Who owns the Moon?

**DrAndy** · 09-10-2009, 10:28 PM

and then find a way to actually make it produce power

**Umbuku** · 09-10-2009, 10:36 PM

Virgiliu Pop is a research specialist at the Romanian Space Agency. He has for years been keeping a legal eye on the area of space property rights, and his new book, "Who Owns the Moon? - Extraterrestrial Aspects of Land and Mineral Resources Ownership" (Springer, 2008) was published this month.
Pop has been delving into what has shaped the law of extraterrestrial real estate, and the norms which express this law. And in his view, the norms and rules regarding property rights in the celestial realm are rather limited, even failing to define basic concepts such as what is a celestial body.
Pop favors property rights over group hugs.

SPACE.com -- Who Owns the Moon?

DaffyDuck · 09-10-2009, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

The current Moon landing threads brings up an interesting question: Who owns the moon...

Whoever gets there first, and puts up a permanent settlement.

**English Noodles** · 09-10-2009, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

a permanent settlement.

There's no such thing.

**PlanK** · 10-10-2009, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by Plan B

The current Moon landing threads brings up an interesting question: Who owns the moon...

Whoever gets there first, and puts up a permanent settlement.

Until the Brits arrive and claim it as their own by planting a flag in someone's chest.

DaffyDuck · 10-10-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

a permanent settlement.

There's no such thing.

Says the non expert.

**UpTooYou** · 10-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Yanks are bombing now looking for water! So the who bombs first, owns!

DaffyDuck · 10-10-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Whoever does get to the moon first will be the next superpower if they can find a way to mine helium 3 and get it back to earth.

Better manage those clones better.

**barbaro** · 28-07-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

The current Moon landing threads brings up an interesting question: Who owns the moon...

The United States own the moon and should have rights to any potential minerals/deposits/etc that may be found in the future.

Why? This is why:

Yes, Apollo moon landing flags are still standing, photos reveal
Scientists say Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter images prove most survived four decades

NASA
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera images of each Apollo site taken at roughly the same orientation but with different sun angles to show the travel of shadows. Combined with knowledge of the Apollo site maps which show where the flag was erected relative to the Lander, long shadows cast by the flags at three sites — Apollo 12, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17 — show that the these flags are still “flying,” held aloft by the poles. There is no indication of a flag shadow in this Apollo 11 image.
By Clara Moskowitz

An enduring question ever since the manned moon landings of the 1960s has been: Are the flags planted by the astronauts still standing?

Now, lunar scientists say the verdict is in from the latest photos of the moon taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC): Most do, in fact, still stand.

Entire: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48362418/ns/technology_and_science-space/?__utma=14933801.2064571491.1342397431.1343431928. 1343481916.14&__utmb=14933801.2.10.1343481916&__ut mc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1342397431.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|ut mccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=14933801.|8=Ear ned%20By=msnbc%7Ccover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixe d=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Vis it%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__u tmk=154759480#.UBPr5WEzDqE

**Marmite the Dog** · 28-07-2012, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

An enduring question ever since the manned moon landings of the 1960s has been: Are the flags planted by the astronauts still standing?

Most manned moon landings were done in the 1970s. Only Apollo 11 & 12 were in the 60s.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 28-07-2012, 09:30 PM

Fuck the moon - I sold it long ago.

Currently holding Jupiter short and Saturn for the long run

**Rural Surin** · 28-07-2012, 09:51 PM

There are secret alien bases within the moon's base.
It's really hollow.

They're watching us.

**Looper** · 29-07-2012, 12:12 AM

If we can't agree to share it then it can be unwrapped like a Terry's Chocolate Orange and each country gets a slice.

**taxexile** · 29-07-2012, 05:25 AM

I wouldnt want the moon, it hasnt got much atmosphere.

**OhOh** · 29-07-2012, 06:48 AM

Try the Dark Side on a Friday night you'd be surprised.

**Moonraker** · 30-07-2012, 08:45 PM

There's a doube decker bus up there. (Or was that a WWII bomber?)

**Blue water dreaming** · 30-07-2012, 09:22 PM

Thaksin Watashitra owns it. He making up Sor Por Kor titles for each 10 rai and, for his 65th birthday, he will be giving them away to all the poor farmers.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 31-07-2012, 08:21 AM

**VocalNeal** · 31-07-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

If you can get there and build a house I am sure you could claim part of it

Farangs cannot own houses on the moon, they can lease for 30 years.... etc etc etc

I was going with the 51% local ownership so.....

**Bobcock** · 31-07-2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Happyman

Gonna put it on E-Bay soon .

Some bloke in Australia put New Zealand on sale on eBay for 1c.....so why not, you'll get more....

**Norton** · 31-07-2012, 09:54 AM

USA owns the moon. Thanks to the Brits.

**Umbuku** · 31-07-2012, 12:46 PM

Everyone owns the Moon.

the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind;
outer space shall be free for exploration and use by all States;
outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;
States shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner;
the Moon and other celestial bodies shall be used exclusively for peaceful purposes;
astronauts shall be regarded as the envoys of mankind;
States shall be responsible for national space activities whether carried out by governmental or non-governmental entities;
States shall be liable for damage caused by their space objects; and
States shall avoid harmful contamination of space and celestial bodies.

http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/oosa/SpaceLaw/outerspt.html

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Umbuku

Everyone owns the Moon.

the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind;
outer space shall be free for exploration and use by all States;
outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;
States shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner;
the Moon and other celestial bodies shall be used exclusively for peaceful purposes;
astronauts shall be regarded as the envoys of mankind;
States shall be responsible for national space activities whether carried out by governmental or non-governmental entities;
States shall be liable for damage caused by their space objects; and
States shall avoid harmful contamination of space and celestial bodies.

Outer Space Treaty

Be nice if they could sign one for the fucking Earth, wouldn't it?

**Umbuku** · 31-07-2012, 01:42 PM

It also kind of cuts out the indigenous aliens, but that's nothing new.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 31-07-2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

This guy knows nothing about being British or about flags. This chap however does.

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