Thread: UK - Arrests at anti-Islamic protest

BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Midlands | Arrests at anti-Islamic protest

Police in Birmingham have arrested 33 people during a demonstration against Islamic fundamentalism and counter-protest by anti-fascists.
The demonstration - by groups calling themselves the English and Welsh Defence League and Casuals United - was made up of football fans, said police.
The counter-protest was organised by campaign group Unite Against Fascism, West Midlands Police said.
Two people were injured in the disturbances in the city centre.
Police said there were "sporadic incidents of disturbance in the city centre" with the majority of the arrests being for disorder.
There was one report of criminal damage to a vehicle, but more were expected. No police officers were hurt.
'Burning flag'
Resident Gary Nichols witnessed the disturbances on Saturday evening from his city centre flat and said he was unable to go outside for about two and a half hours.
"It was very disheartening to see," he told the BBC.
"I've never experienced anything like it before in the three years I've lived here.
"It started off with a group of white guys who were chanting 'England, England'. I thought they were just football fans, but then a larger group of black and Asian people turned up and it all kicked off.
"You had people burning the Union flag. People were being kicked - some of them weren't anything to do with the protests.
"It all seemed to be very systematic - groups were arriving in cars and getting involved in the violence.
"It really wasn't nice to see and I hope I never see it again."
Speaking before Saturday's demonstrations, on the West Midlands Police website, Superintendent Matt Ward said there had been a similar protest against Islamic fundamentalism last month, involving 70 to 90 people.
He said July's protest had been "vocal" but peaceful.
Asked about the latest demonstrations, Supt Ward said the police wanted to balance the rights of protesters with retailers and shoppers who wanted to use the city centre for their normal business.

do not congregate in a crowd in england and start acting patriotic as this is obviously inviting opposition therefor deemed racist.

Why would the rent a mob anti fascists want to oppose a demo against the very thing they say they are against? Shame the Police did not arrest Islamic nutters when they demonstrated against returning troops in Luton.

Here we go..... ' rivers of blood ' ......getting closer.

My mother tells me that the local RAF had a parade in her hometown of Uxbridge this week , to welcome home some airman returning from Afghanistan. Being patriotic , she turned up with her friend to give them a cheer . She noticed that the attending crowd was very large and supportive but before long her friend pointed out that in the sea of faces there was only one Asian and one black man. For Uxbridge, this is a very strange scenario as the streets are usually awash with immigrants in their national dress. As she put it

" I didn't know there were so many of ' us ' still living here. I wonder where they all hide themselves the rest of the time ? "

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Here we go..... ' rivers of blood ' ......getting closer.

Yes. This will kick on from here...

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Here we go..... ' rivers of blood ' ......getting closer.

My mother tells me that the local RAF had a parade in her hometown of Uxbridge this week , to welcome home some airman returning from Afghanistan. Being patriotic , she turned up with her friend to give them a cheer . She noticed that the attending crowd was very large and supportive but before long her friend pointed out that in the sea of faces there was only one Asian and one black man. For Uxbridge, this is a very strange scenario as the streets are usually awash with immigrants in their national dress. As she put it

" I didn't know there were so many of ' us ' still living here. I wonder where they all hide themselves the rest of the time ? "

we have a big gathering daily it seems in wooton basset just outside swindon,
it is a village and every thing passes off with the respect the deceased deserve, and as with uxbridge very rare to see any ethnic people in attendance.
intergration and harmony has not quite arrived yet but give it time

Why would the rent a mob anti fascists want to oppose a demo against the very thing they say they are against? Shame the Police did not arrest Islamic nutters when they demonstrated against returning troops in Luton.

I see the fascists call themselves "Casuals United". And it's the anti-fascists who you call rent-a-mob - as if a bunch of knuckle-head lumpen proletariat like that aren't looking for a fight. Fuck 'em. And why shouldn't British citizens demonstrate against troops returning from more imperial adventures in Asia? They've got every right - and many would think duty - to.

The research, a collaboration between Gallup and the Coexist Foundation, challenges the view that the country’s 2.4 million Muslims are largely intolerant of the British way of life. British Muslims were found to identify more strongly with the UK (77%) than the rest of the population, and have a much higher regard for the country’s institutions (76%).


Perhaps the survey’s most surprising finding was that more than three-quarters of British Muslims (77%) said they identified “very strongly” with the UK, compared to just half (50%) of the general public. This contradicts the idea that Muslims are outsiders who have little in common with the UK, and is further borne out by a second statistic: 82% said British Muslims were loyal to the country.

3 out of 4 British Muslims strongly relate to UK » Link Muslims


So it seems your opinions don't match the research. I know which I value more.

Still, one should be honest

the poll also found that the vast majority of Muslims have extremely conservative views on moral issues such as homosexuality and the death penalty, which differ dramatically from those held by the rest of the UK population.

This is pretty repugnant but I would have thought the flag-waving Mail/Torygraph don't-you-just-hate-johnny-foreigner idiots would have found this rather attractive.

Originally Posted by Dan

The research, a collaboration between Gallup and the Coexist Foundation, challenges the view

No Dan, I don't accept that view from a PC collaboration poll. From people that live In the UK, from my brothers, and from frequent trips back there, this percentage of Islamic "tolerance" doesn't wash. Even if it did, what about the quarter of UK muslims who don't approve? Why don't they just fvck off then, and give us our streets back?

I find it repugnant that British soldiers returning from duty or just 'plain dead' from causes deemed good or bad should be demonstrated against in their own land.

Originally Posted by pompeybloke

No Dan, I don't accept that view from a PC collaboration poll. From people that live In the UK, from my brothers, and from frequent trips back there, this percentage of Islamic "tolerance" doesn't wash. Even if it did, what about the quarter of UK muslims who don't approve? Why don't they just fvck off then, and give us our streets back?

Why don't the 50% of whites who don't associate themselves with the country fuck off, too? They're all equally British.

And if you've got a problem with Gallup's work (other than the fact that it doesn't fit with your Neanderthal prejudices), then let's see a detailed critique.

I find it repugnant that British soldiers returning from duty or just 'plain dead' from causes deemed good or bad should be demonstrated against in their own land.

Tough shit. That's what living in a democracy entails.

Originally Posted by Dan

Why don't the 50% of whites who don't associate themselves with the country fuck off, too? They're all equally British.

Because it's their home.

neanderthal? ta ...get low quick...name calling early...another coward.

You missed my rather obvious point. They're all equally British. Or does being British entail not being Muslim? Is that an essential part of being British?

If your concern is with people not associating with and supporting British institutions, then you should be happy to swap the white chavs for immigrants. Of course, if this isn't the case and you just hate non-whites, come out and say it. You're amongst friends here.

^^^ Unfortunately, if some of them had their way we wouldn't have a democracy, we'd have sharia law.
The issue here is not racism or religious persecution, its about having a little respect for the country you have chosen to live in. You don't see people protesting about Chinese immigrants because they are not a burdon on the state and are content to live under the existing laws of the land. This is not how it is with a vocal minority of muslims. They come from some fucked up Islamic country and want to fuck up ours. NOTE : I said vocal minority. Unfortunately , the silent majority of muslims who are law abiding and have integrated do not do enough to distance themselves from their extremist co religionists and their silence appears in the eyes of many to give tacit approval to the latter.

IMO its a pretty cheap shot when the words facist or racist are thrown in someones face when those doing the throwing are often worse culprits themselves. For example, how happy would muslim parents be to see their sons or daughters marry an infidel christian ? Short answer ...... not very.

Originally Posted by Dan

You missed my rather obvious point. They're all equally British. Or does being British entail not being Muslim? Is that an essential part of being British?

If your concern is with people not associating with and supporting British institutions, then you should be happy to swap the white chavs for immigrants. Of course, if this isn't the case and you just hate non-whites, come out and say it. You're amongst friends here.

First of all, you are not my friend. Secondly, I have some very good friends in England of Carribean origin, so don't try and stick me into some sort sf stereo-typical fascist box; you tried that on another thread. muslims don't assimilate and are a threat.

Are you muslim perchance?

muslims don't assimilate and are a threat.

For example, how happy would muslim parents be to see their sons or daughters marry an infidel christian ? Short answer ...... not very

And these scholarly pieces of sociological research are based on.....?

First of all, you are not my friend.

Indeed not. The friends I was referring to were your fellow racists on this board. I thought it was clear enough but I'll paint clearer signposts for you in future.

And you didn't answer this question:

They're all equally British. Or does being British entail not being Muslim? Is that an essential part of being British?

They're all equally British. Or does being British entail not being Muslim? Is that an essential part of being British?

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gotta chip in on this one dan, for a lot of brits, yes it does, to be a brit, u have to be born there have british parents/parent, have the morals, make that ethics of the british, ie chritian ethics, you can practice what religion u like but not in the legal system, you can hold/say what views u like, but not stir anty british sentement. this means no stoneing no setting fire to a woman raped ect, but then you know all the above, dont u. question is do you understand and believe it.

Originally Posted by Dan

And these scholarly pieces of sociological research are based on.....?

err...personal experience, or does it have to be learnt from a book, oh scholarly one?

Originally Posted by Dan

Indeed not. The friends I was referring to were your fellow racists on this board. I thought

Name calling again, very cowardly, and ignorant.

Dan

Are you a pacifist, because that it the way that you are coming across? Do you feel that it is correct for people to jeer a homecoming parade for soldiers that at fighting in another country, albeit that this fight is taking place on behest of the UN.

Originally Posted by Dan

Why don't the 50% of whites who don't associate themselves with the country fuck off, too? They're all equally British.

I wish they would.

Originally Posted by Dan

Tough shit. That's what living in a democracy entails.

We dont live in a democracy.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bob

"You had people burning the Union flag. People were being kicked - some of them weren't anything to do with the protests.

Bet the flag was made in China??? So at least someones happy...

Some people getting kicked that weren't anything to do with it??? Sounds like the UK to me...

Originally Posted by Dan

And these scholarly pieces of sociological research are based on.....?

Actually I have found that 'if' you want to marry a Muslim girl...you MUST convert to Islam...whatever happened to just being you???? surely the girl doesn't give a monkeys??? She marrying you because she loves you...

(And doesn't want ot be treated like a slave, or have acid thrown on her by your mother..) gonna get screwed for that one surely..

When it all comes down to it surely everyone one should be against 'fundamentalism' of any religion...Just look at George Bush...parts 1 & 2....Fundamentalists.
Fundamentally fricking 'Mental' Along with all the people that spout lies and hatred accross our fair planet.

Flag burning...why does everyone get so uptight about flags....they cause more problems than most things....I thought that in the UK we could fly flags without permission..or on certain days???

Actually I have found that 'if' you want to marry a Muslim girl...you MUST convert to Islam...whatever happened to just being you????

Catholics have the same rule.

Originally Posted by lob

gotta chip in on this one dan, for a lot of brits, yes it does, to be a brit, u have to be born there have british parents/parent, have the morals, make that ethics of the british, ie chritian ethics, you can practice what religion u like but not in the legal system, you can hold/say what views u like, but not stir anty british sentement. this means no stoneing no setting fire to a woman raped ect, but then you know all the above, dont u. question is do you understand and believe it.

So these guys, Brits or not:


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Originally Posted by larvidchr

No Dan is just one of those left wing's that don't seem to be able to debate an Issue without getting hysterical and calling half the board fascists, it's part of the left wing training in the communists youth camps "when ever your argumentation is weak, which is nearly all the time, you just start screaming - uneducated racists fascists Nazi Zionist murderers of children

Very true, should be called desperate Dan. Have a friend of similar sympathies back home who used to live in the same 90% Muslim street. She is white, middle class and a lover of the ethnic mix (hardly) of the neighborhood. Also a member of the Socialist workers party and various other organizations she would go on marches opposing the 'fascists' them being everyone else not agreeing with her.
Two weeks ago she finally moved from her heaven of multiculturalism-she's had enough of her and the daughter being harassed by Muslim men and being told to get off the street as they are dressed like whores, this is in middle England not Afghanistan! She went to the cops who say they can do nothing without evidence, however I expect the reaction would have been different if she was a woman in a Burka complaining of racist harassment. She moved to a town 20 miles away almost free of Islamification. I did not say I told you so, that's the reality of inner city islamification in the UK today.

Islam means submission. Muslims plan to dominate the Western world. That is their goal and prediction. The moderate Muslim silence ought to give a clue.
There was a time when the Muslims were kicked out of Europe. That time may come again in yet another war on the European continent. Mohamed was not Jesus, he was a warrior and he is reported in the Quaran to have said,
"kill the infidel"... that's anyone who does not believe in their particular brand of Islam. Sunni, Shia, Wahabbi, et al.