Reinvestigate 9/11 - Independent Newspaper

**Butterfly** · 03-11-2009, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

It pancaked just like the WTC 1 and 2 about five hours after the second Twin Tower came down..

fucking amazing, isn't it ? if that's not a smoking gun then I don't know what is. People are idiots. They will swallow anything.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

the suggestion there is no CCTV footage of what must be the most well-guarded buildings on the planet

actually there is, but they have been seized within minutes of the impact. The security guard at the parking lot who saw everything died strangely a few years later. Make you really wonder. Rumsfield did the slip of a tongue with the missile, not once but twice at a pressconf

Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore

Norad standing down for the first time in 53 years.

brilliant wasn't it ? the exercise parameters matched the real event, I mean you can't make that shit up. Another smoking gun, completely ignored.

**Butterfly** · 03-11-2009, 09:23 AM

so if we have controlled demolition (definitely the case, without a doubt), a missile, and a fake crash, what does all of this tell us ?

Pentagon was involved but why ? and how ? to serve the Commander in Chief ? I doubt it. To stage a coup and replace GW Bush ? possible.

**MustavaMond** · 03-11-2009, 10:34 AM

Site is up OK...
This is interesting ...

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.....The question remains: who figured out that the architecture and engineering professions would get it wrong, and phoned the Danish PM to let him know? It wasn't the firefighters: chiefs were planning to set up a station a few floors below the seat of the fires. Two firefighters had reached the fires and radioed to say they were manageable with two hoses. One was the Fire Department's terrorism expert who had made a study of the structure of the Towers. Fire chiefs told the media that a total collapse was "the farthest thing from our minds".

Some 9/11 sceptics have an explanation:

it was whoever recabled the Towers in the weeks before 9/11, and encouraged Mayor Giulliani's team to leave their emergency management centre in WTC7 which collapsed later in the day. The team were part of Dick Cheney's anti-terrorism exercise which involved a fake hijacking and a disaster in New York. A smoking gun, say sceptics, a simple coincidence, say the corporate media.

If experts and the media had blown the whistle on the controlled demolitions, say sceptics, it would have been presented as a desperate act of necessity to make sure the buildings came down in their own footprint, minimising the damage. But this would be the fallback position, or limited hangout in CIA jargon. To keep the story simple, and avoid public suspicions and expensive lawsuits, top politicians and the media were told in advance to expect a spontaneous collapse, say sceptics.

This is clearly a case for the BBC's Conspiracy Files. But the BBC had a tip-off too. Recently a video surfaced of a BBC reporter announcing that the third building that day, WTC7, had already collapsed while viewers could plainly see it still intact in the background behind the reporter ( )

So how will the BBC Conspiracy Files react to the news? Will they go back to their sources, ask Rasmussen where the tip-off came from or perhaps ask 10 Downing Street if they had a tip-off too? Unlikely. "Due impariality" though an obligation incorporated by law into the BBC's royal charter, in practice extends to giving a platform to nazis but not to 9/11 sceptics.

The BBC are ultimately paid by the UK government, so they will probably choose to stand shoulder to shoulder with the scientists at NIST, paid by the White House, and wait for the next official report. This might take several more years, especially if NIST are called on to explain the droplets of molten iron and traces of nano-thermite (an explosive/incendiary agent used in controlled demolitions) recently found in samples of WTC dust by independent experts.

In the meanwhile, since 9/11, there's always a war somewhere to report on.

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I too, fully believe BuschCo facilitated these attacks ..

**MustavaMond** · 03-11-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

so if we have controlled demolition (definitely the case, without a doubt), a missile, and a fake crash, what does all of this tell us ?

Pentagon was involved but why ? and how ? to serve the Commander in Chief ? I doubt it. To stage a coup and replace GW Bush ? possible.

Are you kidding, this handed the keys to the kingdom to BuschCo, This is how they would convince Congress to attack Iraq, hell to attack anyone they wanted ... .

All this fake crash BS is deliberate mis information - like US Govt allowing , planting UFO frenzy in order to covering up illegal nuclear tests/studies

such as mutilated cattle in Nevada-

Eyes , anus testicles etc., soft tissues removed from cattle grazing former nuclear test sites areas in order to study affects - an illegal study under nuclear tests bans ....

-those planes were real , as was the hijacking , it was allowing the attack that is the criminal offense. I wouldn't be surprised if Atta was a mole, al la Bin Laden was in Afgahan when US was paying and training him to fight Russians.

Is Bin Laden still " Our Guy"?

**Hovis** · 03-11-2009, 10:46 AM

Bizarrely, for me, previously enraged by anyone claiming that 9/11 was anything other than a terrorist attack using hijacked 'planes - I'm looking at this stuff and I'm ...'wobbling' a bit now.

I'm not saying I've changed my mind - just keeping it open.

**Butterfly** · 03-11-2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Are you kidding, this handed the keys to the kingdom to BuschCo, This is how they would convince Congress to attack Iraq, hell to attack anyone they wanted ... .

just because they had a hardon for Saddam ? I find this hard to believe,

and what did they accomplish really ? not much. Spying on soccer mom discussing the next game is hardly an accomplishment of any kind. There is nothing to see or hear.

**MustavaMond** · 03-11-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Are you kidding, this handed the keys to the kingdom to BuschCo, This is how they would convince Congress to attack Iraq, hell to attack anyone they wanted ... .

just because they had a hardon for Saddam ? I find this hard to believe,

and what did they accomplish really ? not much. Spying on soccer mom discussing the next game is hardly an accomplishment of any kind. There is nothing to see or hear.

Rights to oil that Saddam wasn't going to sell . Future rights to oil.
Pipelines for oil. Profits from oil..

and revenge on the part of li'l Georgie who always swore he would get Saddam back for an ALLEDGED assassination attempt on his daddy, Bush Sr.

**Mr R Sole** · 03-11-2009, 11:26 AM

The US's admin at the time wanted to silence Saddam as he was going to blow the whistle on no doubt some rather big-wigs in the US and good ol' blighty....

So where did you get those biological weapons from then 'Sadd' me ol' china???? ERrrrr Ask Donald 'Rummy' Rumsfeld....and numerous other weapons and stuff from the UK and Europe..Errrrrrrrrr

Who actually help to place you in a position of power in the mid sixties??? after your failed attempt to kill the Prime minister of Irag at the time????? Errrrrrr next question please...

As for the flying of the planes in to the 2 towers.....

These guys were supposed to have had only limited flying experience and training Cesna's etc!!!!....so how the feck did they manage to fly a large commercial jet at 3-4-500 mph into a building with such precision???????

Pretty big question to answer that one....Anyone....

Also apparently 19 out of the 21 hijackers are still alive and well and working in numerous well paid jobs over the world...another concern and flaw in the Bushco plan

Move along nothing to see here....

**MustavaMond** · 03-11-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

The US's admin at the time wanted to silence Saddam as he was going to blow the whistle on no doubt some rather big-wigs in the US and good ol' blighty....

So where did you get those biological weapons from then 'Sadd' me ol' china???? ERrrrr Ask Donald 'Rummy' Rumsfeld....and numerous other weapons and stuff from the UK and Europe..Errrrrrrrrr

Who actually help to place you in a position of power in the mid sixties??? after your failed attempt to kill the Prime minister of Irag at the time????? Errrrrrr next question please...

As for the flying of the planes in to the 2 towers.....

These guys were supposed to have had only limited flying experience and training Cesna's etc!!!!....so how the feck did they manage to fly a large commercial jet at 3-4-500 mph into a building with such precision???????

Pretty big question to answer that one....Anyone....

Also apparently 19 out of the 21 hijackers are still alive and well and working in numerous well paid jobs over the world...another concern and flaw in the Bushco plan

Move along nothing to see here....

I have no doubt that anyone who has passed a solo certificate ( because I have ) coupled with a keen interest in the subject- is capable of keeping a largely automated aircraft aloft , make turns and pointing it accurately.

Having hijackers ( Boogie Men ) also furthers future transgressions of the Constitution - like the Patriot Act

**Smithson** · 03-11-2009, 02:02 PM

Both the official explanation and the conspiracy theories seem like BS to me.

Within a few hrs the govt claimed they found a hijackers passport in the crumbled buildings and a car with a flight manual at the airport.

So many ppl say that 19 of the hijackers are still alive, but where's the evidence?

**Don Juan** · 03-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Inside job, without a doubt.

**Butterfly** · 03-11-2009, 02:59 PM

it does look like more and more that it's an inside job,

**Smug Farang Bore** · 03-11-2009, 04:45 PM

At 8 30 on the morning of the London bombings, the ex Met Police press officer was running a course on what to do if there was..Err say there was to be a terrorist attack on 4 underground train stations. Turns out that they were the same to be attacked.

On the news he said "the hairs stood up on the back of this neck when he heard".

The top 10 insurance company's were asked to come up with the odds of the same stations being hit at the same time as the actual event .....

Wait for it....

1 in 3 tetra gillion.

if my memory serves me right looks like this

30000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

grains of sand on the planet
1000000000000000000

long shot ay.

**Smithson** · 03-11-2009, 05:33 PM

^ I've heard that before, but is it true? Same goes with the 19 hijackers who are still alive with well paying jobs, any evidence?

**Smug Farang Bore** · 03-11-2009, 05:45 PM

I heard part of radio interview on radio five live in the uk. I believe it was on ITN News as well.

but it seems funny that when these things happen somebody or other is having an exercise or something.

As I said before i'm no weird beard but some things should be questioned.

**Smithson** · 03-11-2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore

I heard part of radio interview on radio five live in the uk. I believe it was on ITN News as well.

I heard similar things, but until I see firm evidence I don't believe.

Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore

but it seems funny that when these things happen somebody or other is having an exercise or something.

Exercises of some kind are fairly normal and happen every day.

Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore

As I said before i'm no weird beard but some things should be questioned.

The conspiracy theories don't stand up very well to questions. Sure there are strange things about 9/11 but most of the conspiracy theories are stranger and make a lot of claims with little evidence.

**callippo** · 03-11-2009, 07:54 PM

Reinvestigate 9/11 - Independent Newspaper

the topic header implies that the editorial department of the newspaper is in some way connected with some bozo having enough money to throw down the toilet by placing the ad.

pretty good indicator that the Independent is also going the same way. They must be desperate for revenue to have accepted this ad. Some of their advertisers will I assume not be pleased. They probably only allowed the guy to place a full page ad, or a double page ad, or nothing, because few advertisers would want to be associated with, i.e. by being on the same page, as the 9/11 numbskull conspiracy theory club.

**zubber** · 03-11-2009, 08:40 PM

brit papers always dredge up these theories when news is slack ,diana ,9/11 ,moon landing etc etc .just dont buy the paper

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2009, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

a bit late for an investigation when all the evidence have been disregarded,

we will never know the truth, sadly

A real pity...

**Tom Sawyer** · 03-11-2009, 08:51 PM

^
Wouldn't it make more sense for you three above to consider what I (and others above) have raised, and counter the facts - rather than dismiss the general 'theory'?

The weakest link in the chain is not the 'conspiracy theorists' - it's the many, many, elementary questions that remain un-addressed. Scoffing, ridiculing, sneering is the response of a nodding-donkey (for you roughnecks out there)..

I'd buy the single-JFK-gunman theory before I believe the official line of 9-11 - anyday. As for Dianna - well...that another story.

**Smug Farang Bore** · 03-11-2009, 09:30 PM

^Agreed, thats the point allowing people to ask questions and debate issues that in some parts are not clear.

History proves that things get covered up.

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2009, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

^
Wouldn't it make more sense for you three above to consider what I (and others above) have raised, and counter the facts - rather than dismiss the general 'theory'?

The weakest link in the chain is not the 'conspiracy theorists' - it's the many, many, elementary questions that remain un-addressed. Scoffing, ridiculing, sneering is the response of a nodding-donkey (for you roughnecks out there)..

I'd buy the single-JFK-gunman theory before I believe the official line of 9-11 - anyday. As for Dianna - well...that another story.

Uh huh...all you have to do is read the Popular Mechanics anaylsis of how the towers came down proven scientifically rather than put false stock in some whako "The Joos did it" or "" Bush's fault" B.S. speculation...

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2009, 09:38 PM

Get yer facts here, boys!

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

**Tom Sawyer** · 03-11-2009, 09:42 PM

^
ThaiVisa Red Neck Mods finally won you over, eh BM?. Fukin' Eh!

Wear yellow yesterday?

**Tom Sawyer** · 03-11-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Get yer facts here, boys!

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

Popular Mechanics. Isn't that 'The Economist' for high school drop outs?

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