Thread: Down With the Independent Voter

Hey Snaffie ... where are you buddy ? I think this article describes very well the difference between our two views.

"When people tell me they don’t vote for the party, they vote for the man, I experience the same queasy sensation as when I used to suffer from acid-reflux.


Mainly because President Bush and his Republican cohorts are so wishy-washy when it comes to the plague of illegal aliens, I am hearing from a lot of disgruntled conservatives who are threatening to vote for Democrats in November.

I suspect that not too many of them will actually carry out their threat to cut off their nose to spite their face. But I do believe that if the Republican congressmen and senators continue to play follow-the-leader with the lemming who presently occupies the White House, come November, conservative voters will stay home in droves.

As foolish and as gutless as I consider the Republicans to be on this hot button issue, I will not throw away my vote by pretending that there isn’t a scintilla of difference between the two parties. That is why I have never understood people who proudly announced they were Independents, just as I can’t imagine why anyone elects to go through life voting for Libertarians or Green Party candidates. Why not just hang a sign around your neck declaring yourself to be totally inconsequential?

These folks claim they’re sending a message, but when, in election after election, your candidates are lucky if they garner one percent of the vote, what message do you imagine you’re sending? The one that’s coming through is that whereas the symbols of the two major parties are the donkey and the elephant, yours might as well be the flea.

I realize that those who wish to identify with a third party regard themselves as extremely sophisticated, unwilling to align themselves with parties they regard as the political equivalents of Tweedledum and Tweedledee. In my opinion, they’re not sophisticated, merely frustrated. They dislike the compromises, the lobbying, and the trade-offs, that go with politics in America. While I don’t entirely blame them, I do regard them as hopelessly naïve.

The fact of the matter is that although every Republican is not a true blue conservative, and every Democrat isn’t a knee-jerk liberal, there remains a world of difference between the two groups.

Republicans believe in lower taxes because they have enough sense to recognize that the economy flourishes and jobs are created when businesses don’t see their profits sucked off by the bureaucrats in Washington. Democrats want taxes increased because it’s mother’s milk to them. By controlling the money supply, they are able to conduct social engineering on a massive scale.

Republicans believe in a strong military, whereas Democrats place their faith in the U.N. Republicans believe in legal gun ownership, capital punishment, the three-strikes law, mandatory life sentences for child molesters, English as an official language, and a wall between us and Mexico. Democrats believe there’s no difference between your owning a gun and a gang member’s owning one. They oppose capital punishment, but are in favor of bi-lingual education, open borders, and ballots printed in a hundred different languages.

Republicans believe in private property, while Democrats believe municipalities have every right to take away your house and business, and hand them over to some other guy so long as he promises to increase the tax base by building a mini-mall on the site you once called home.
Republicans believe we are at war with Islamic fascists. Democrats believe there’s a lot to be said for the other side.

Republicans think this is the greatest country on the face of the earth. Democrats think that honor belongs to France.

Republicans think Ronald Reagan was a great president. Democrats think Carter and Clinton were. They also have good things to say about Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. There just seems to be something about the letter “C” that strikes a chord with them.

Having said all that, I must admit that I dislike Independents more than I do Democrats because at least I know where liberals stand. But when people tell me they don’t vote for the party, they vote for the man, I experience the same queasy sensation as when I used to suffer from acid-reflux.

To me, it’s the height of arrogance for any of us to claim to know the man or woman based on what we get from TV. If you actually think you know George W. Bush or John McCain or Hillary Clinton, you’re fooling yourself. Every high-profile politician has been manufactured and sold through pretty much the same process that Madison Avenue employs to peddle a bar of soap or a bottle of beer.

Back in the days when Hollywood moguls ran the studios, they used to create stars in the same manner. If women looked and sounded a certain way, they would be typecast as wives and mothers, while others would enjoy careers as hookers, molls, and home-wreckers. What they were like in real life never entered into the equation. The same, of course, held true for the male leads. Sissies were often cast as tough guys, while heels were cast as heroes.

I vote the straight Republican ticket, not because I think the GOP is filled with great statesmen, but because, when all is said and done, I never want Democrats in a position to appoint federal judges. That’s the legacy that lingers long after the scoundrels have retired or gone on to that big pork barrel in the sky.

The way I see it, one Ruth Bader Ginsburg in a lifetime is one too many!

http://www.intellectualconservative....pendent-voter/

(A primarily libertarian site by the way)

They oppose capital punishment, but are in favor of bi-lingual education, open borders, and ballots printed in a hundred different languages.

Those democrats sound like a mean bunch..

Each to their own, I guess.

I don't understand what you want to say with this quoted convoluted rant, SK.

What is your position, in your own words?

Originally Posted by stroller

What is your position, in your own words?

I'm a Republican. I believe it's a wasted vote to be a Libertarian.

Do you have specific questions you want me to answer?

Storekeeper,

I think I see you're point.

But many things in the OP I don't understand.

Ds or Rs, what will change? Very little.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Storekeeper,

I think I see you're point.

But many things in the OP I don't understand.

Ds or Rs, what will change? Very little.

Come on Snaffie ... the article makes some of the points you
talk about all the time.

The US election system is set up to favor the 2 major parties, or the status quo. Voting one of the big parties as "the lesser of 2 evils", rather than what one really wants, is supporting this system and leaving the false impression these major parties are being elected democratically, whereas, they may not even be popular, who knows how many people "compromise vote"?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Come on Snaffie ... the article makes some of the points you talk about all the time.

The two parties are very close on the political spectrum:


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Both reresent special interests.




Independent candidates are at, or between the above spectrum.

I usually vote for Democats, but I have frequently voted for independent candidates and occasionally I have voted for Republicans. I have thought about the various issues and I would say that I agree with 70% of the things that the Democrats stand for and about 50% of the things that Republicans stand for. If this sounds inconsistant, well, as far as I can see the Democrats and the Republicans are not as different from each other as they like to protray themselves. It can be said, with some accuracy, that a Northern California Repubilcan is a bit to the left of a Texas Democrat . The Democrats and the Republicans are not black and white, they are just differing shades of gray.

As for Independents, they are a bit more colorful!

Voting for an independent candidate may be a wasted vote, but sometimes the statement: "none of the above" is something that I want to say to Washington. Other times, a particular candidate's statements really resonate with me and, rather than mindlessly vote in lockstep with my party, I will vote for that person, no matter what party they represent.

Independent, or swing voters are an increasingly important voice in US politics. "Regan Democrats" put RR in office twice and I knew several Republican businessmen who voted for "It's the economy, stupid" Clinton. Interestingly enough, they didn't vote for Gore, but said that they would have voted for Clinton again - blow job or no blow job!

^ that's because everybody loved Clinton. He will be remembered as one of the best president ever