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    Secret Law for Martial Law

    Bush Moves Toward Martial Law


    By Frank Morales
    October 26, 2006
    From: Uruknet.info - switch/3
    In a stealth maneuver, President Bush has signed into law a provision which, according to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), will actually encourage the President to declare federal martial law (1). It does so by revising the Insurrection Act, a set of laws that limits the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States. The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331 -335) has historically, along with the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385), helped to enforce strict prohibitions on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. With one cloaked swipe of his pen, Bush is seeking to undo those prohibitions.

    Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) (2), which was signed by the commander in chief on October 17th, 2006, in a private Oval Office ceremony, allows the President to declare a "public emergency" and station troops anywhere in America and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to "suppress public disorder." President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."
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    President Bush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America. Remember, the term for putting an area under military law enforcement control is precise; the term is "martial law."

    Section 1076 of the massive Authorization Act, which grants the Pentagon another $500-plus-billion for its ill-advised adventures, is entitled, "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies." Section 333, "Major public emergencies; interference with State and Federal law" states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of ("refuse" or "fail" in) maintaining public order, "in order to suppress, in any State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy."
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    Nazi style, they'll come after dissidents within their country's borders next, while reasserting the nation is under attack from the outside.

    Each people get what they vote for.
    It's extremely ironic, that the people who proud themselves of having liberated Germany from the Nazis, are now falling prey to the same scam, 70 years and innumerable essays, public speeches, books and media analysis later....

    Ignorance is no excuse here.

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    The ficticious war on terror makes it all possible because 'they' are trying to kill us!

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    The American people will never come to realize something is amiss, just as the Thais will believe Thailand is a developed country because they have street lights and credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    The ficticious war on terror makes it all possible because 'they' are trying to kill us!
    correct, but while the mainstream media helps to feed the frenzy of fear.....

    mind you I often think that there is a touch of hysteria regarding the Bush governement intentions - I certainly dont see it as comparable to the Nazi's.

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    Uruknet, a pro-Palestinian (pro-terror) and anti-Semitic website. Credibility points severely lacking here. That said, nothing that Republicans do to curtail rights would surprise me. The GOP opposed civil rights for African-Americans until that mindset could no longer be defended. Traditionally, the party has had to rid itself of its more extreme elements or join hands with other extremists (the religious right) in order to retain power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    The ficticious war on terror makes it all possible because 'they' are trying to kill us!
    That right pure fiction. 9/11 was a truly magnificent David Copperfield illusion.
    To bad they couldn't give him an oscar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddybear View Post
    Uruknet, a pro-Palestinian (pro-terror) and anti-Semitic website. Credibility points severely lacking here. That said, nothing that Republicans do to curtail rights would surprise me. The GOP opposed civil rights for African-Americans until that mindset could no longer be defended. Traditionally, the party has had to rid itself of its more extreme elements or join hands with other extremists (the religious right) in order to retain power.
    The same could be said about the Democrats when it comes to civil rights. The 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have passed without republicans voting the way they did. H.R.7152 passed the House on Feb. 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. Republicans supported it in higher proportions than Democrats. Al Gore Sr. (D) from Tennesse voted against it.

    From the Congressional Link of the Dirksen Congressional Center. (Senator Everett Dirksen was a republican who helped write teh Civil Rights Act of 1964):

    In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    To bad they couldn't give him an oscar!
    well, it got people sheering and dancing in the streets. The Public approved.

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    I think comparisons to the Nazis are a bit of a stretch (I'll admit to some bias being American though... no one wants to see there country like that).

    That said, the changes to the law are not comforting.


    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    terrorist attack or incident, or other condition
    Does anyone else think the "other condition" bit is just a little to vague?

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    I think comparisons to the Nazis are a bit of a stretch
    The rhetoric and propaganda machine of the fascist neo-cons could have been taken straight from a Goebbel's manual. And the aim is nothing less than world-domination (see: New American Century).
    The current wave of anti-Islam sentiments with the accompanying racial stereotype of the bearded 'raghead' who is barbarian and deserves to be tortured or killed, is strikingly similar to Nazi hate-propaganda - even the images with the semitic 'hawknose'.

    The methods are different, economic 'colonisation' is preferred to military conquest, unless strategic key positions need to be occupied, as in Iraq - then no lie is too blatant to justify war. A well developed war-machine, superior to others ( as the Nazis' was at the time) has been in place for some time.

    A law enabling the rulers to muffle opposition and punish dissidents is an essential component in the game-plan, and has been long anticipated by critical observers such as myself.

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    [quote=stroller;208630]
    A law enabling the rulers to muffle opposition and punish dissidents is an essential component in the game-plan, and has been long anticipated by critical observers such as myself.




    Is Congress burning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    The current wave of anti-Islam sentiments with the accompanying racial stereotype of the bearded 'raghead' who is barbarian and deserves to be tortured or killed, is strikingly similar to Nazi hate-propaganda - even the images with the semitic 'hawknose'.
    Herein lies one of the big differences between then and now. When people in congress, the military at large, and the public found out about the torture and abuse, there was quite an uproar, not a silent approval. Military officers I know have been quite vocal about their objection to this, and I know some have risked their careers to help set this straight.

    quote fixed ST
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    Bugger, I can't edit the above ??? Anyway, Stroller, I just wanted to add I am not trying to start an arguement, as it is interesting to hear all points of view and comparisons to other times in history, even if everyone else does not agree with said comparison.

    I am not in favor of some of the new acts to 'improve' our security...
    I think there are few cases in which a loss of freedom can provide a meaningful, and lasting increase in security.

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    someone forgot to add the "Edit" function in that new subforum

    Please fix

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    Edit is functional, but there is a time window after which it's disabled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hootay Binky
    Is Congress burning?
    Scott Ritter (ex Iraq weapons inspector)
    Telling the Berliner Zeitung, May 2003: "I see no difference between the invasion of Iraq and the invasion of Poland in 1939." also reported as saying Bush had used the September 11 attacks as Hitler used the 1933 burning of the Reichstag to repress domestic dissidents. The Gallery of 'Bush = Hitler' Allusions

    Quote Originally Posted by kai
    Stroller, I just wanted to add I am not trying to start an arguement, as it is interesting to hear all points of view and comparisons to other times in history,
    No problem, my post was rather pointed, it's just one point of view as you imply, and there are important differences as already pointed out.

    It just seems to me that first the Patriot act, and now this little gem are attempts to assert control and deal with critical voices - or at least the danger of it being used this there, specially considering the condemning rhetoric against anyone critical of the "anti-terror" antics of Bush& co.
    Maybe Germans are partcularly sensitive about this sort of thing, specially when it goes with an agressive military stance - we have learned from history.

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    Ironically when the government limits freedoms in the name of security it means that the terrorists were successful.

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    From the points above, I do agree that:

    9/11 was the Reichstag fire for the U.S.

    How far it will go, is not known yet.

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    And if the goal were to invade and occupy the Middle East allowing 9-11 to happen would have been a great way to get started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    The current wave of anti-Islam sentiments with the accompanying racial stereotype of the bearded 'raghead' who is barbarian and deserves to be tortured or killed, is strikingly similar to Nazi hate-propaganda - even the images with the semitic 'hawknose'.
    Didn't know Arab-Americans being rounded up and persecuted in American streets, a la Kristalnaught, or that the U.S. government is publishing cariacatures of Arabs for regular Americans to target. If so, thanks for the heads up!

    BTW, apparently Congress isn't burning. Seems to be functioning; they just had elections there and Bush lost the support of both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Edit is functional, but there is a time window after which it's disabled.
    WTF ??? is this like ThaiVisa now ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky
    Didn't know Arab-Americans being rounded up and persecuted in American streets, a la Kristalnaught, or that the U.S. government is publishing cariacatures of Arabs for regular Americans to target. If so, thanks for the heads up!
    They learn from their past mistakes. Being more subtile and less obvious is the key. But the racism against Muslims is definitely there.

    Maybe we will give the Palestinian a land, when the world is done with Bush

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    Yeah, really! Really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post

    Maybe we will give the Palestinian a land, when the world is done with Bush
    The palestinians have land. Their unique political negotiating style has led them to give much of their land away in increments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky View Post
    Didn't know Arab-Americans being rounded up and persecuted in American streets, a la Kristalnaught, or that the U.S. government is publishing cariacatures of Arabs for regular Americans to target. If so, thanks for the heads up!
    You are right, of course.
    Sorry I was going a bit overboard, but anti-Islam sentiments have taken on a rather ugly, irrational form reminiscent of anti-semitism.

    BTW, apparently Congress isn't burning. Seems to be functioning; they just had elections there and Bush lost the support of both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
    Yeah, things look different now than a week ago.

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