words which you are NOT GONNA FIND in your average ESL classroom:
    1. REPUBLICANS SUCK They will fool you with religion and other ENORMOUS LIES to confuse your simple brain while they rob you of your culture and any resources which happen to be laying around. They will tell you it's 'God's will' and GLOBALIZATION IS GOOD. They will forget to mention that it's only good for the rich and will leave you struggling to make ends meet while paying taxes and interest to a cabal of JEWISH BANKERS.
    2. BEWARE AMERICANS They came here from a decadent, porn-ridden society BUILT ON GUILT AND BULLSHIT!
    3. TREASURE YOUR OWN Your culture is at least as good as any other on this planet. Don't let them steal it from you and leave you watching re-runs of GILLIGAN'S ISLAND or SECOND RATE NEWS brought to you live from the ZIONIST CONTROLLED PRESS which amounts to professional brainwashing.
    4. LOOK AT HISTORY And find that the only people who really profit from 'advancing democracy' are the scumbags who OWN DEMOCRACY as it relates to you. If three million dead civilians in Vietnam don't wanna make you give your head a shake, then you really are 'inferior.'
    5. PRAY FOR CANADA We are right next door to the CHOSEN FEW and if we were to assert our rights to an independent country they would bomb our socks off before breakfast and march in in the name of 'Freedom and Democracy.'
    6. DON'T BLAME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE They are as much the victim as anybody else of their corrupt government and Israeli owned media. Most Americans you meet are just as nice and decent as anybody else in this veil of tears we call 'civilization.'

    That's it, I guess. Of course they will never publish this on this site but I feel better for venting anyway.

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    wrong thread. post your poo in the correct thread and you will find support. unfortunately, folks in this thread can read.

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