Thread: Are you a Leftie or a Capitalist?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ A bit far fetched there, BF

not really, under most modern "socialist" (liberal for US) system, small businesses are favored over big businesses as they are the driving force behind employment, while big corporation are usually regarded as poor employers,

Big corporations need to be heavily taxed and regulated, and unionized, and subsidize basically our society, while individuals, and small corporations should enjoy complete freedom,

Disagree. Company size matters not -- any biz can be profitable, innovative and good to its employees. Big corps have (in general) set rules in place for accountability and transparency. The only reason socialists hate them is because they only see the bottom line figure and reckon the co should share the wealth they made. Unions wreck the biz, IMO. Look at what they've done to the US auto, steel, and forestry industries. Totally uncompetitive now. That's also why I liked handbag Maggie; tough and smart. Close them unionised coal mines and get into new industry.
I run my own biz, but the govt can take me to task for whatever it wants in my expense lines, which ain't much.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I try to be a decent human being, I have no idea where left and right wing come into that but I do know that the majority of people who need to assign labels to themselves and others before they can see what's right and what's wrong are not decent human beings.

a bit of an easy response here from you DrB, a bit disappointing. I am sure Polpot and Mao thought they were doing the right thing and were decent human beings,
the definition of right and wrong is exactly the heart of the problem,

That's getting into the philosophical side, innit? Fundamentals truths? What's right and what's wrong? ie, if a tribe's long-followed custom is to eat its enemies, is it wrong?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by DrB0b

JG believes that all poor people should remain in the mud to help provide a good life for people like herself. One of those people (TP, for the slow-of-thinking) is right-wing and decent, the other is an animal.

to answer to your example, Jet is not an animal, she is just confused and barking at the wrong tree, while Texpat is just another simple minded redneck...so it's safe to classify them and put them in the same group without compromising their ideals differences,
Now do you see how simplification can be useful ? it's nothing more than sampling,

Your analyses and evaluations are amusing, Boys, but sadly incorrect. I abhor people who wallow in the muck when they have the ability to better themselves. People who cannot do so need a helping hand, and I will always give one. This goes for Texpat as well, I think. How can you help someone if you yourself have nothing? Ever seen a dole recipient help out? As I have indicated before, I hate lazy sods who think the world or their govt owes them something just because they exist. Waste of oxygen, IMO.

Though I'm a bit of a newbie (less than 300 posts in the almost year I've been on here)...I'll explain my position...

I'm a conservative democrat. This means that I am against environmental criminalism (ala Bush), pro-Iraq war (and Gulf War), anti-late-term-abortion (after five months, which is what John Kerry and I disagreed on), anti-drug (usually).

I don't believe in capital punishment because cultures that have capital punishment vs. cultures that don't have it have been found to have no significant differences in the numbers of violent crimes and murders.

Good views, TS, IMO. How about taxes, welfare, oil, Iran, Michelle/Cindy? Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Good views, TS, IMO. How about taxes, welfare, oil, Iran, Michelle/Cindy? Any thoughts?

Thanks Jet. Well, my mike is small and my podium a bit short , but here goes...

Taxes: Yes, Obama has the right idear...tax the wealthy, especially on Social Security. The middle class has been suffering way too much during Republican administrations.

Welfare: Well, it's fair. People who can't work should be provided with more incentives to work. I am staunchly against immigrants getting welfare, except in certain circumstances.

Oil: This is, for lack of a better word, King. America is realizing that they are too dependent on it and steps to create more energy efficient autos are being taken way too late. It's time for the silence from the Bush Administration to environmental scientists with legitimate discoveries to STOP! IMO, Bush should be impeached because of this. Just read on Yahoo! News today that some Americans (above all, right?) are moving from big houses in the country to little apartments in the city because they can't afford to gas up their big cars and eat together anymore. Read about a lady with a big car, big house and yard...now she's driving a small motorcycle to work in the big city and no longer living 60 miles away in the country. The American Dream is definitely shifting in its appearance.

Iran: Well, all leaders say stupid and questionable things.

Michelle/Cindy: Well...I think these are Obama's children?? I'm not sure I like the idea of electing a guy whose middle name is Hussein. That's a joke. And he went to primary school in a Muslim country? Come on! You don't see leaders getting elected in Indonesia coming from America or Denmark and saying "Hey, let's rule this country, man!" His connection with the racial killer Malcolm X is way too great. He should have aligned himself with Martin Luther King Jr. types. IMO, this will make him derail. Malcolm was "by all means necessary," different than the peaceful Martin Luther King Jr. And none of us want violence...right?

For the record, McCain was just seen going to a Baptist church. Where's Obama in all of this? I remember him saying once that he was a believer in Christ.

By the way...I just wanted to add one thing in here if I may: RACE. If Obama became President, I think it sure would reduce a lot of the ulti-segregation that goes on in the States. I can speak from personal experience about the monstrosities of differences that exist, especially between African Americans and Americans of Western European origin.


And for all those like Butterfly who wish to try to give me a red for voicing my opinions .

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Shucks, us right-wingers are pretty well out-numbered and trounced at most opportunity for being responsible citizens of the world.

LOL.... LOL

Bring a fiscal conservative and a social lefty I am usually without a good choice of candidate

Extremists on both sides are nuts

Originally Posted by Told Stool

For the record, McCain was just seen going to a Baptist church. Where's Obama in all of this? I remember him saying once that he was a believer in Christ.

Is it necessary to be a Christian to become Prez of the US? I don't mean necessary as in legally obliged but necessary in order to get the vote.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The split in TD member viewpoints is interesting, for lack of a more bombastic word. No matter what the issue (outside of gardening, food and travel, but I'm sure the divide will seep into those sub-fora, too) personal politics rears its heads on social issues, wealth, personal commitments, charity... Shucks, us right-wingers are pretty well out-numbered and trounced at most opportunity for being responsible citizens of the world.
So, why are you left, right or don't care?

I stopped caring a long, long time ago - why care about something you have no control over.

liberal/left/right.
i've yet to meet anyone who welcomes anybody taking more out of the pot
than he puts in, except of course the unfortunate and genuine sick invalid
cases that a welfare system was correctly meant to support.
now we have d.n.a. and brilliant forensics, i support capital punishment.
guess that puts me slightly to the 'right' then.

^ Ya, I think welfare is important for those who truly cannot support themselves. Unfortunately, too many scammers.

Originally Posted by lysander

Is it necessary to be a Christian to become Prez of the US? I don't mean necessary as in legally obliged but necessary in order to get the vote.

I don't think Muslims, Buddhists or atheists would win the presidency; not in our lifetime anyway. The country was built on Christian morals and values, so whatever derivative thereof seems to be pertinent to the position. I remember the uproar when Kennedy ran coz he was a catholic -- the pilgrim stock were all protestant.

Originally Posted by astasinim

Generally speaking (from my experience) people who claim all the benefits and are low income earners, vote to the left. Those who either work for themselves, better qualifications, or earn above average wages vote to the right.

Largely agree. Can't see how libs would give a better break for building your own biz.

Originally Posted by Told Stool

I'm not sure I like the idea of electing a guy whose middle name is Hussein. That's a joke. And he went to primary school in a Muslim country?

You're a mixed bag there TS- you seem to be on side with most of Obamas policies, but you have reservations about the strangest things. Anyway, Obama was born in the USA- so he has the right to be Pres unlike, say, Arnold Schwarzenegger. He attended a primary school in Indonesia for two years, because his folks were living there. He was never a Moslem, not that this should matter, but you can always look up Obamas 'fight the smears' web site for clarification.

Incidentally, John McCain was born in Panama. Do you have a problem with this?