Thread: What kind of religion condones this?

Originally Posted by cujo

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by cujo

Of course macha and ant will defend it, but what do you expect.

Any single example where I or Ant for that matter have defended it?

You are defending it by defending the religion that condones it.

Ant already answered it (see the quote below).

Originally Posted by Ant

Brilliant. So if you take the rationale to its logical conclusion then if you 'defend' Catholicism you're, by extentsion, defending pedophilia.

You keep on saying that Islam condones such barbaric acts. Have you or any of Islam/Muslim haters, so far, come up with any verse from the Quran that says stone them to death?

Like I posted earlier.

Religion notwithstanding, how can a community stand idly by and let men kill their wives and children in the name of honor?

And agree that it was just.

Who is a Muslim hater that has posted here?

Why would you come to that conclusion?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Religion notwithstanding

You cannot take religion out of the argument

parrot head sounds vexed.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

You cannot take religion out of the argument

but you neednt throw your off point preference into the mix, either.

Good times baby!!!!!!

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The practice of stoning is not mentioned in the Koran, it is only implied in the Hadith in the context of the Prophet Muhammad’s dealings with Jewish Law.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

The practice of stoning is not mentioned in the Koran, it is only implied in the Hadith in the context of the Prophet Muhammad’s dealings with Jewish Law.

According to Muslim scholars any hadith that conflicts with the Quran (or Quranic laws) is not authentic.

Originally Posted by chitown

Who is a Muslim hater that has posted here?

Why would you come to that conclusion?

It was a reference to poster(s) who without any, I mean any, proof blame Islam for stoning to death. I hate repeating myself but just for you "Stoning to death is not an Islamic punishment".

However comments made by the Prophet Muhammed carry strong weight.
The reference is to do with his comments on Deuteronomy

Four witnesses are required for adultary unless you convict yourself when you have to make the oath 4 times or the same when a wife accuses a husband and vice versa

lame, indefensible hatred is so invigorating.

What are we talking about guys?

A deep hole is dug in the ground. A 30 year old lady, tied up from feet to shoulders, as a stick, is lowered alive into this hole, in a standing position. Only her neck and head are visible. Can you imagine a human head sticking above ground?

When the order is given, a man throws a fist-sized stone at her protruding head. The stone hits her head with a thud. She screams in pain as the blood oozes down her face. Another man picks up a stone and scraps the side of her head drawing a lateral line of blood. She cries and screams in excruciating pain. Since it is a free for all, a teenage spectator from this open playing field, tries his luck, but misses her head completely. Another aims at her and flings it with force. The stone hits its intended target, her forehead.

She screams and cries loudly for mercy. There is now a gash on her forehead. Blood spurting out, down her eyes, nose, cheeks, mouth and down to the ground. She cries out for mercy but to not avail. The minutes become an hour, between the many misses, scraps, nicks, chips and strikes. Another spectator flings forcefully at her.

The stone hits the bridge of her nose with another thud. She screams again and again. This time the blood comes down from inside and outside her nose. Probably, her nasal bridge-bone is broken, causing the bleeding from inside her nostrils as well. Though her wounds are grave, as you can imagine, her screams by now are not as vociferous as earlier, and her tears help to wash some of the blood on her cheeks. Her vision has completely gone with the blood coating. The next stone hits her again. A piece of flesh pops out. No, its not, oh god, it really can't be her eye-ball. It is so bloody that you can't really make out. By this time, blood has covered her entire face and the ground in front of her. She still makes groaning sounds. More time pass. Stoning her, continues. Her sounds are less and less audible. Her face has become unrecognizable. Flesh, like mashed meat is her face, but only more bloody, as she now literally has no human face. Small strips of flesh, like locks of hair are hanging from her. Her head is now drooping forward. At this stage a hit on her make splashes of blood. She has stopped making a sound for the last two stone pelting. Two hours have passed. The Islamic authorities check her neck for pulse. It is still beating but barely, due to the loss of blood. A flesh piece drops off her head, as the stoning process continues.

Finally, death comes to this lady. She is then left there for a few more hours for the spectators to see, because this is a public lesson for all Muslim females, who commit adultery. Then her father and relatives are allowed to dig her body, and bring it above ground. Pieces of her flesh, lying on the ground, is collected and because she has no face, it is put back on the front of her head, and bundled up. Now readers, imagine that is your mother, or your daughter, or sister, or even you, yourself.

Originally Posted by Chitown

More than half of teenage girls in Afghanistan and Bangladesh are married. Ayatollah Khomeini told the Muslim faithful that marrying a girl before she began menstruating was a divine blessing (Quran 65:4)

Hmmm, Quran 65:4.

Here's the verse:

And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Now can you tell me what's wrong with the verse?

Barbaric punishment I agree.
But the OP did not ask if I condoned it.
He asked what religion

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

However comments made by the Prophet Muhammed carry strong weight.

Yes it does. But, any hadith in conflict with the Quran is already declared (by the scholars) null.

Frequently Asked Questions about Stoning | The Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women!


Is stoning still practiced? In which countries?

Yes. Stoning to death has been introduced as a legal form of punishment for the ‘adultery of married persons’ (zina al-Mohsena) in Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria (about one-third among 36 states), Pakistan, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates. While the penalty has never been carried out by the state in either Pakistan or Iraq, incidents of stoning have been carried out by communities, seemingly encouraged by the existence of the punishment in law.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Yes it does. But, any hadith in conflict with the Quran is already declared (by the scholars) null.

Stoning is a highly debated issue among Muslim religious clerics, and there is no consensus within the global Muslim community over the validity of the practice as “Islamic Law.” Although there is no mention of stoning in the Quran, many Muslim clerics cite instances in the Hadith, the acts and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, when discussing the legitimacy of the practice of stoning in Islam. In the Hadiths (the collected traditions of the Prophet), the Prophet Muhammad is said to have prescribed stoning explicitly for Jews who had been found guilty of adultery. Although the Quran (24:2 Surah al-Nur) only stipulates 100 lashes for adultery, the Prophet Muhammad reportedly had a number of men and women stoned in his time, hence giving evidence to those who argue for the codifying of this punishment as Shariah, or Islamic Law. After the Prophet Muhammad’s death, the first generation of Muslim legal scholars included adultery as one of the six major offences in Islamic law for which the penalty is fixed by God and Quran (Hudud.) However, because the justification for stoning relies completely on the Hadith and not on the Quran, many scholars question its label as Hudud, the very definition of such being “punishments mandated by God.” Such inconsistencies between the Hadith and Quran have been a source of confusion and remain controversial to this day.

"Although the Quran (24:2 Surah al-Nur) only stipulates 100 lashes for adultery, the Prophet Muhammad reportedly had a number of men and women stoned in his time"

The Koran does not mention stoning so it is not in conflict, is one argument that might be used to justify the punishment

Originally Posted by chitown

Frequently Asked Questions about Stoning | The Global Campaign to Stop Killing and Stoning Women!


Is stoning still practiced? In which countries?

Yes. Stoning to death has been introduced as a legal form of punishment for the ‘adultery of married persons’ (zina al-Mohsena) in Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria (about one-third among 36 states), Pakistan, Sudan, and the United Arab Emirates. While the penalty has never been carried out by the state in either Pakistan or Iraq, incidents of stoning have been carried out by communities, seemingly encouraged by the existence of the punishment in law.

Outdated link mate. It is not in Pakistan anymore. You go to jail for life now. I also read it -online newspaper- that Iran has abolished this law too.

link to # 140 parrot head?

this whole focus on methodology seems to be missing the crux of the argument, imo.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

The Koran does not mention stoning so it is not in conflict, is one argument that might be used to justify the punishment

Ok it doesn't but it does say this:

"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication flog each of them".(Quran 24:2)

So anyone not following the above mentioned verse ain't a Muslim. Right?