Thread: Guantanamo disgrace... show your stories here.

Originally Posted by Texpat

^ ahem.... still shouting from the street corner?

A bit old ain't it? You any closer to gettin' Omar sprung?

Good luck.

And you're still contributing nothing but snarky, pointless, little comments, quelle surprise.

One day you might wake up to find that you have had your rights taken away from you Tex. Then you'll be desperate for someone to speak up on your behalf. Anyone.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

One day you might wake up to find that you have had your rights taken away from you Tex. Then you'll be desperate for someone to speak up on your behalf. Anyone.

I think he is waiting for that day actually, will remind him of the good times he had while he was in the service,

Nah, I stay on the right side of the law.
Clean as a Boy Scout.

You play with fire you're going to get burned. Pretty simple. These terrorists are using the laws of a land they've never been to to try to twist free.

Ain't gonna work.

^ newsflash, they won already, and will probably try again

probably did already, but your government didn't report it

[quote=Texpat;696997]Nah, I stay on the right side of the law.
Clean as a Boy Scout.
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Not every Boy Scout is clean Texpat :
"Killer Boy Scout

Police say Maryland Boy Scout killed parents, 2 brothers, then staged discovery of their bodies."

Originally Posted by Texpat

Nah, I stay on the right side of the law.

What are you doing in Thailand then??

Originally Posted by Texpat

Nah, I stay on the right side of the law.
Clean as a Boy Scout.

You play with fire you're going to get burned. Pretty simple.

I said your rights taken away from you, nothing to do with staying on the 'right side' of the law.

It's already happening. You, as an American citizen, have less rights today than you had 7yrs ago. Imagine what the next 7yrs could bring.

These terrorists are using the laws of a land they've never been to to try to twist free.

Ain't gonna work.

That statement betrays so much more than you'll ever understand.

I have no time for this filthy muslim scum and even less time for wooly minded communists. Have you ever seen the films of these glorious martyrs descending like a pack of wolves on a bound and helpless non muslin and joyously cutting his head off.
It is war!
Wake up and stop beinmg treacherous pussies

Yawn.

Originally Posted by paulsmithson

I have no time for this filthy muslim scum and even less time for wooly minded communists. Have you ever seen the films of these glorious martyrs descending like a pack of wolves on a bound and helpless non muslin and joyously cutting his head off.
It is war!
Wake up and stop beinmg treacherous pussies

Went to the zoo in KL today - met some really lovely kids over here in Malaysia for a vacation - three girls and a boy (their parents were chilling in the shade by the lake) were playing with our kids and doing the pony rides, chasing pelicans and getting all sticky with melting ice cream, photos were taken, e-mail addresses exchanged with our eldest - lots and lots of fun.


They are from Oman . . . fucking Muslims, filthy Arab scum.






(The last sentence completely sarcastic,of course- just to show people like PaulSmithson what a complete loser he is)

Originally Posted by panama hat

They are from Oman . . . fucking Muslims, filthy Arab scum.

Prolly woolly minded commies as well.

Originally Posted by panama hat

The last sentence completely sarcastic,of course- just to show people like PaulSmithson what a complete loser he is

i accidentally greened the idiot Simpson.

can someone red him for appalling racist please.

Being of a certain religion or nationality isn't a problem.
Being a para military on a battlefield, tossing hand grenades is.
Well, that's not really a problem either unless you get caught.
Then, you're screwed.

If I was in Afghanistan a few months after 9-11, near an Al Queda camp, hanging out with a bunch of heavily armed guys trying to kill westerners -- well, it's a gamble isn't it?

Your day at the zoo sounds very nice PH.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by panama hat

They are from Oman . . . fucking Muslims, filthy Arab scum.

Prolly woolly minded commies as well.

Nappy-headed...well, we won't go there.
Big difference between the 'Muslim on the street' and your dyed-in-the-wool terror-monger there paul...

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

can someone red him for appalling racist please.

I will if you green me

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by attaboy

It's tough for individuals caught up in the net but that sort of thing happens everyday everywhere, as I said.

That's an easy thing to say, from the freedom of your keyboard.

Besides which most democratic nations have due process and habeas corpus to ensure that you can't be arbitrarily detained or that, if you are, you have the right to face your accusers and the accusations against you.

Due process is there for a reason and dates all the way back to 1217 and the Magna Carta. Dismissing that so whimsically and easily is not a road that should be travelled.

Which western countries? The UK a person can be held for 28 days without charge. Proposed to become 54 days.


The Italian judge ruled there was enough evidence to keep Amanda Knox, a 20-year-old studying abroad in the central Italian city of Perugia, and the two men behind bars for up to one year without charge as the investigation continues into the Nov. 1 slaying of Meredith Kercher.

Local News | UW student implicates boss | Seattle Times Newspaper

Originally Posted by attaboy

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by attaboy

It's tough for individuals caught up in the net but that sort of thing happens everyday everywhere, as I said.

That's an easy thing to say, from the freedom of your keyboard.

Besides which most democratic nations have due process and habeas corpus to ensure that you can't be arbitrarily detained or that, if you are, you have the right to face your accusers and the accusations against you.

Due process is there for a reason and dates all the way back to 1217 and the Magna Carta. Dismissing that so whimsically and easily is not a road that should be travelled.

Which western countries? The UK a person can be held for 28 days without charge. Proposed to become 54 days.

It's actually proposed to be 48 days and it won't happen. Our unelected old-fartish House of Lords will make sure of that. Even if 48 days were to become law
it doesn't bear comparison with 6 fookin years in Gitmo.

The Gitmo supporters seemed to have missed the point that the detainees are being held on foreign soil by the US government purely so the US government can escape giving these detainees their legal rights under their own US law.
It makes a mockery of the USA claim to be defending freedom and justice.

I haven't missed the point. Wild maniacs flew two planes into the Twin Towers killing 3000 people. We are dealing with a new class of warriors. The president went gung ho on the Taliban for harboring the treacherous and murdering masterminds and their minions. Now that the dust has settled we are sorting things out. The judicial branch of government is determining the degree at which the executive branch can prosecute the war. Our system works. Woe to people caught up in exciting times.


The GITMO people are getting their lawyers and they are going to sue. I hope they are all US lawyers so 40% of any settlements stays in the USA.

I got a question. How much money should should Osama's personal driver and flunky get for being touched by a female interrogator? What would be just and fair?

When you add the moral issues, the loss of prestige, the dubious legality, and the obvious hypocricy of all this to the fact that the people detained in Gitmo have been minor pawns, and all too often innocent anyway- Do you really think GITMO has been worth it Atta?

Add to all this the cost of Gitmo, and the ongoing legal bills- wouldn't it have been better just to have used good old fashioned Constitutional due process? What started out as an expedient short cut is turning out quite the opposite.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Which western countries? The UK a person can be held for 28 days without charge. Proposed to become 54 days.


The Italian judge ruled there was enough evidence to keep Amanda Knox, a 20-year-old studying abroad in the central Italian city of Perugia, and the two men behind bars for up to one year without charge as the investigation continues into the Nov. 1 slaying of Meredith Kercher.

Local News | UW student implicates boss | Seattle Times Newspaper

As lysander's already pointed out, neither instance bares comparison to Gitmo.

I haven't missed the point. Wild maniacs flew two planes into the Twin Towers killing 3000 people. We are dealing with a new class of warriors. The president went gung ho on the Taliban for harboring the treacherous and murdering masterminds and their minions. Now that the dust has settled we are sorting things out.

Ok, and how does Iraq and detainees from Iraq fit into that picture?

The judicial branch of government is determining the degree at which the executive branch can prosecute the war. Our system works. Woe to people caught up in exciting times.

Again, easy to say the 'system works' when you're not one of the ones that have been caught up in it. What do you think someone held without charge for several years would say to your claim that the 'system works'?

I got a question. How much money should should Osama's personal driver and flunky get for being touched by a female interrogator? What would be just and fair?

Doesn't strike me as a very genuine or sincere question.

[quote=attaboy;697634]
Our system works. Woe to people caught up in exciting times.
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YOU may find these uncertain times "exciting", but I think you will find that the vast majority of people around the world find it very depressing and sad.

the system works so well that any evidence gained is totally illegal anyway.

The Bush administration has announced its intention to try six alleged al Qaeda members at Guantánamo under the Military Commissions Act. That Act forbids the admission of evidence extracted by torture, although it permits evidence obtained by cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment if it was secured before December 30, 2005. Thus, the administration would be forbidden from relying on evidence obtained by waterboarding, if waterboarding constitutes torture.

That's one reason Attorney General Michael Mukasey refuses to admit waterboarding is torture. The other is that torture is considered a war crime under the U.S. War Crimes Act. Mukasey would be calling Dick Cheney a war criminal if the former admitted waterboarding is torture. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, has said on National Public Radio that the policies that led to the torture and abuse of prisoners emanated from the Vice President's office.

The federal government is working overtime to try and clean up the legal mess made by the use of illegal interrogation methods. In a thinly-veiled attempt to sanitize the Guantánamo trials, the Department of Justice and the Pentagon instituted an extensive program to re-interview the prisoners who have undergone abusive interrogations, this time with "clean teams." For example, if a prisoner implicated one of the defendants during an interrogation using waterboarding, the government will now re-interrogate that prisoner without waterboarding and get the same information. Then they will say the information was secured humanely. This attempt to wipe the slate clean is a farce and a sham.

^ Got a linky for that CMN.

^^Sure you didn't write this yourself so would like to see a link.