Thread: Hmong to be sent back to Laos - Moved from news

Originally Posted by panama hat

is indicative of how the Buddhist principles are only applied to oneself.

As we well know, governments seldom act in a manner consistent with the religious majority of their nations. If this was the case the world would likely be a much better and safer place.

Chills me to my bones. Model village? What will these people do? Work? Food? Meds? Nice little PR shots of the kids in a school room. Remote village with no access by aid groups? Scary.
I've been to refugee camps in Japan (also hidden far away) and Thai. These people just want to get their lives back, work, feel safe and at home.

But still, you can not just walk across a border and say, "Well now I am here, gimme a place to live and a job with a nice paycheck, I will pay ya back later as I forgot my wallet in my other pair of raggedy cutoffs"

No it don't work like that to everybodys betterment. And all it does is fuck up everyones lifestyles and things that they have worked hard for for a good many years.
An I do feel sorry for the refugees, but they have to take care of their own house, if you got a house full of snakes, would you expect to move into a neighbors house and he go over and kill all your snakes while you work his job and live in his house?
Fuk no, you will have to go in there and kill thm snakes, you let em take over, now it is up to you to get rid of em, not his place to do it for you.
Maybe ya make it and maybe ya don't and get snake bit, but it is your country/home so if ya want it, god damn it fight for it, or you can cry to the USA and they will come and get it together for you, even tho everyone will be denigrating them for it and be looked down upon by everyone in the world that thinks that you are correct but will do nothing but run their Ray Carey Mouth and do nothing.
Look around, it is happening all over the world as we speak, Hamas keeps shooting rockets at Israel, Israel keep bombing them, but they say they will not stop as long as Israel is a country/state, and going for world damnation of Israel but will not stop the rockets,, Whose fault is it??

I think if you shoot rockets from a kids doll house then you can expect return fire at that doll house.
IMHO

But, BG, they were dragged back across the border to Laos. You mean when they went over to Thailand as refugees? Fek, the Laotians put their king in a desolate cave to rot.
I don't know everything here either. Most of these folks lived in shanties roadside in Thailand, from what I heard. We need Mid to give us a summary (SUMMARY, MID, SUMMARY).

The Refugee Experience in Thailand


During the two decades after the communist takeover in Laos in 1975, several hundred thousand Hmong took the dangerous journey on foot through the Laotian countryside and across the Thai border, formed much of the way by the Mekong River. The fortunate who survived the trip ended up in one or more first-asylum refugee camps: Ban Vinai, Nong Khai, Ban Nam Yao, and Chieng Kham.

Three Waves

The early Hmong refugee movements have been divided into three waves. First-wave refugee groups are typically made up of those who have the most to lose by the change in governments, and the Hmong were no exception to this pattern. Lasting from 1975 to 1977, the first wave of Hmong refugees mostly included soldiers from the secret army and their families.

A second wave of Hmong arrived between 1978 and 1982, a period when both lowland and highland Laotians fled drought and crop failure, compulsory farm collectivization enforced by the Lao communist government, and attacks on the resistance movement. These were also the years of the largest exodus of Indochinese refugees, a period when 21 first-asylum, processing, and transit camps were set up in Thailand, in addition to some encampments for Khmer refugees on the Thai–Cambodian border that were not designated as camps.

The numbers of Hmong refugees increased as a third wave (1982 to 1986) brought additional asylum seekers. By 1987, about 75,000 Laotian refugees were known to be in Thailand. Of these, the majority—about 54,000—were hilltribe people, mostly Hmong in Ban Vinai and Chiang Kham camps.

Neither Western governments nor their Indochinese counterparts were willing or able to reach a political solution to the refugee situation. Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia remained relatively closed, and development assistance from the West was minimal. Repression of the Hmong in Laos, declining economic conditions in that country, and the availability of food and medical attention in the camps contributed to the steady flow of Hmong refugees into Thailand.

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Minority Politics in Thailand: A Hmong Perspective *.
By: Gary Y. LEE

This paper will attempt to examine some of these assertions, and to shed light on the main reasons why the Hmong are perceived to be more difficult to integrate than other hill tribes in Thailand. There are many accounts in Thai, English and French on this subject, but they are mostly from the perspectives of government officials or foreign researchers. Being myself a Hmong who have many years of close association with the issues involved, I will speak mainly from the point of view of the Hmong themselves. I hope that this may help bring a better understanding to the manners in which these tribespeople have interpreted their situations and reacted to it now or in the past.

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In conclusion, I wish to reiterate that the real issues in minority politics in Thailand still remain the question of citizenship and land tenure. Until these problems are solved, and not sidestepped as they are now, Thailand is likely to continue having tribal discontent and destitution (Hearn, op.cit.: 193). At present, there are few incentives for the highland population to co-operate in government projects, for whatever action is taken about their legal status will not immediately change the situation for the better unless the people "are included as full and equal partners in any development strategy that may be undertaken" (McKinnon, 1978: 14). Many villagers have been brought under the watchful eye of Thai authorities through its many dry season roads built up to the hills in the past few years. However, they will be influenced by anti-government groups as long as they are not given a direct role to play in the management of public resources and in the execution of programmes for the national interest. This is particularly the case when many tribespeople, despite their desire for a peaceful existence, are forever at the mercy of unscrupulous traders and officials or are serving as buffers between the Thai Government and insurgents in the remote areas of the country.

hmongnet.org


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As I said, they came as illegal immigrants, and I stand by what I have said, sure it is to bad, but why make it hard on other poor people that have stayed in their own country and now are put at a disadvantage because of it.
If you do not like what is happening in your country and want it changed, then change it, do not run off to another country and cry about it and expect someone to come and do your fighting for you.

as an example,, look at what is being said by all the peaceniks and do gooders about the USA for trying to do something,, YEA the dirty rotted bastards invading "Sovereign nations" all that old shit,, fuck em,,if they want it changed then get a gun and change it yourself asshole.

get a gun and change it yourself asshole

lorsonbooksandprints.com

Fine, next time I see anything even close to another country being mean mouthed by you for trying to interfere in something that is none of their business,, stand by bro..

Originally Posted by blackgang

If you do not like what is happening in your country and want it changed, then change it, do not run off to another country and cry about it and expect someone to come and do your fighting for you.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing when arsing on about all the illegal immigrants in the US?

Originally Posted by blackgang

Fine, next time I see anything even close to another country being mean mouthed by you for trying to interfere in something that is none of their business,, stand by bro..

climate-changer.com

Sorry I open another stupid senseless post by you Pee Wee, but maybe it would have made some sense for a change,, maybe some time tho..as usual, you had nothing to say, but had to say it anyway.

Not at all, they should be ran back where they come from and shot when crossing a sovereign border into another country illegally.

The ANTY said

Isn't that exactly what you are doing when arsing on about all the illegal immigrants in the US?

And that should be the USA doing it, not just setting and listening to folks like you saying that they should put up with it because those "wet backs just want a better life" so it is cool for them to come over a border and fuck up the nice life that the legals have made for themselves,, or like the Lao do to the Thai.

Thailand points to this as a US problem, but have a BIG memory problem. The Thai government did not want to have communism on their door step and were worried that if Laos fell, that Thailand would be the next to succumb to communism. So it was them in fact that sent Thai special op soldiers in with the United States operatives to make the initial contact with the Hmong. The Thai government was so afraid at the time that they begged the US to set up bases here and were 150% for the Vietnam wart and the secret war in Laos.

So they are also at fault for the Hmong problem, but as usual the Thais can't lose face by admitting that they were also part of the problem.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Sorry I open another stupid senseless post by you Pee Wee

No need to apologise. I'm merely sorry that you continue to keep up the ridiculous pretence and charade that you have me on ignore in the first place when it's as plain as day to everyone but yourself that you don't.

Originally Posted by blackgang

but maybe it would have made some sense for a change,, maybe some time tho..as usual, you had nothing to say, but had to say it anyway.

You're really in no position to be lecturing others about posting "some sense", blackgang.

Thank you for taking the time to not answer the question and dribble some more nonsensical ranting.

there is no longer a fungus a hmong us.

couldnt help it.

sorry.

^^ Hey there fuckface if you think you aint on my ignore, just try to give me a red,, cant do it asshole, and you are not so fucking important that most do not have you on ignore because you only post trolling shit and stupid little shit anyway,
I am sure glad for NZ that everyone from there is not as stupid as you or the kiwi would have eaten you instead of the other way around.

Originally Posted by chitown

So they are also at fault for the Hmong problem, but as usual the Thais can't lose face by admitting that they were also part of the problem. __________________

But there are not to many left that were in it when it started so believe shit that they hear and not what really happened.

Just more shit about the USA taking over and over running a country instead of the truth and coming to help a friend when asked to do so.
But anyway Fuk em, it makes no diff.
Ask the main idiots sTrollie and Ant [pee wee] they know all about it..

Originally Posted by blackgang

^^ Hey there fuckface if you think you aint on my ignore, just try to give me a red,, cant do it asshole, and you are not so fucking important that most do not have you on ignore because you only post trolling shit and stupid little shit anyway,
I am sure glad for NZ that everyone from there is not as stupid as you or the kiwi would have eaten you instead of the other way around.

Oh do shut up you hateful, tedious, coot. You're a mean spirited, bigoted, racist, sexist, just-about-every-other-'ist' old fool who has yet to meet a subject he can't turn into an apocryphal anecdotal story about himself. You're an anachronism and the antithesis to informed and intelligent debate who thinks that people are actually interested in your salacious dribble.

You denigrate anyone and everything who you feel is inferior to you when the reality is that's no doubt a very, justifiably, select group. All the misogynistic tales about the 'bitches' you married and divorced ignore the fact that it's you who was the common denominator, not the poor long-suffering women that you undoubtedly emotionally abused because you can't relate to women.

Some people seem to excuse you your foibles simply because your old. I don't, you should know better.