Any John McCain supporters out there?

**GooMaiRoo** · 22-03-2008, 12:18 AM

John McCain has admitted on many occasions that "economics isn't my strong suit". Isn't this like an airline pilot flying you through a storm and announcing over the PA system that "flying isn't my strong suit"?

How about his supposed strength, foreign policy? This past week, he seemed to lack even a basic understanding of the main factions fighting in Iraq: “We continue to be concerned about Iranians taking Al Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back .... Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well known.”

The above quote is no slip of the tongue. It shows an utter lack of understanding about the political dynamics of that region. It's no wonder that McCain is committed to fighting Middle Eastern wars for 100 years.

I think McCain's a decent man, but he might be as ill-informed and mentally incompetent as the current US president. I've voted for conservatives in the past, but I really find McCain's lack of competence a little scary. Any McCain supporters out there who can defend this man's ability to lead the US through treacherous economic and political times?

McCain Repeats Iran-Al Qaeda Gaffe Yet Again - Politics on The Huffington Post

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2008, 12:44 AM

I've got my John McCain nose plugs all warmed up for November...

**BobbyTits** · 22-03-2008, 12:53 AM

McCain will keel over and die before the election takes place and his Republican handlers will do a *Weekend At Bernie's type move and prop him up so the other old farts can come out and vote for him.

*Weekend at Bernie's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Jet Gorgon** · 22-03-2008, 01:49 AM

I'd like to see who his VP pick is, altho I am Republican/conservative in my political views. Hypothetical anyway, as I cannot vote in the US of A.

MSNBC has a clip on a series of gaffes McCain made in Iraq, and Lieberman had to correct him (uhoh, caught by the mike). Acually, that's one of the few clips I've seen of him on TV. He'll have to fix that PDQ. But with the ass and pony show in the Dem camp, why waste airtime on an elephant?

**sabang** · 22-03-2008, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by floorpotato

"flying isn't my strong suit"?

It certainly isn't John McCains strong suit! The fact he got shot down over Nam is if anything seen as an electoral asset. The fact that this was the fifth plane he lost as a pilot you rarely read about. We don't have that many naval planes in the Australian navy- theres no way he would have been allowed to continue flying after the second one, and quite likely the first plane down. We can be superstitious folk.

Anyway, my views on Mccain vary:-

Negative- Frankly, the guys a bit of a Lightweight. Coming from the best possible naval heritage you can have- father and grandfather both prominent Admirals- Johnboy managed to come fifth from bottom in his Annapolis class, which is a class of 600 odd people. Things may have changed since, but in my day in the UK & Oz navy the bloke would have quietly resigned (or been encouraged to), rather than embarass his forebears. Neither was he a good pilot, and he lost four (or was it five?) planes. But he was stubborn, and stayed in the US Navy after Vietnam- he was very ambitious to reach Flag rank like his father and grandfather, which would have made history. He reached his limit at the rank of Captain- and this was in a desk role, a sort of final pay off at Captain rank so you can get a bigger pension- yes, it happens.

Then, trading in his old wife for a new model over 15 years his junior who came from wealth, he got a plum job with his father in laws company- distributing Bud. Thru' his father in laws business contacts he met most of the local business community, and this was his step up into politics. You compare this Resume' with both Hillary and Obama, and it just does not compare. Like I said- a bit of a Lightweight, something like Bush actually, but we'll try and forget his administration and look forward.

Positive- Whilst his choice of friends nas been suspect (Charles Keating and so on), I think McCain is basically a candid, affable, well meaning bloke who has some principles. He does speak his mind, and will stand up for his beliefs rather than being dictated to by the Lobby groups and back room types that often dictate political agendas now. His championship of the Campaign Finance Reform act still rankles deeply with the Republican right, for example. Fingers crosssed, he would be nobodies Talking Head.

Negative- Some of his comments, particularly on foreign policy matters, are downright cringeworthy. This is not a Pres that would be respected in the international community, nor by the intellectual establishment in the USA. Simple as that.

At least, on some level, I can like the bloke- there is something real about him, which is more than I could say for Bush and (yeck) Cheney. More so than any other candidate, his choice of VP would be important- and not just becusa of his age.

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2008, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I'd like to see who his VP pick is, altho I am Rebuplican/conservative in my political views. Hypothetical anyway, as I cannot vote in the US of A.

MSNBC has a clip on a series of gaffes McCain made in Iraq, and Lieberman had to correct him (uhoh, caught by the mike). Acually, that's one of the few clips I've seen of him on TV. He'll have to fix that PDQ. But with the ass and pony show in the Dem camp, why waste airtime on an elephant?

Short-listed is Minnesota Governor Tim Palwenty.
Might be a good pick as Minnesota is one of your bleeding-heart, liberal Nanny States...

**Jet Gorgon** · 22-03-2008, 06:19 AM

^ who? never heard of him...

**Butterfly** · 22-03-2008, 07:00 AM

Dick Cheney would make a better president, if we had to go into silly predictions

McCain is a bigger loser than Bush, he is just there for the show anyway

**britmaveric** · 22-03-2008, 10:37 AM

^^Well suppose you have found your new target for the next 8 years.

**barbaro** · 22-03-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I'd like to see who his VP pick is, altho I am Republican/conservative in my political views. Hypothetical anyway, as I cannot vote in the US of A.

I don't know what type of conservative you are, but the social-moralist-Xtian conservative types don't like McCain, which I think is good. He won't let them hi-hjack the GOP party anymore than they have. Maybe he can reduce their influence.

MSNBC has a clip on a series of gaffes McCain made in Iraq, and Lieberman had to correct him (uhoh, caught by the mike). Acually, that's one of the few clips I've seen of him on TV. He'll have to fix that PDQ. But with the ass and pony show in the Dem camp, why waste airtime on an elephant?

You can find a lot of McCain on YouTube.

**Boon Mee** · 22-03-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

I don't know what type of conservative you are, but the social-moralist-Xtian conservative types don't like McCain, which I think is good.

In the end he'll not only win over the social/moralist 'Xtian' conservatives (whatever the heck they are) since the alternatives are so repugnant there is no choice.

**barbaro** · 22-03-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Milkman

I don't know what type of conservative you are, but the social-moralist-Xtian conservative types don't like McCain, which I think is good.

In the end he'll not only win over the social/moralist 'Xtian' conservatives (whatever the heck they are) since the alternatives are so repugnant there is no choice.

Agree.

They'll vote for McCain. No other alternative, but stay home and not go to the polls.

But he won't be kissing their butts. (This is good.)

**Jet Gorgon** · 22-03-2008, 07:29 PM

^ Thanks for the info, MM.
I beg to differ on Reps staying home. I think the polls will be overwhelmed with voters and unable to cope. The racial issue will bring people out in droves. I think it goes beyond race -- it's a huge social/moral issue, too. White America ruled by a black and a hispanic? (I'm already calling Richardson as Bambi's veep.) It won't go over. If it does, there will be chaos.

**dobella** · 22-03-2008, 10:34 PM

as an outsider looking in, it's a shame Rudy Guilianni isn't in the mix.
he made an impression on me over the twin tower thing.
anybody but not hilary (face-lift), please vote for me whatever.
i'd like to say she sucks, but i don't think she does else Bill wouln't have
gone looking for Monica.
can't blame Bill though - did u see her lips ?

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The racial issue will bring people out in droves. I think it goes beyond race -- it's a huge social/moral issue, too. White America ruled by a black and a hispanic? (I'm already calling Richardson as Bambi's veep.) It won't go over. If it does, there will be chaos.

race baiting and fear mongering.

nice.

i honestly can't get over how much racism there is on this forum.

and what's this 'moral' issue you're referring to?

**barbaro** · 23-03-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Thanks for the info, MM.
I beg to differ on Reps staying home. I think the polls will be overwhelmed with voters and unable to cope. The racial issue will bring people out in droves. I think it goes beyond race -- it's a huge social/moral issue, too. White America ruled by a black and a hispanic? (I'm already calling Richardson as Bambi's veep.) It won't go over. If it does, there will be chaos.

I'm confused:

1. if what goes over, and

2. what chaos?

How many years have you lived int he United States?

**Jet Gorgon** · 23-03-2008, 03:09 AM

^ I mean I don't think the majority of whites will allow this to happen (go over). Chaos as in the effects of mega reverse racism (and if anyone thinks the tempo will remain unchanged, that's a fly's fart). The main issue of contention will be "trust", and there is none between the races. So, how come Hilde didn't come back with her own speech on race? (oh, not allowed)

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The racial issue will bring people out in droves. I think it goes beyond race -- it's a huge social/moral issue, too. White America ruled by a black and a hispanic? (I'm already calling Richardson as Bambi's veep.) It won't go over. If it does, there will be chaos.

race baiting and fear mongering.

nice.

i honestly can't get over how much racism there is on this forum.

and what's this 'moral' issue you're referring to?

I'm stating what I see and know. Why tippytoe around it? I'm not a white politician. Moral issue -- you think everyone has the same morals in the US, Ray? What, were you born and raised in a closet on a moonshine estate in the Ozarks?

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I'm stating what I see and know. Why tippytoe around it? I'm not a white politician. Moral issue -- you think everyone has the same morals in the US, Ray? What, were you born and raised in a closet on a moonshine estate in the Ozarks?

you're right jet, why, tippy toe? you're not a politician.

so lay it out in clear and unambiguous terms...what's the moral issue?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Chaos as in the effects of mega reverse racism (and if anyone thinks the tempo will remain unchanged, that's a fly's fart).

there's a world of difference between 'chaos' to a "change in tempo". and it could easily be argued that a change in tempo is exactly what race relations in the US needs.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

So, how come Hilde didn't come back with her own speech on race? (oh, not allowed)

since clinton didn't give a speech on race (and errrr...why would she?), you've concluded that somehow she wasn't allowed....what's this based on?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I mean I don't think the majority of whites will allow this to happen (go over).

the majority of whites won't allow what to happen (go over)?

and isn't this an interesting turn of phrase...'go over'. almost as if blacks should stay 'under'.

Originally Posted by Milkman

How many years have you lived int he United States?

yes, that would be interesting to know.

**barbaro** · 23-03-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ I mean I don't think the majority of whites will allow this to happen (go over). Chaos as in the effects of mega reverse racism (and if anyone thinks the tempo will remain unchanged, that's a fly's fart). The main issue of contention will be "trust", and there is none between the races. So, how come Hilde didn't come back with her own speech on race? (oh, not allowed)

There are a lot of assumptions in your above post.

Assumptions.

I don't perceive these things the same way, and I've lived in the US almost my whole life. You didn't answer how much time you've spent in the USA.

**Jet Gorgon** · 23-03-2008, 03:43 PM

I am giving my opinions. You guys say you don't "perceive" things the way I do, but you give no grounding for your "perceptions" and say nothing of your opinions on the issues, only opinions of what other members post. Just what are your opinions on the issues?

**Boon Mee** · 23-03-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

the majority of whites won't allow what to happen (go over)?

"Well, gol dangit there Buck!
Ya hear that uppity Obama Hussein wants to be in the White House???"
(spits a wad on the ground) ...can't let that happen!

^
You bet there's a lot of that going on south of the Mason-Dixon Line...fer sure

**raycarey** · 23-03-2008, 05:12 PM

it seems you missed my questions jet, so i'll list them again. please try to pay more attention dearie...

Originally Posted by raycarey

what's the moral issue?

Originally Posted by raycarey

since clinton didn't give a speech on race (and errrr...why would she?), you've concluded that somehow she wasn't allowed....what's this based on?

Originally Posted by raycarey

the majority of whites won't allow what to happen (go over)?

**Jet Gorgon** · 24-03-2008, 02:43 AM

^ For a poster who side-steps questions on most issues or answers with emotional tirades, you are being persistent on these minor issues, besides being incapable of figuring things out by yourself, aren't you?

Here you go: Moral issues -- white perception that you grow up, be responsible for yourself, get a job, and follow the law; underlying white view that many blacks expect handouts from birth, don't care about anyone else, and would rather join a gang than work. Blacks see whites as being greedy, taking all the work, airing superiority -- so why should they have the same morals. This is not my stance, it is what I hear from white American friends in all lines of work from Wall Street bankers and self-employed to salespeople and even fishermen. Of course, this is not pan-white or pan-non-white, but it is evident in most cities -- why do the whites live in the burbs and the blacks and latinos in the inner city? Alot based on fear and distrust. Samantha Powers, the Obama aide who just resigned over saying "Clinton is a monster", is not helping the moral side, is she? What upstanding black or white person would say something that crude about a possible presidential nominee?

A white giving a speech on race? Lookee Ray, what is a white going to say? We want to work together in harmony with the ethnic groups? What do you think the blacks would do? Surely only the obtuse could not figure that out. How bout if the press announced that Hilde's pastor was spewing the kind of hatred that Wright did? What do you think would happen, Ray?

See my post above your head on your last query.

**raycarey** · 24-03-2008, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

For a poster who side-steps questions on most issues

where's that then jet. please post some of the questions that i have side stepped. note that you posted "most" issues, so it shouldn't be hard for you to come up with a few examples. i'll be waiting.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Moral issues -- white perception that you grow up, be responsible for yourself, get a job, and follow the law; underlying white view that many blacks expect handouts from birth, don't care about anyone else, and would rather join a gang than work. Blacks see whites as being greedy, taking all the work, airing superiority -- so why should they have the same morals.

perhaps a significant pecentage of the people in your generation thought this way, but while you were nursing your petty hatreds, those days have (for all intents and purposes) have slipped into history. sure there are still older people passing on their prejudices onto their offspring, but kids today are too sophisticated for fall for the fear mongering that worked back in the forties and fifties when you were a kid.

you have no idea what blacks 'see'....how could you when you hide on the floor of the backseat with a towel over you.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Samantha Powers, the Obama aide who just resigned over saying "Clinton is a monster", is not helping the moral side, is she? What upstanding black or white person would say something that crude about a possible presidential nominee?

errrrrrr........what's your point? powers is white.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

A white giving a speech on race? Lookee Ray, what is a white going to say? We want to work together in harmony with the ethnic groups? What do you think the blacks would do? Surely only the obtuse could not figure that out

two people that quickly come to mind....bobby kennedy and bill clinton. they both gave thoughtful speeches on race.
but help me jet....what would blacks "do" if a white person gave a speech on race?

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

How bout if the press announced that Hilde's pastor was spewing the kind of hatred that Wright did? What do you think would happen, Ray?

she'd take the same amount of heat that he did...but she would have thrown him under the bus because it was politically expedient.

**Boon Mee** · 24-03-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

but help me jet....what would blacks "do" if a white person gave a speech on race?

You are, w/out a doubt the most clueless liberal on this forum.
How 'bout a recreation of the Watts riots for starters, eh???

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