What The GOP needs

**Lambik** · 18-04-2009, 05:32 PM

McCain’s former campaign manager Steve Schmidt says what the GOP needs is to
embrace gay marriage, move away from religion, and be more leftist.

McCain strategist endorses same-sex marriage - Washington Blade

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Is this the "right" new way for the GOP ?

**Jet Gorgon** · 18-04-2009, 05:47 PM

^ No.

**Lambik** · 18-04-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ No.

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Why ? please

**Norton** · 18-04-2009, 06:28 PM

“I think that more and more Americans are insistent that, at a minimum, gay couples should be treated with respect and when they see a political party trying to stigmatize a group of people who are hardworking, who play by the rules, who raise decent families, they’re troubled by it.”

A reasonable statement supported by poll after poll. A political party that embraces a policy of stigmatizing gays or for that matter any other group will continue to lose support of moderates.

**barbaro** · 18-04-2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lambik

McCain’s former campaign manager Steve Schmidt says what the GOP needs is to
embrace gay marriage, move away from religion, and be more leftist.

McCain strategist endorses same-sex marriage - Washington Blade

Where does Steve Schmidt say "leftist?" Can you paste this please.

**Norton** · 18-04-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lambik

move away from religion, and be more leftist.

Didn't see much on these in your link. Can you expand?

**Attilla the Hen** · 18-04-2009, 06:55 PM

Yes, I think it is. There are many, many people that are fiscally conservative, yet, socially liberal. Their natural tendancy is probably Republican, but, are put off by the religeous right and their looney agenda, so, they vote Democrat.

It's a simple numbers game. Are the Republicans losing more votes than gaining them by snuggling up to the religious right? That point may have now been reached.

**Lambik** · 18-04-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Lambik

move away from religion, and be more leftist.

Didn't see much on these in your link. Can you expand?

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McCainiacs: GOP Needs More Leftist Mavericks — New England Republican

**barbaro** · 18-04-2009, 07:06 PM

Here is the article - you should have just included the article, instead of a link, only.

Steve Schmidt did NOT say this. He is not quoted anywhere about "left-wing."

The link below in blue, the color blue is from a blog with an anonymous author.

A very dodgy post.

McCainiacs: GOP Needs More Leftist Mavericks

by Optimistic Patriot
McCain’s former campaign manager Steve Schmidt says what the GOP needs is to embrace gay marriage, move away from religion, and be more leftist. But in case Mr. Schmidt didn’t notice, he just ran a center left campaign and lost. Remember how you and your boss thought the independents and centrist Democrats were going to flock to the Maverick? Remember how fair the press was to you, Center Left Coalition Dude? Remember how you had to bring a real conservative in to energize your moribund campaign? Have you given any thought to how your fund raising and rallies picked up steam once the conservative joined? Remember how Barack Obama, a guy who only showed up for photo ops on illegal immgiration, wiped the floor with your candidate with Hispanics after McCain risked everything for them?

Republicans didn’t lose the election because of some new found left-wing coalition. They lost because they gave up on conservative principles. If we listen to the David Brooks and Megan McCains of the world, there’s no hope for the GOP. You’re not going to out left the left. You tried, and it failed miserably. Now is the time to stand on conservative principles, not swing farther left.
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Link (again): McCainiacs: GOP Needs More Leftist Mavericks — New England Republican

**S Landreth** · 18-04-2009, 07:20 PM

Real simple,…………..the GOP needs an original thought (to answer the thread question)! They are wrong about soooooooo many things,….embracing the religious right being one of them.

**Norton** · 18-04-2009, 07:23 PM

^Your link sends me to the New England Republican site. Still can find nothing which is a direct quote from Steve Schmidt regarding religion and moving to the left.

None the less, it is my opinion if the Republicans want to regain the support they once enjoyed, they cannot run hard line on social issues. Whether the issue is abortion, gay rights, gun control, or foriegn policy the Republican Party is big enough to embrace a variety of opinions on these issues and should not a party exclusively for those who are to the far right on these issues.

**Norton** · 18-04-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ No.

No? No change needed in the GOP?
Dems will be delighted with this in the next election.

**GooMaiRoo** · 18-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Picking the taxpayers' pockets by the trillion$ and sending it on to Wall Street is a much bigger issue than whether gays should marry. Neither Democrat or Republican politicians will address the fact that their leaders are in the hip pocket of Wall Street and enabling the destruction of the US economy. A candidate from either party can energize American voters if he addresses this overriding issue. All of this crap about gay marriages is just another irrelevant and distracting sideshow.

**Attilla the Hen** · 18-04-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Picking the taxpayers' pockets by the trillion$ and sending it on to Wall Street is a much bigger issue than whether gays should marry. Neither Democrat or Republican politicians will address the fact that their leaders are in the hip pocket of Wall Street and enabling the destruction of the US economy. A candidate from either party can energize American voters if he addresses this overriding issue. All of this crap about gay marriages is just another irrelevant and distracting sideshow.

You seem to believe that there was a choice in bailing out the banks. There was none.
It wouldn't have mattered who was in the whitehouse, the action would have been the same and if you deluded right-wingers think otherwise, then you clearly don't understand the problem.
The banks and the financial industry is the foundation that the whole of the capitalist system rests upon. If it fails, everything else goes with it. It is unique.
No matter how distasteful, the financial system had to be saved with whatever means at the disposal of the government and without respect to any ideology, left, or, right.

If the government hadn't poured trillions of tax-payers money rescuing banks and shoring up confidence, the resulting Depression would have made the one in the 30's look like heaven on earth.

**GooMaiRoo** · 19-04-2009, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Picking the taxpayers' pockets by the trillion$ and sending it on to Wall Street is a much bigger issue than whether gays should marry. Neither Democrat or Republican politicians will address the fact that their leaders are in the hip pocket of Wall Street and enabling the destruction of the US economy. A candidate from either party can energize American voters if he addresses this overriding issue. All of this crap about gay marriages is just another irrelevant and distracting sideshow.

You seem to believe that there was a choice in bailing out the banks. There was none.
It wouldn't have mattered who was in the whitehouse, the action would have been the same and if you deluded right-wingers think otherwise, then you clearly don't understand the problem.

I'm not sure if it logically follows that a person is a "deluded right-winger" if he believes that Washington is owned by Wall Street and leading the country into an economic abyss. Sorry if I've been reading deluded right wing publications such as the New York Times, Rolling Stone and The Atlantic, all with excellent articles about how Wall Street has taken over Washington and is driving the country toward disaster. Obama's economic policies are warmed-over Bush giveaways to Wall Street, bond-holders and credit-default swap counter-parties in faraway countries.

"Financial Policy Despair" ( Paul Krugman):
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/op...gman.html?_r=1

"How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution" (Matt Taibbi):
The Big Takeover : Rolling Stone

"The Quiet Coup" (Simon Johnson, former chief economist of the World Bank): The Quiet Coup - The Atlantic (May 2009)

I'll leave you with a recent quote by economist and fund manager John Hussman:
Hussman Funds - Weekly Market Comment: Green Shoots over Thin Ice - April 13, 2009 excerpt:

"Fundamentally, my view is that the U.S. economy is on very thin ice, and that by focusing on the bailout of corporate bondholders rather than the restructuring of debt, we are courting the risk of a far deeper downturn. Last year, I didn't think it was conceivable that policy-makers would attempt to address this problem by making lenders whole with public funds. This is an ethical abomination, putting the public in the position of absorbing the losses that should properly be borne by those who provided capital to these institutions. It is not sustainable. What it does is place the public in the position of losing first, but it will not, and cannot prevent the ultimate failure of the debt – for the simple reason that without restructuring, the debt can't be serviced."

**Jet Gorgon** · 19-04-2009, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ No.

No? No change needed in the GOP?
Dems will be delighted with this in the next election.

That's not what I said. (You turning radcial libbie on me, Norts?

)
I still think many folks like the old values. Hey, it works in muslim countries.

I don't give a fek if gays want to marry, and it's a state decision anyway. The main reason they want marriage rights, as I can see, is economic -- one dies, the other can get the spouse pension benefits.
I hope the Reps hold onto their values. For example, anyone who agrees with late-term abortion is an a**hole, IMO.
But go ahead, let the libbies demoralise the nation like China did. Funny, how many Christians and Buddhists have come out of hiding since commie China relaxed religious rules?
Don't forget, many blacks and Latinos are church-goers. Probably the main reason Prop 8 passed in California.

**sabang** · 19-04-2009, 05:43 AM

Simply put, the GOP needs to move towards the more moderate, tradtionally conservative Republicanism embodied by Ike, Bush snr, and mcCain.

Unfortunately, McCain ain't the man to take them there- too old & lacks the charisma. The far right will go back to being what it always was- a faction- or the GOP will remain in the political wilderness until it does. The US electorate won't be fooled again, at least not anytime soon.

**Lambik** · 19-04-2009, 06:29 AM

[quote=Milkman;1028115]Here is the article - you should have just included the article, instead of a link, only.

A very dodgy post.

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In agreement if dodgy is synonym to malicious.

DaffyDuck · 19-04-2009, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Lambik

McCain’s former campaign manager Steve Schmidt says what the GOP needs is to
embrace gay marriage, move away from religion, and be more leftist.

Yes, they should be more open mind, but judging by their members, I doubt that will happen...

**Jet Gorgon** · 19-04-2009, 07:37 AM

^ Why change a good thing?

**Lambik** · 19-04-2009, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Why change a good thing?

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Apparently the good things are not always the "right" things.

**Jet Gorgon** · 19-04-2009, 09:17 AM

^ Depends on the viewpoint. Interesting, Chavez thinks nationalising his countries' industries is the right thing, but hey, check out the country's abortion law: Venezuela
In Venezuela abortion is only permitted to save the life of the woman in which case the woman, her husband or her legal representative (in case she is single or a minor) must present her written consent. The law establishes up to 2 years prison for the woman who aborts while whoever practices the abortion faces up to 30 months prison. If the husband were responsible for the abortion, the sanctions are more severe.

Gee, never mind Khun bambam, does Sean Penn know?

http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/5010.html

**Muadib** · 19-04-2009, 09:27 AM

^ Yeah, right... Tell that to Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Conoco Phillips, France's Total, British Petroleum and Norway's Statoil who had their oil production facilities 'nationalized' by Hugo and summarily kicked out of the country... Then there is Hugo's interference in Colombian politics & policy... Really sweet guy... Just ask any Venezuelan who has left the country... The ones still there don't dare say anything negative about the government for fear of retribution...

It's one thing to normalize relations with nations whom the US has differing policies, but it appears BO is dancing with the devil lately...

**Butterfly** · 19-04-2009, 09:40 AM

what the GOP needs is to dissolve and start from scratch

they are done, thanks to our liberal hero GW Bush

**Jet Gorgon** · 19-04-2009, 10:11 AM

^ Dem thoughts are right up your back alley, huh, BFly?

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