Thread: blackwater (war profiteering scum) expelled from iraq

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by blackgang

Just because I think China, Cuba and Viet Nam is communist I am uneducated and poorly read, And you have an IQ of 220 because you think that they are not??

Cuba is completely different than China and Vietnam.

Vietnam is following the US and Chinese model: market economy w/ control over the people.

But even the latter control part is loosening. More than 70% of the population is under 30.

Bill Gates is one of the most popular people.

Business administration programs are one of the most popular. In fact, too many students are studying it who shouldn't be, and and there is a glut of business admin grads.

The VN government also issues bonds.

VN is also a member of ASEAN.


Please show me where the communist element is.

VN is not even socialistic, in any sense of the term.


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Well, it was a waste of time and a few million lives bombing the shit out of the place wasnt it!

I suppose if they have got KFC and Pizza Hut then all those lives wernt lost in vain?

Damn I don't have either of those within 30 minutes of where I live.

Maybe we can get an airstrike or two into this lil 'burg and shake these people outta their comas.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Milkman

Please show me where the communist element is.

China is ruled by the Communist Party of China and Vietnam by the Communist Party of Vietnam. Both allow their people freedom to make money in practicing capitalism as you say but most other freedoms are repressed.

Unless China and Vietnam decide to change their single party names and allow more political freedom to their citizens they will be for all practical purposes be referred to as Communist nations.

Only by the ignorant.

The term "communist" is a part of the propaganda.

"Doi Moi" is "new thinking."

Doi Moi really means, "we really screwed up the economic management by practicing something that is a failure. But since we attacked, killed, and put small business owners in jail, we better keep using the same term, even though we are now capitalist."

Many capitalist countries, basically have one political party.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Only by the ignorant.

Thank you for your assessment of my fine self.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The term "communist" is a part of the propaganda.

Seems to very good propaganda effort. Sure confuses this ignorant ole boy. The governing party calls themselves communists, their members call themselves communists but they are really Republicans. Got it!

Aint that the truth Nort, and now the Bunch of Republicans calling themselves the CPC are fucking with that other little Chinese country that they have been in control of for 50 years and the people are going to raise hell at the Olympics games and then that bunch of Republicans is going to kill the shit out of some of em and they will be saying that they need some human right edu.

But that is because Tibet ain't Republican I guess.

The United States has agreed to scrap immunity for foreign security guards in Iraq, allowing them to be prosecuted under national laws, the Iraq foreign minister has said.

"The immunity for private security guards has been removed. The US has agreed on it," Hoshyar Zebari said on Tuesday after briefing Iraqi MPs on the controversial US-Iraq security pact.

Mirembe Nantongo, the US embassy spokeswoman in Baghdad, declined to make a comment on the issue.

"We do not comment on the contents of the ongoing negotiations," she said.

Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Immunity for Iraq guards removed

The Iraqi foreign minister says its is agreed, the US Embassy spoleswoman says still being negotiated. We'll see.

^Wonder if it will be retrospective? I doubt it, but you never know.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Milkman

Only by the ignorant.

Thank you for your assessment of my fine self.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The term "communist" is a part of the propaganda.

Seems to very good propaganda effort. Sure confuses this ignorant ole boy. The governing party calls themselves communists, their members call themselves communists but they are really Republicans. Got it!

They are not Republicans.

That is an American term.

These government leaders and politicians are "free marketers," basically.

You cannot apply a domestic political label to a foreign nation with a different ecclecticism.

Apples and oranges.

If you’re so upset at the profiteering why not jump on the bandwagon.


Look at the items on this list US Military Equipment in Iraq, summary by NATO Stock Number (NSN)

Find a supplier


Put unrealistic supply quotes in for government orders.


Sooner or later one of more of your quotes will be accepted.


Bingo you’re in the money.

DOJ preparing to charge Blackwater guards in Iraq killings: report
Sunday, August 17, 2008

Nick Fiske at 2:54 PM ET




[JURIST] The US Justice Department has sent so-called target letters [backgrounder] to six Blackwater USA [corporate website; JURIST news archive] guards involved in the September 16 killings of 17 Iraqi civilians [JURIST report], the Washington Post [media website] reported Sunday. Sources told the Post that the letters, which provide an opportunity for the recipients to contest grand jury evidence, indicate the Justice Department will likely seek indictments against at least some of the guards under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act (MEJA) [text]. Indictments against the Blackwater employees under the MEJA would mark the first time that State Department contractors were prosecuted under the Act, which allows criminal charges to be filed against contractors working for the Department of Defense. The sources explained that a final decision on whether to indict the men may not be made until October. The Washington Post has more.

The Blackwater incident caused domestic outrage in Iraq and has prompted legal controversy in the US. In November, the New York Times and the Washington Post [texts] reported that an FBI investigation into the incident concluded that the shootings were unjustified [JURIST report] and last month Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari announced that private security contractors operating in Iraq may be stripped of their immunity from prosecution [JURIST report] under a US-Iraqi agreement currently in negotiations. Advocacy group Human Rights First [advocacy website] issued a report [PDF text] in January asserting that existing federal law is sufficient to prosecute private contractors using excessive violence in their overseas capacities, and that the US government is to blame for failing to "develop a clear policy with respect to the accountability of private contractors for crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan." The report says that the MEJA could be extended to State Department contractors, but that the US has failed to do so.

jurist.law.pitt.edu

Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Five Blackwater Worldwide security guards were charged with manslaughter and weapons violations in the deaths of 14 Iraqi civilians in a hail of gunfire and explosives at a busy Baghdad intersection. The government said they displayed a disregard for human life.
The defendants chose to surrender to authorities in Utah today and were to appear in federal court in Salt Lake City. Government officials said at a news conference it intends to try them in Washington, where support for the war in Iraq isn’t likely to be as strong as in the western state.
A sixth Blackwater guard pleaded guilty last week to voluntary manslaughter and related charges, prosecutors said. The firearms charge against the five defendants carries a mandatory minimum prison term of 30 years and the penalty for manslaughter is 10 years.
The charges are “a reminder” that anyone who engages “in unprovoked attacks will be held accountable,” Assistant Attorney General Patrick Rowan said at a press conference. “Security guards were obligated to refrain from firing their powerful weapons except for necessary self-defense.”
The Blackwater company, which wasn’t charged in the case, said it “does not have access” to the evidence against its employees....

The Justice Department last year said the guards could be prosecuted after news reports that State Department officials had promised immunity.
A new status-of-forces agreement signed by U.S. and Iraqi officials last month will eliminate contractors’ immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law. The agreement is expected to raise insurance and other costs for Blackwater and other contractors including KBR Inc. of Houston, DynCorp International Inc. of Falls Church, Virginia, and Fluor Corp. of Irving, Texas.

Full Article- Bloomberg.com: U.S.


I remember the incident well, and it seemed pretty damning to me.

Quite a big court case coming up- I wonder if, as part of their defence, the guards will try to implicate the Blackwater company?

Do you really expect prosecution?

Originally Posted by sabang

No doubt, they some of them will be witnesses for the prosecution.

The scum won't turn on each other.

those guys just love to shoot people, it's as simple as that. They thought they could get it away with it because the country was in cahos.

Like that guy who raped a 14yr girl and killed all her family with the help of his brain dead friends, just because they could get away from it.

The US Army is full of rapists and murderers, brain dead cowboys and misguided young men. It's a disastrous army, and it's questioning the validity of a professional army when it's filled with so much trash.

My problem with war is not so much the motives, but the stupid men who will fuck it all up.

^^ Dunno spiff, one guy has already pleaded guilty to lesser charges, and it looks like he will be giving states evidence.

As for the others, that were present but not shooting, we'll see- certainly a number of guards tried to stop the cowboys, prolly saved a few lives by doing so. Hopefully their disgust at the whole thing will get at least some of them to provide witness.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

those guys just love to shoot people, it's as simple as that. They thought they could get it away with it because the country was in cahos.

Like that guy who raped a 14yr girl and killed all her family with the help of his brain dead friends, just because they could get away from it.

The US Army is full of rapists and murderers, brain dead cowboys and misguided young men. It's a disastrous army, and it's questioning the validity of a professional army when it's filled with so much trash.

My problem with war is not so much the motives, but the stupid men who will fuck it all up.

America is military-based. Subliminally hidden throughout the cultural infrastructure you'll find the broadest and particular references to all things military. Romantic and memorial notions towards war and soldiering. All goodness to equat with patriotism, Christianity, nationalism, etc. It's not so much the the Yanks are this way - I don't give a fok. They can war amongst themselves all they want. But when America is built upon the ideals of continuous {and unnecessary} military explorations worldwide for decades....that's when you can draw the line.

^ Maybe, but if so they got it off the Brits.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Maybe, but if so they got it off the Brits.

Most definitely. Need to have a military-minded population to perpetuate an empire.

^ how do you explain the peace loving Australians then ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ how do you explain the peace loving Australians then ?