Thread: Reinvestigate 9/11 - Independent Newspaper

The PM link offers good explanation for everything, even WTC7. I'd be interested in how the govt was so quick to find the terrorists passport amongst the rubble and the flight manual in the parked car at the airport.

There's some weird stuff sure, but doesn't seem to be any grand conspiracy, maybe just ppl trying to cover their failures and take advantage of circumstances.

It's surprising how ppl are so skeptical of the official story, yet don't question claims that 19 of the terrorists are alive and well paid.

Yes, but none of the theories stands up to the same scrutiny they apply to the official explanation.

Maybe weird stuff went on, but that doesn't mean there's a grand plan.

Alex Jones is a weirdo who, like many others, has learned to make a living of 'the conspiracy'.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

You see - this is the general problem - you've put your finger on it. The fact is there are many theories that are truly whako - aliens did it, the Jews did it, whatever - but that doesn't mean it's ALL whako.

That is the general problem. For each theory that gets refuted two new pop up. It just gets tiring to refute each one. And most theories are not even worth having a look at but they still will get a devoted group of followers.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

That is the general problem. For each theory that gets refuted two new pop up. It just gets tiring to refute each one. And most theories are not even worth having a look at but they still will get a devoted group of followers.

Sounds like TD.

papers always dredge up these theories when news is slack/

it's an ADVERTISEMENT, numbskull. It's got nothing to do with the editorial department of the newspaper. If I want to spend 100 grand taking an ad out that says the moon is made of green cheese in big writing in just about any publication in the world, then whoever's in charge of the advertising department will be more than happy to take the money. It doesn't mean they agree with me.

of course it makes the newspaper look kind of ridiculous, and if the Independent wasn't about to go to the wall, and rather had a healthy financial outlook, then they might have thought twice about accepting it.

as for the conspiracy theorists, I can't say I'm all that surprised that judging from this thread, quite a lot of them seem to have washed up in Thailand. The place seems to attract total imbeciles like moths to a flame.

why don't those of you who are so smart that you can see behind the official story take a look at these conspiracy theories also

1. Thor is responsible for lightning.

2. Intelligent design is responsible for life on Earth, and Aliens are responsible for the human genome.

4. Santa Claus was behind the red-and-white choo-choo you got when you were three.

5. Muhammad was a real swell dude and god actually talked to him.

There is a lot of evidence out there that suggests 9/11 needs an independent investigation. There are many theories and many don't hold water but people need to start believing something just ain't right about that day and our governments.

Sceptics
Start with this video and work your way through the thousands more. Tell us what parts you don't agree with:



Silverstein says on camera a decision was made to pull building 7 - WATCH

^The problem with the claims and counter claims is it just goes on and gets real blurry. I find the way those building collapsed a bit funny, but I'm no expert and plenty who are offer reasonable sounding explanations.

What does seem strange is how quick they cleaned up the site. Considering it was a massive crime scene it should have been gone thru tooth and comb by forensics. Instead they cleared all the rubble and sold asap to China as scrap. I've heard this in itself was illegal.

The victims families and others were very unhappy with the official report. There's a lot left out, such as WTC7 and the govt spent much more investigating Clinton's extracurricular activities.

The there's the rush to point the finger, try finding a reference to Al Quadea prior to 911.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

As for Dianna - well...that another story.

MI5 did it, and the French special services helped to cover it, for cooperation sake. She was definitely murdered. The famous French paparazzi in the white car who witnessed it all was also murdered a few years later, suicide in a burning car

The blackbox in the Merc went also missed and was tempered with when they mysteriously recovered it. Investigating officers were fuming. French special agents were on the scene within minutes of the accident, before the police. This happened at 6am.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Isn't that 'The Economist' for high school drop outs?

good one, a few nice articles sometimes though, but it's really a trendy magazine for those with no clue who want to look smart

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The blackbox in the Merc went also missed and was tempered with when they mysteriously recovered it. Investigating officers were fuming. French special agents were on the scene within minutes of the accident, before the police. This happened at 6am.

No it did not, the accident happened at around 12.23 A.M. she was in hospital and dead by 6 A.M

try finding a reference to Al Quadea prior to 911.

google turns this up in thirty seconds :

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/06/wo...threat.htmlU.S. Embassy In Rome Sends Staff Home After Threat By James Risen

Published: Saturday, January 6, 2001

Officials in Washington say that American intelligence recently was told of a threat made by Islamic terrorists against the interests of the United States and at least one other country represented in Rome. Other officials said the threat came from people associated with Osama bin Laden's organization, Al Qaeda.

AQ has been known since 1993, after the first WTC bombing

it was actually a name made up by the US government to identify the organization and trial them in their absence

Originally Posted by Smithson

Same goes with the 19 hijackers who are still alive with well paying jobs, any evidence?

I've never heard that 19 are still alive, but here is a link that says some of them are.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

I think they were patsys just like the little shit they said shot JFK. They were convinced to board those planes but they didn't know what was going to happen

Originally Posted by Butterfly

AQ has been known since 1993, after the first WTC bombing

it was actually a name made up by the US government to identify the organization and trial them in their absence

A bit like "Jack the Ripper" ? The plot thickens.

Originally Posted by callippo

try finding a reference to Al Quadea prior to 911.

google turns this up in thirty seconds :

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/06/wo...threat.htmlU.S. Embassy In Rome Sends Staff Home After Threat By James Risen

Published: Saturday, January 6, 2001

Officials in Washington say that American intelligence recently was told of a threat made by Islamic terrorists against the interests of the United States and at least one other country represented in Rome. Other officials said the threat came from people associated with Osama bin Laden's organization, Al Qaeda.

I got a page not found message, but I'm sure the artcile exists.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

AQ has been known since 1993, after the first WTC bombing

it was actually a name made up by the US government to identify the organization and trial them in their absence

I think it was first used in late 2000, they were trying to convict Bin Laden and needed to show him to be the head of an organization in order to use the RICO laws, so the name Al Queda was invented.

This according to a BBC doco The Power of Nightmares which is wel worth a look, it's much more believable than Loose Change.

According to the doco:
"al-Qaeda is so weakly linked together that it is hard to say it exists apart from Osama bin Laden and a small clique of close associates. The lack of any significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members despite a large number of arrests on terrorism charges is cited by the documentary as a reason to doubt whether a widespread entity that meets the description of al-Qaeda exists at all. Therefore the extent and nature of al-Qaeda remains a topic of dispute."

I don't think you'll find links using the name Al Queda prior to this court case.

They're a myth.

I laways loved the demolition theory,we have all seen those programmes where they wire up buildings for demolition.
Imagine the number of workers scurrying around the twin towers at night with explosives,hundreds of kilometers of cable and drilling all those holes with hammer drills.
Wouldnt the cleaners in the building at night have seen or heard something?
How good were the demolition boys to have hidden all traces of their work by the morning,it would have taken months to set it up wouldnt it?
Anyone who believes this rubbish has to be off their trolley.

The New York Times: Search for 'al qaeda'

the earliest references in the NYT archive to Al Queda I can find is about September, 1998 - shortly after the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings.

^ Yes, as weird as the collapse looks, the scenario you presented sound doesn't seems pretty unlikely.

The British program Horizon gave an explanation of why the design led to the collapse.

I think the govt has something to hide, but that doesn't mean they planned it.

There was no grand conspiracy, everyone involved took advantage of the hand they were dealt.

On the one hand Bush and Co got to have wars, more arms spending and stamp on the constitution.

On the other hand, Bin Laden and his mates got to be considered the head of a 'massive network with tentacles reaching into all corners of the globe'. Just what he'd always wanted.

Originally Posted by callippo

The New York Times: Search for 'al qaeda'

the earliest references in the NYT archive to Al Queda I can find is about September, 1998 - shortly after the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings.

Your correct, there are references in 1998. It does appear that the name was first used by the US Govt in a effort to show Bin Laden as the head of an international organization so he could be included in the indictment.

So in a sense Al Quadea was invented by the US govt.

the trial of the first WTC bombing happened before 2000, something like 1994 or 1996, this is when the term was first coined

that name has been circulating for a while, I heard it on TV before 1998 quite a few times

Originally Posted by teddy

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http://www.reinvestigate911.org/page...ementfinal.pdf

Reinvestigate 9/11

Right...the wacky backy...explains it all.