President Obama News Thread

**Panda** · 01-08-2009, 04:41 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese dont have a back up plan to move in and buy up big chunks of USA with their $US reserves when it all goes pear shaped and the $US drops drastically in value.
We could see a whole new set of labels on products, -- "Made in USA, -- owned in China".

**Panda** · 01-08-2009, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I feel so sorry for the people who pump this sorry thread. Its only two sad sack souls. What never do acid as a child?

Do you feel left out? You post but never say anything. I am so glad that I am not the one that had the bad trip. Sucks to be you. Haters.

Ho hum.. you again. Probably one of the worst troll attempts I have ever seen.

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Careful there you two, care to look at the US GDP against the European Union GDP, who are the "weenie" now?.
Checking my Grandchildren, my Children and myself it seems we do not carry a debt to the state that it will take generations to pay back, and that is with Uhh So all the 55555555's aside I'm seriously afraid the joke is on you

Ps. I really do feel sorry for you though.

Um, how much are your tax rates again? And how much is a beer? I heard the Scandies resort to taking ferry rides between countries so they can afford a pint.
Last Dane I knew in Thailand made "disability" benefits of Bt60,000 or so a month -- couldn't work coz of a bad back, but he seemed to ride his motocyc OK and I only saw him suffer from his daily hangovers. Yep, nice system.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Can you sell Oregon and California, too? The Chinese would take them.

Yes better sell now or the Chinese will really just take them. Jet knows, shes a BC resident.

I can't decide who's taken over, the Chinese or the Koreans. Depends on the neighbourhood. Many kimchee counties now, and if you have a shop in one of their strip malls, get ready to move when your lease expires, unless you want to see your rent rise ten times the current payout. Take your life in your hands when you walk across one of their parking lots, too.

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Um, how much are your tax rates again?

Around 40% and up. Let the broader shoulder carry the burden. Have some deduction posibilities.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And how much is a beer?

In shops from 12 Baht and up. Anyway cheaper than Thailand. In Pubs from 90 Baht and up. (33cl) Doesn't come with semi-naked girls

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I heard the Scandies resort to taking ferry rides between countries so they can afford a pint.

Not Danes. We go North American, and drive the Vehicle to Germany, and there we do not pay the recycling fee.
I work with Germans and we buy cheap beers for them in Germany,cause they can't.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Last Dane I knew in Thailand made "disability" benefits of Bt60,000 or so a month -- couldn't work coz of a bad back, but he seemed to ride his motocyc OK and I only saw him suffer from his daily hangovers.

Not easy to getaway with that these days, cause every hand is needed, or atleast was 6 month ago. He could be an Alcoholic, that it was convenient to get rid of. (Outsoursing ?)

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Yep, nice system.

I don't know, but its ours. We are more pussy-like than you. Haven't got what it takes to see neighbours or friends ending up in the gutter, and then we would have to ruin ourselves to help them out, so we go "Dutch". Egoisme ?. You prefer the other system; so vote for that. No need to worry bout us

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 04:55 AM

^ Interesting. I thought prices, taxes were much higher. Mebbe other Scandi countries?

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 05:38 AM

Oh, Denmark IS expensive, because people has a somewhat fair pay. So, it all evens out.
Vat = 25% and the shocker is the 180% registration tax on Motorvehicles. We have the oldest cars in EU

It is about redistributing wealth. A danish writer, poet, priest and politician, named Grundtvig, said in the 19 century:

"Then have we in prosperity taken it far, when a few have too much, and even fewer too little".

(In danish it rhymes

)

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 06:18 AM

^ Gulp. That's alot of VAT and car fees. (I thought we had it bad in BC at 13%). C'mon, how much for a head of lettuce and a kilo of moo?

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 06:40 AM

^ I'll check it out tommorow

**Norton** · 02-08-2009, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Ps. I really do feel sorry for you though.

Denmark spends 6.9% of it's GDP on health care and you guys cover everyone! The US is at 17% GDP and 46 million with no insurance.

Our much revered Congress seems perplexed at formulating a health care bill which cuts costs and covers everyone. Maybe they don't know this is something that is already in place and proven in several countries.

We really need some help so thank you for your sympathy but would you be kind enough to send a copy of your health care program rules and structure to the US Congress. Express mail please. I will personally reimburse you.

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 02:03 PM

^ Them Danes are hardy folks and never ask for elective surgery?

The organisation and financing of the Danish health care system was evaluated within a framework of a SWOT analysis (analysis of strengths, weakness, opportunities and threats) by a panel of five members with a background in health economics. The evaluation was based on reading an extensive amount of selected documents and literature on the Danish health care system, and a one-week visit to health care authorities, providers and key persons. The present paper includes the main findings by one of the panel members. The dominance of tax financing helps to achieve control over the level of health care expenditure, as well as securing equity in financing the services. The reliance on local government for financing and running health care has both advantages and disadvantages, and the split between county and municipal responsibility leads to problems of co-ordination. The remuneration of general practitioners by a mix of capitation payment and fee for services has the advantage of capping expenditure whilst leaving the GPs with an incentive to compete for patients by providing them with good services. The GP service is remarkably economical. The hospital sector displays much strength, but there seem to be problems with respect to: (i) perceived lack of resources and waiting lists; (ii) impersonal care, lack of continuity of care and failures in communication between patients and staff; (iii) management problems and sometimes demotivated staff. The relationship between patients and providers is facilitated by free access to GPs and absence of any charges for hospital treatment. The biggest threat is continuation of avoidable illness caused by poor health habits in the population. The biggest opportunity is to strengthen public health measures to tackle these poor health habits.
Elsevier: Article Locator

**Norton** · 02-08-2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Them Danes are hardy folks and never ask for elective surgery?

More opinion Jet. Show me the facts.

**sabang** · 02-08-2009, 02:08 PM

Them Danes had the wisdom to keep Healthcare in the public service, non-profit sector.

**Norton** · 02-08-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Danes had the wisdom to keep Healthcare in the public service, non-profit sector.

Well then that rules my idea out.

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 02:20 PM

^ Oy, I added a quote after...

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

elective surgery?

I am not sure what that is. But if it makes you feel better, then I can asure you, that we do have Insurance- Companies, and if you feel you have further needs, they will be more than happy to take your money. Be carefull to read what is marked with **** in their Policies.
* Not valid for Faroe Islands and Greenland
** Not valid if you need it

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 02:39 PM

^ I didn't know it either until it became the hip term.

Elective surgery: Surgery that is subject to choice (election). The choice may be made by the patient or doctor.
For example, the time when a surgical procedure is performed may be elective. The procedure is beneficial to the patient but does not need be done at a particular time.
As opposed to urgent or emergency surgery.

Could be hip replacement, cataracts, hysterectomies,,,

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 02:46 PM

^ Free

**Jet Gorgon** · 02-08-2009, 03:48 PM

^ Free in Canada, too. But the timing is iffy, even if you're in a bed and scheduled for surgery the next day, Oops! Sorry, Mr Smith, an emergency patient came in and we need your bed.

**helge** · 02-08-2009, 04:59 PM

^ Some problems here that the patients are not showing up on sceduled days. Expensive to have operation- teams being burned like that. Talking about fining no-show'ers.

Otherwise we have treatment-garenty, meaning must treat you within a government set timeframe, or you will be sent to other countries to recieve what you need.

**larvidchr** · 03-08-2009, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by sabang

Danes had the wisdom to keep Healthcare in the public service, non-profit sector.

Well then that rules my idea out.

I'm afraid that the very strong lobby who in the US protects the hen laying the diamond studded golden egs, have to much success picking selectively small problems from public healthcare around the world, and then blow them out of proportion thus creating a false horror scenario, and using totally unrelated words like socialism in connection with healthcare is just a dirty spin but it works in the US, nothing worse than socialism

But no minor waiting lists or other minor complaints, can in reality be comparable to the disaster of not having healthcare plans for 46 million citizens, that in the country who like to tell all of us, that they are the most advanced and the best at everything. It is living prof that money in the US political system effectively can stop the democracy from working efficiently, the lobbyists promoting a thieving insurance industry that provides nothing but added expense to healthcare are indeed the devils advocates and the politicians that buy the spin should have 24/7 enemas.

**Boon Mee** · 03-08-2009, 05:11 AM

Guess what's popping up all over LA? Heh...the bloom has definitely gone off the rose...

The poster above has been blooming in Los Angeles:

**Jet Gorgon** · 03-08-2009, 05:20 AM

^ Pretty scary for LA.

**Boon Mee** · 03-08-2009, 05:24 AM

Not even Billy Mays could sell BOcare...

**Panda** · 03-08-2009, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Free in Canada, too. But the timing is iffy, even if you're in a bed and scheduled for surgery the next day, Oops! Sorry, Mr Smith, an emergency patient came in and we need your bed.

What happens in USA when an emergency patient comes in?
Does the elective surgery get preference over the emergency patients needs?

**robuzo** · 03-08-2009, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by larvidchr

I'm afraid that the very strong lobby who in the US protects the hen laying the diamond studded golden egs, have to much success picking selectively small problems from public healthcare around the world, and then blow them out of proportion thus creating a false horror scenario, and using totally unrelated words like socialism in connection with healthcare is just a dirty spin but it works in the US, nothing worse than socialism

Anyone interested in this issue, for a fascinating glimpse into the shocking world of US healthcare, check out this interview. Wendell Potter was one of the top execs at Cigna, and has turned whistleblower because his conscience got to him. Conscience not being a big issue for the "Fuck You I Got Mine"- i.e., Republican- Party, but they are pretty much marginalized anyway, so it's the Democrats that need to listen up and get their shit together:
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS
Wendell Potter tells Bill Moyers why he left his successful career as the head of Public Relations for CIGNA, one of the nation's largest insurers, and decided to speak out against the industry.

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