New Honda Jazz - A fantastic car all round

**peterpan** · 27-07-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Smeg

because their personality doesn't do it alone.

Should be a must have for YOU then Smeggy.
Wheres the photo of these (imaginary) friends? Or did you not rent a camera for your trip?

**AntRobertson** · 27-07-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by peterpan

Is a classy Merc tho, something your crap little rented Jazz [ even the name makes my ass hole pucker] will never have.

I had a bmw (my first car) back when ant was still riding his bicycle to school.

So what you're saying is that you're older than me then. Wow, great! You're so cool Smeggy.

There is nothing "classy" about mercs, bmws etc these days. They are simply for people who want to show that they are something special by spending money because their personality doesn't do it alone.

If personality were anything to do with it then you'd be driving around on a plank of wood.

**Rigger** · 25-08-2008, 04:37 PM

Picked up the missus new Jazz last friday and we are pretty happy with it. For starters Honda were so much better to deal with compared with Toyota. As for the car it self plenty of leg room and space and the car handles well at 140 klm for the long trips, the little 1.5 V-tec engine pulls strong and screams out to 7k with out to much fuss. Comes with paddle sift, CD USB and some handy cup holder things, Auto, Free glass tint
Anyway a great little car for the money

**good2bhappy** · 25-08-2008, 05:09 PM

sounds great for a second car

**TizMe** · 25-08-2008, 05:18 PM

I'm 191 cm. Will I fit in in a Honda Jazz?

**Travelmate** · 25-08-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by TizMe

I'm 191 cm. Will I fit in in a Honda Jazz?

Yes you will

**Travelmate** · 25-08-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

sounds great for a second car

Sounds great for a City car.

**EmperorTud** · 25-08-2008, 07:26 PM

I looked at the new Jazz but seeing as my g/f needs to learn to drive I opted for a second hand car. We found a nice Yaris with a manual gearbox which is good as she'll need to learn to use a clutch.
We'll keep it for a year or two until she's competent then trade up.
There's not much between the Jazz and the Yaris now the Honda has had a facelift either.
Nice 1.5 powerplants in both, the VTec and the VVT-i in the Toyota which are more than adequate for such a small car. Get the suspension lowered and a set of fatter tyres on them and you've got yourself a great little go-cart that is surprisingly quick, quiet, pretty economical and more importantly, fun to drive.
Having driven the CVT-7 automatic in the Honda, while fun, really didn't do anything for me, I still prefer a manual and if you're a decent driver, the quicker choice.

**Smeg** · 25-08-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Sounds great for a City car.

Why go on what it sounds like? try one, and you'll be very pleasantly surprised. I drove one for around 1000 kms last month on all types of roads. I had not one complaint, and I'm a guy who normally drives above average size cars.

**Smeg** · 25-08-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

We found a nice Yaris with a manual gearbox which is good as she'll need to learn to use a clutch.

Why? A clutch is about as primitive as sticking your arm out of the window instead of using the indicators. Does she need to learn how to do that?

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Having driven the CVT-7 automatic in the Honda, while fun, really didn't do anything for me, I still prefer a manual and if you're a decent driver, the quicker choice.

Half of my cars have been manual, the others auto. For more agressive fun driving, manual is better, but for easy relaxed refined driving, give me a good auto anytime. I must be getting old!

I wish that all bangkok taxis were auto. I went in a new model corolla auto taxi last night. It was so smooth, and lets face it, thai taxi drivers don't know the meaning of smooth gear changing to give their customer a comfortable journey.

**EmperorTud** · 25-08-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Smeg

A clutch is about as primitive as sticking your arm out of the window instead of using the indicators.

A manually operated clutch gives full control over the speed of the engine, something an automatic or semi-automatic cannot do.

Better she learns the manual first then auto will be a cinch.

There's a time and a place for an automatic or semi-auto, and a small hatch isn't it.

**Smeg** · 25-08-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

A manually operated clutch gives full control over the speed of the engine, something an automatic or semi-automatic cannot do.

Better she learns the manual first then auto will be a cinch.

Yuo have a good point, and I'm glad that I learned in a manual 21 years ago, but I presume the majority of Americans never learn how to use a manual and seem to get around the place perfectly ok, hence having "full control" over the engine speed, although nice, isn't essential, and engine braking (which the CVT-7 can do) should be avoided.

**EmperorTud** · 25-08-2008, 11:07 PM

^ I drive like a race car driver and downshift all the time when braking. Old habits I guess. It also optimises acceleration if traffic starts to flow again. It also sounds cooler.

Modern drivetrains should cope with constant engine braking all the time anyway and I'd argue it is even better and less strain on the clutch as the gears are matching the revs.

**dirtydog** · 25-08-2008, 11:24 PM

Brakes are cheaper to use up than engines, using your engine to slow down leaves you with one hand on the steering wheel so in a potentially dangerous situation.

**Marmite the Dog** · 26-08-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Having driven the CVT-7 automatic in the Honda, while fun, really didn't do anything for me, I still prefer a manual and if you're a decent driver, the quicker choice.

I would've thought that a transmission that utilises torque or peak power better would be quicker than a transmission that goes through low power/torques rev ranges? It doesn't feel as quick, I admit, but it makes more sense that it would be.

**Smeg** · 26-08-2008, 12:48 AM

^Honda have this sussed. The traditionalists don't like it, but I was a boy-racer back in the 1980s and I found the CVT-7 good to drive. It is impressive enough to make me realise that changing gears and using a clutch is more of a chore than a pleasure, and you can spend the time saved on enjoying the vehicle's other dynamics.

**dirtydog** · 26-08-2008, 12:57 AM

Yeah but if you want to drive a bit fast you got to keep your car in the 4,500rpm and up range.

**Smeg** · 26-08-2008, 01:04 AM

^CVT-7 has a sports mode that helps the VTEC engine to do that.

**Rigger** · 26-08-2008, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Yeah but if you want to drive a bit fast you got to keep your car in the 4,500rpm and up range.

For sure with the jazz it feels like a motorcycle engine with all the power way up in the rev range

Originally Posted by Smeg

^CVT-7 has a sports mode that helps the VTEC engine to do that.

Sports mode I havent seen this button yet where is it ?

**Rigger** · 26-08-2008, 07:07 AM

Auto transmissions are a lot more reliable than manual transmissions due to the fact that they have a lot less moving parts. The fasts cars in the world are auto and there is no way in the world you can change gear manually as quick as a modern auto can. As for learning how to drive I would much rather my wife concentrates on the road and the other vehicles than trying to change gear

**good2bhappy** · 26-08-2008, 08:43 AM

^ LOL
Every time my wife changes gear she also pulls on the steering wheel.

**Whiteshiva** · 26-08-2008, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Got to agree. After having driven both recently, I found the City/Jazz is miles better than the Camry.

I feel sorry for Camry drivers. Twice the price, half the fuel economy, and less precise handling. Not much more space either.

As a Comry driver/owner, I beg to disagree. I wouldn't dream of taking my family of 5 (including baby stroller and luggage) on a road trip in a Jazz. I am extremely happy with my Camry, and fuel economy is not really a big issue for me. Comfort, safety and space on the other hand are.

Originally Posted by Smeg

But of course, they gain face by driving the entire contents of their bank account around for everyone to see.

What - a mere 1.5-1.6 million baht? You seem to forget that we're not all English teachers, Smeg.

I think you will find the people who have stretched their budget to buy a car are many of the Merc and BMW drivers - IMO Camrys are driven by people who can afford better, but think a Camry offers better value for money.

I may pick up a Jazz for the wife one day, now that she has been driving for 4 years without causing an accident. The thing is she seems rather attached to her Avensa...

**Travelmate** · 26-08-2008, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I found the City/Jazz is miles better than the Camry.

Hmm, really. I don't think so. But I can say this. There are more women driving Jazz, thus suggesting it to be a car suitable for one of female attire. The Camry are driven by men. Real fuckin men. Know what I mean. The one that makes proper decisions. Like at a Toyota Showroom having a look with your significant other. She coos over the Jazz, squeezes your dick and say honey buy this Jazz it much better than the Camry.
No way! Money going on a Camry. That way people will see me as a professional not some squirt. As when I pull into a carpark the guard will give me the better space. The Jazz he will just fuck it off round the back. Where it belongs.

Originally Posted by Smeg

I feel sorry for Camry drivers. Twice the price, half the fuel economy, and less precise handling. Not much more space either.

Yeah right, say that again when a 10 wheeler crushes you from behind. Space, you are full 'o' shite. Camry being touted as having one of the more spacious cabin in the market.

**Marmite the Dog** · 26-08-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

As a Comry driver/owner, I beg to disagree. I wouldn't dream of taking my family of 5 (including baby stroller and luggage) on a road trip in a Jazz.

Of course. But as a driver, the city is miles better.

Originally Posted by Rigger

Sports mode I havent seen this button yet where is it ?

On the old models there was an 'S' on the auto selector.

Originally Posted by Rigger

Auto transmissions are a lot more reliable than manual transmissions

Not the CVT unfortunately. Honda have been having reliability problems with higher mileage cars. I also think that's why they don't put it in their bigger cars. It's a shame really, as it is the by far the best transmission when compared with manual or standard auto types.

**Marmite the Dog** · 26-08-2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Hmm, really. I don't think so. But I can say this. There are more women driving Jazz, thus suggesting it to be a car suitable for one of female attire. The Camry are driven by men. Real fuckin men. Know what I mean. The one that makes proper decisions. Like at a Toyota Showroom having a look with your significant other. She coos over the Jazz, squeezes your dick and say honey buy this Jazz it much better than the Camry. No way! Money going on a Camry. That way people will see me as a professional not some squirt. As when I pull into a carpark the guard will give me the better space. The Jazz he will just fuck it off round the back. Where it belongs.

Well if image is so important to you that you want to spend twice as much money to buy a barge, then that's your choice. As a driver's car the smaller Hondas piss all over the Camry (which is one of the dullest, most gutless cars I have ever driven).

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