Thread: Self medicate

Any pics?

This has been around a while.
bee sting therapy

never thought of tweezers.....good idea, shall take a pair next trip

Originally Posted by Nawty

oooooh oh....that sounds like me when younger, but have not been stung until last weekend for 20 odd years.

Each time I was stung as a young buck, the swelling got worse and worse, until the last time when my whole leg swelled from a sting on the foot.....so I expected much worse this time round, especially with the double hit on first day.....not my fault.

But now yesterdays treatment has not swollen at all, nothing really this time except for some redness and itch and small 10baht coin size swelling.

Nawty. Please be aware that mild allergies can progress to Anaphylaxis which is a full on allergic reaction that can, and often does kill!

Suggest you read up on it and be aware of the symptoms. You could be playing with fire since you used to be overly sensitive to bee stings when younger.

If you get any of the following symptoms, --- itchy rash, numbness swelling tingling of the lips and face, dizziness, shortness of breath, --- be VERY WORRIED INDEED!

I am not joking here mate. This is a serious post.

If he dies....he dies....No Big Loss.

make note.....take Knobs out of the Will

Originally Posted by slackula

This thread has potential.

I'd suggest he stick his head into a beehive for the beneficial effects, but he's dumb enough that he would actually try it.

Is there any difference in the venom between wasp and bee stings?

you can re-use a wasp

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Is there any difference in the venom between wasp and bee stings?

you can re-use a wasp

Better chance that any common wasp and hornet toxins will be stronger, as bee's barbs exist for principally defence purposes, yet their cousins are omnivorous and tend to have a longer lifespand. One only needs to test the difference.....

While sticking my head into a bees hive would be beneficial.....nothing can help Daffney to become a likable person in any group of people...so consistant he is.

As for Wasp versus Bees....wasps do not produce honey, honey is medically beneficial and one of the healthiest and most natural things around.

Seems probable that bees venom could well be associated with this. Whereas wasps are as useless....well as daffney.

Have been stung by a wasp and it did nothing but hurt.

I would like to remind the posts above concerned with my safety, that I am not doing this for just myself, this is a medical experiment that just may make it into another medical journel...hey DD.

Where would we be if people had not offered themselves up for medical experiments ? Daffney is an example of taking experimentation to far of course, but even the experts make mistakes.

Tomorrow is treatment day....cannot wait.

But I shall take note of the warnings and will not jump right into 3 invenimations at once, just 2 on sunday if tomorrows is not producing much effect.

I shall also not jump right into the 10 wild bees in a jar technique, as we do not know how strong the 'wild' venom is. It might be the same as scorpions...the smaller they are, the harder they sting....so caution here.

Maybe I could sting the dog first and see what happens.

Anybody know the medical procedure for propholactic shock or whatever it is called ??

Originally Posted by Nawty

Anybody know the medical procedure for propholactic shock or whatever it is called ??

propholactic shock - thats where a condom scares you right?

Anaphylactic shock is normally treated with a self administered Epi-pen followed by immediate hospitalization.

So long as you realize that, in cases of anaphylactic shock, people can die within minutes without intervention, knock yourself out.

How do you knock yourself out ??

But seriously now.....if AS was going to happen, surely it would have by now right ?? and it should happen immediately if it is going to happen right ? and if I have now had 4 stings in a 7 day period with no allergic or severe reaction, then all should be ok right ?

But really interested in the treatment of it if it comes on so severely and quickly...for my kids sake, not so much mine.....never know if they might be allergic or not, although my son got stung by a wasp at school last month 4 times and he was taken to the hospital immediately but was fine, no reaction at all.

Originally Posted by Nawty

But really interested in the treatment of it if it comes on so severely and quickly...for my kids sake, not so much mine.....never know if they might be allergic or not, although my son got stung by a wasp at school last month 4 times and he was taken to the hospital immediately but was fine, no reaction at all.

As I am aware at the moment, real severe cases are unlikely to occur (but some times do!) on a first exposure. Someone normally has a mild/moderate reaction first or second time, and then on subsequent exposures the reaction gets progressively more severe. Its the same with the nut allergies etc.

My mother is allergic to bee stings. She has been stung about twice (in UK) as I recall. Second time her whole arm swelled up like a ballon. The next sting (if ever) could have very serious consequences for her.

For people who know they have a severe allergic reaction to something they might get exposed to (food, environment whatever), they normally carry an Epi-pen, which is a basically a needle with a drug called epinephrine for self injection:

Epinephrine autoinjector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think I posted a link earlier about the signs and symptoms of bee sting allergy, you should have a read. If you start to develop any of the signs on subsequent envenomations, I would think really carefully about carrying on.

Have fun.

As I said before, I had those mild reactions as a youngster.....maybe 5 bites all up and each time they got worse as in the amount of swelling, so much that the last time, about 20 years ago at least, my leg swelled up very large froma bite on the foot.

But now, nothing really after 4 bites except for some small local swelling.

I am wondering that if it is like asthma. you can grow out of it.

I am doing this to see if it helps tennis elbow, of which i now have 2 and I have never played tennis. Would be nice if it works.

Originally Posted by Nawty

As I said before, I had those mild reactions as a youngster.....maybe 5 bites all up and each time they got worse as in the amount of swelling, so much that the last time, about 20 years ago at least, my leg swelled up very large froma bite on the foot.

But now, nothing really after 4 bites except for some small local swelling.

I am wondering that if it is like asthma. you can grow out of it.

Anaphylaxis is a sort of runaway immune response that doesn't shut down and confine itself to the site of the irritating foreign substance. It spreads through the whole body and just keeps going and going.

I had an anaphylactic reaction a few years ago and almost died. Result of an insect sting. It happened in stages. The first few stings produced progressively more severe, but non life threatening symptoms. Then came the big one where I just made it to the hospital in time (15 minutes after envenomation). Two shots of IV adrenaline and a couple of liters of IV fluid to restore my blood pressure. It was pretty close. Certainly would have died in a few more minutes without medical aid.

After that I underwent 5 years of desensitizing injections where they inject tiny amounts of the insect venom extract under the skin at fortnightly intervals. The idea is that by gradually increasing the dosage over a number of years the bodies immune response will diminish. It seems to have worked for me, but I dont push my luck and avoid further stings. Its not 100% guaranteed but usually about a 98% success rate.

Also I have read that immunity to certain types of diseases can wear off over a number of years.
So yea, once allergic doesn't necessarily mean always allergic to that thing.
However, there are no guarantees that your immune system wont suddenly recognize the venom again and start over reacting once more.

The way I look at these sorts of things is to do a cost/benefit risk analysis.
In your case I would suggest that you are risking possible death for an unknown benefit of moderate significance. While probably not a high risk of having an anaphylactic reaction, -- with your earlier history its not a low risk either.

In your case I would say, -- low to moderate risk with extreme consequences verses moderate benefit of low certainty. Not something I would advise anyone to be doing.

Thanks, appreciate the good sense answers.

To be honest, i would rather risk this now and see if it works than going to doctors in this country.

I went to Bangkok Hospital for my elbow last month....had no ferkin idea and wanted to sting me 5k for it.....may as well sting meself.

We need some pics of the treatment in progress.

I cannot take and sting at the same time.

Did not partake in a treatment this weekend, felt a little poorly so gave it a miss.....feeling guilty now though.

Set up a tripod with a remote cable in place, give it to your boy and tell him to keep clicking....

Easy n'est pa?

Originally Posted by Bobcock

give it to your boy and tell him to keep clicking.... Easy n'est pa?

Beezy nest pa?

Where you involved with the Aids vaccine test recently in LOS? Suspect your test and that one are based on the same scientific principles!

Sad to have to announce the death of circa 1500 bees.

Not sure if they caught something from me.....or an std....or what.

But they all lay stiff and lifeless at the bottom of the hive.

Can we have a minutes silence.

Scientific studies shall be delayed until further notice.