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Originally Posted by sabang When you add the moral issues, the loss of prestige, the dubious legality, and the obvious hypocricy of all this to the fact that the people detained in Gitmo have been minor pawns, and all too often innocent anyway- Do you really think GITMO has been worth it Atta?
Add to all this the cost of Gitmo, and the ongoing legal bills- wouldn't it have been better just to have used good old fashioned Constitutional due process? What started out as an expedient short cut is turning out quite the opposite. |
Minor pawns? How did you come to that conclusion? They have been moving people in and out of GITMO. Innocent? Do you mean people who may have had a disagreemet with their neighbor who then turned them in as terrorists? It says alot about the treachery over there doesn't it? That's the kind of lies we must sort out.
And to think some people think it's fine for the US to pull out of Iraq and leave the Iraqi army to call in US air strikes for support. I can see it now; a whole family killed because three days before they haggled with a soldier over the sale of a used pickup truck. More civilian deaths blamed on the USA. That's the route Obama wishes to take us.
US troops fight in uniform. Enemy combatants don't. EC must be clearly defined. There hasn't been a clear definition and the rights of the EC and the rules by which they can be held have not been established. It's something the US government has never had to seriously consider before. They are not criminals and they are not POWs. The court system is determining the defintions and rules. That's how our system works. We are a nation of laws. Woe to those living in interesing times. They are helping to establish precident.
Policy has changed and adapted to the the times. Detainees are bringing lawsuits and if a court determines they were wronged they will be compensated. That's how it works. No one ever said democracy was streamlined and cheap.
I don't think any of us will know the value of GITMO for decades. The struggle with terrorism is going on for the rest of my lifetime. Who knows when information will be released which doesn't compromise ongoing investigations and missions?
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Originally Posted by attaboy Which western countries? The UK a person can be held for 28 days without charge. Proposed to become 54 days.
The Italian judge ruled there was enough evidence to keep Amanda Knox, a 20 -year-old studying abroad in the central Italian city of Perugia, and the two men behind bars for up to one year without charge as the investigation continues into the Nov. 1 slaying of Meredith Kercher. Local News | UW student implicates boss | Seattle Times Newspaper | As lysander's already pointed out, neither instance bares comparison to Gitmo. I wasn't answering lysander. I was answering your claim that western nations have due process and habeas corpus. I cited two examples. I could find more exceptions to the general rule of law in western nations, I'm sure. In fact the Italian ruling is for a simple murder case. That tops GITMO. Quote: |
I haven't missed the point. Wild maniacs flew two planes into the Twin Towers killing 3000 people. We are dealing with a new class of warriors. The president went gung ho on the Taliban for harboring the treacherous and murdering masterminds and their minions. Now that the dust has settled we are sorting things out.
| Ok, and how does Iraq and detainees from Iraq fit into that picture? Our courts are defining a definition of EC and what rights they should be allowed while being detained as well as for how long hey can be detained. See my above post in answer to sabang. Quote: |
The judicial branch of government is determining the degree at which the executive branch can prosecute the war. Our system works. Woe to people caught up in exciting times.
| Again, easy to say the 'system works' when you're not one of the ones that have been caught up in it. What do you think someone held without charge for several years would say to your claim that the 'system works'? Some if they were required to think about it would be grateful they werent killed at some point. Some if they were required to study our system of government would be grateful it was the hospitality of the USA they endured. If the system didn't work people would be wondering where they went. Quote: |
I got a question. How much money should should Osama's personal driver and flunky get for being touched by a female interrogator? What would be just and fair?
| Doesn't strike me as a very genuine or sincere question. His lawyer brought it up as an example of his mistreatment. According to his customs he was mistreated. Interregators should be aware of the intricacies of a detainess customs, the intracacies of the habits which a person has grown to be comfortable with and the interregator should avoid ofending or confronting those customs. His customs dictate that it was cruel of them to touch him as he is a righteous religious man. Should he be made whole on this grievance? |