Simplistic , what of the children who's parents are dead ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DroversDog
and Terry , I couldn't care less about popularity , I sleep well at night something someone who is prepared to sacrifice children will never know .
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Simplistic , what of the children who's parents are dead ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DroversDog
and Terry , I couldn't care less about popularity , I sleep well at night something someone who is prepared to sacrifice children will never know .
Mid, where the fuk are you really coming from bro ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Its the smugglers and the kids parents that are doing the sacrificing not the Aussie government.
The fuking kids ain't going to die in Malaysia. What do you think is going to happen to them ? Some fuker going to eat them or something.
Jeez.
It is unlikely that they are dead unless the child is using the inheritance money to fund the trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Children are sent by themselves as once they are in it is easier for the rest of they family to follow. It is a nice scam that plays on the heart strings of some people. Unfortunately the parents are risking their child so that they can move to a better country.
Christmas Island boat tragedy just for starters .Quote:
Originally Posted by DroversDog
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Originally Posted by Mid
Thats the best idea you come up with all night Mid.
Have a Bex, a nice lay down and a bottle of Sherry, you'll feel better tomorrow.
I'm a bit disappointed in you Mid as you have not raised one decent solution to our problem except this cry baby shit.
Any body can do that, its easy mate but someone has to bite the bullet and the Government are going to do that.
Jeez , indeed ,Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
forced prostitution and labour with out a doubt .
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Originally Posted by Mid
Oh fuk yes, that was our fault wasn't it.
Fuk me. You are getting worse.
and your cavalier attitude to the welfare of children is indecentQuote:
Originally Posted by terry57
you sad fcuk
Another piece of un thought through rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Our government will be watching these children very closely, they ain't going to take the chance that could happen.
They have already stated Australian representatives will be watching this situation in Malaysia.
Let me preempt your reply : No they wont there lying. :rolleyes:
wtf do you think the Aust government can do in Malaysia ?
JHC you ARE naive .
Thanks for that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
They will be flown to Malaysia on a fuking plane unlike the leaky boat they rocked up on that your smuggling mates provided which there parents payed 10 k for.
Get a grip you tart, they will be perfectly looked after over there.
People are cavalier who send their children on boats which are known to be leaky, and which have had an unknown number of wrecks in the past. If it was me, I would spend the (substantial) amount of money on my children in my home country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
They will be appointing overseers to make sure the situation is monitored correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Fuking hell, they closed down the beef industry in Indonesia because a few arseholes where mistreating cattle.
If the people are mistreated they will have no choice but to stop the repatriation.
The smugglers would love that.
You think too much mate in a silly fuking way.
Chill out for fuk sake.
nothing further to be gained here , if you believe this you are a bigger idiot than I thought .Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
your ignorance is astounding , for one who is so well travelled you really do not have a clue
The Australian government has an _enormous_ vested interest in seeing that those people will not be mistreated in Malaysia, as if any are at all, the govt will lose huge credibility.
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Of course, they will be the best monitored refugees in the history of the world but
fence sitters like Mid will never admit that and would rather Australia be over run with illegal refugees.
Sorry Mid but you are indeed a fuk wit and a blinkered one at that.
It is big news in Oz...Not only the govt but all the Australian people will be watching.....via news reports, and by public and private media agencies.
I think Mid is just cynical about government treatment of refugees in Asian countries in the past. He may have a point, but it's not a valid one in this particular case.
Its people like Mid that offer up nothing in the way of an alternative to sending these people on to Malaysia for processing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
At the same time he is prepared to stand on his soap box proclaiming that its an unfair policy and the refugees will be mistreated in Malaysia, a blanket statement born out of ignorance to what could be a viable outcome as long as they are not mistreated.
He is not even prepared to even test the waters and see if it works.
This is why the majority of Australians consider him and his followers not worthy of consideration, they would rather see Australia flooded with illegals than make a difficult decision and try something different.
Fuking pathetic bunch at best.
dont fret the bleeding heart do gooders will tell the world if one of these que jumpers gets hurt.
worst part is the gov will be short lived at next election so that mongrel abbot will have to deal with it and he a fence sitter to busy bagging gillard and bringing australia into the world press.
the whole malaysian deal is being filmed and will be released world wide as this is how australia deals with boat people. seeing as they all have mobile phones and internet privilages in australian detention hopefully they tell the others coming behind them where they will end up Malaysia
wont be long and this country will be like the UK if a stance is not taken now
spot the pommie and win a prize last time i was going through heathrow couldnt see one .
Mid, I gotta vote with Terry on this one. You can't make exceptions for unaccompanied kids or the whole thing falls apart. This illegal immigration has to be stopped and taking out the smuggler's incentive right from the get go is the best option. The kids will be fine, they won't end up as prostitutes or whatever your worst fears tell you.
It's comparable to the US gov't. policy on paying ransoms - we don't do it, no exceptions because it would open the floodgates for every two bit kidnapper or terrorist out there to make a quick buck. Same with your immi problem, no exceptions even for unaccompanied kids.
saturday morning paper some female green senator is jumping up and down about the kids.
country is going to shit
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Originally Posted by corvettelover
Yes I must agree, Abbot is a truly disturbing character Indeed, Much to busy bagging Gillard and very short on alternative policy.
Very much like Mid responding to our problem by bagging me but offering fuk all towards a solution.
I don't mind a decent debate but fence sitters are worth fuk all and we can see this as Mid has foked off and run the minute mile in 50 seconds.
Update.
Today the government has flown in extra police officers, the plane transfer expected to begin on Monday.
Good on you Gillard, hold firm and maybe you wont be arse holed in the next election.
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Originally Posted by corvettelover
Not a problem, she's pissing in the wind, the Liberals are grasping at straws.
More the Liberals cry the stronger Gillard gets.
obviously got under your skin terry and rightly so , I've neither foked off nor am I a fence sitter
I am very much in disagreement with your proposed course of action as are the large , up to now silent , majority of right thinking Australians
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Mid,
I have no problem with you as you are an intelligent fellow and pen some very good posts.
I respect your stance and I realize you are extremely worried about the future of the Children but you must also realize that Australia is teetering on the brink of an all out invasion of Illegal boat people.
We must take affirmative action as this influx is getting out of control, the smugglers are taking advantage of Australia's soft stance and our human rights issue.
Be well assured the children will be protected.
Total bull shit , the FACT is Australia has a minuscule number of the worlds refugeesQuote:
Originally Posted by terry57
The majority by a country mile are in West Bank + Gaza .
Refugee Council of Australia
Australia isn't even in the top dozen .
meanwhile there is also opposition in Malaysia ..................
‘No’ to child refugees in Malaysia
Stephanie Sta Maria
August 6, 2011
Both the Malaysian and Australian governments, are being slammed for allowing '13 unaccompanied children' to be transferred to Malaysia under the refugee swap deal.
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PETALING JAYA: News that 19 minors will be among the first batch of refugees to arrive in Malaysia from Australia on Sunday has sparked outrage against the governments of both countries.
The boatload of 54 Afghan refugees that was intercepted in Australian waters earlier this week are currently in Christmas Island.
They are expected to board a flight to Kuala Lumpur by tomorrow.
On Thursday night two senior Malaysian police officers flew into Christmas Island to inspect the process of selecting asylum-seekers for transfer.
The refugee swap deal between both countries was signed on July 25 amid strong protests that refugees arriving in Australia would be sent to a country with a shocking human rights record.
To date neither government has released any further information on where the refugees will be staying upon arrival in Kuala Lumpur or how they will seek employment and so forth.
There was also a glaring omission of children – accompanied or unaccompanied – in the agreement.
Therefore the latest announcement that a group of minors – 13 of whom are unaccompanied – will be part of this first group here has intensified criticism of the deal.
Suaram Project Coordinator, Andika Abdul Wahab, lamented that the biggest problem is that no one knows anything about the deal.
“The governments have said that the refugees will be placed in a community cente here but where is that centre?”
“Even our colleagues in Australia are in the dark.
“So there is a strong possibility that these 54 refugees will be temporarily placed in a detention centre instead,” he said.
Malaysia tight-lipped
Andika said Suaram was against the whole swap deal.
“Suaram is against this deal in its entirety because as long as these people are human they have their rights and Australia is in no position to kick them out.
Malaysia on the other hand should treat these people according to the Convention of the Rights of the Child which it ratified in 1995.”
Amnesty International Malaysia, which is closely monitoring the situation, also vented its frustration over the Malaysian government’s refusal to reveal any details on the deal.
“This is madness…The government has been so tight-lipped over everything.
“We don’t even know what time they are arriving on Sunday, whether its a commercial or chartered flight…nothing.”
“And the fact that children will arrive here is extremely very worrying because who will be responsible for their well-being?
“This whole deal is like “batuk di hujung tangga” (to not pursue something wholeheartedly),” said its executive director, Nora Murat.
Human rights lawyer, Andrew Khoo, had earlier told FMT, said that it would take a month for the details of the swap deal to be ironed out and for the arrangements to be fully operational.
But when contacted yesterday a surprised Khoo panned the Australian government for displaying negligence over the protection of children.”
“It is not in their best interest to be sent to Malaysia and Australia should have shown more moral and legal responsibility,” he said.
“I’m also very surprised that this first batch includes 19 minors.
“That’s a significant 20% of the boatload and very worrying.”
‘Children vulnerable in Malaysia’
Meanwhile Australia’s opposition immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, has slammed his government for creating a Catch 22 situation.
Morrison, who had visited Malaysia in June and gave a thumbs down on the refugee conditions here, declared that the Australian government would fail regardless of its next move.
He pointed out that the government cannot give the same assurance that refugees would be protected in Malaysia as they are in Nauru.
“They know children are vulnerable in Malaysia, they know they can’t send them all there.
“And they only have to make one exception for that to become the rule for people smugglers.”
“And the government just doesn’t seem to understand that.
“They think they can just put out a YouTube video and say there won’t be blanket exemptions,” he told ABC news yesterday.
The Australian government will post on YouTube, images of so-called boatpeople being turned away and sent to Malaysia, in an effort to deter asylum seekers.
But Morrison argued: “Children are always going to turn up and they simply don’t have an answer, and the people smugglers will see right through that.”
Meanwhile Australian Immigration Minister, Chris Bowen, has refused to confirm the fate of the minors but said that as of yesterday no decision had been made to let any of them stay in Australia.
freemalaysiatoday.com
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Gaza and the Middle East is not our problem, no use debating this.
Australia has witnessed the Illegal immigration first hand especially what is going on in England.
Its diabolical what has happened to England .
Australia will take refugees but only once they have joined the Que and been processed.
We will not except refugees that pay 10k to jump said Que.
The latest bunch of refugees have been sent to the back of the Que and rightly so.
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Ok, I've read the above cut and paste and its only one journalist opinion.
Means fuk all and as expected paints the Australian government in a bad light but offers no alternative.
Worth fok all.
Mid, how about you giving us your solution instead of posting this shite ?
Absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Plus the fact that over 80 % of illegal immigrants fly into Aus.
Still, I guess political spin, media hype, and general ignorance will prevail.
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Originally Posted by jandajoy
Oh yes, here we have the little JJ weighing in to back up Mid.
For all the people that don't know little JJ he is a Pommy throttler that Tefles ( Teaches ) our natives in Northern Australia and is payed a handsome wedge to do so.
Not foking hard by the way and left to the desperate. 1 +1 = 3. :)
He is on a very handsome contract that enables him to scuttle back and forth between Darwin and Thailand.
His recompense is payed by tax payers such as my self which he spends in Thailand and is building a house in the middle of " No Where".
Fuk off JJ, You are no where near the level of Mid.
Mid is struggling to pen a decent reason why Australia should not deport the Illegal refugees, he flirts back and forth between emotional reasons but never addressing the big issue.
Actually Mid has not even given the reading public a reason why he should be taken seriously.
There is no reason we can consider his musing credible and far as little JJ goes. ????
What a waste of fuking band width.
As I said, "general ignorance".
EXEMPLIFIED.
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Originally Posted by terry57
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A serious topic which is way beyond your debating level JJ.
As usual you trot in with your one word shite.
Fok off back to your Katoey and leave it to the big boys.
Sponging off us Australian tax payers is your game and I would swap a refugee for you any day. :gwbush:
:chitown:
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Originally Posted by Mid
Although I would agree that Australia has a small number of refugees compared to the USA or Canada, I would not call the actual number miniscule. And don't forget, we have a smaller population (10% of the USA's ).Quote:
Originally Posted by jandajoy
Mid, I just clicked on the link you provided. It seems you have not read it properly, which destroys your credibility. You say that "The majority by a country mile are in West Bank + Gaza". What nonsense ! Point #3 in that link lists "Ratio of Refugees to Host Country Populations" and these 2 countries come in at the top of that particular list only because THEY HAVE TINY POPULATIONS.
It's a RATIO, you twit ! Where is your sense of proportion ? You just said that the majority of the world's refugees (by a country mile) are in the West Bank and Gaza. Do you realize what a ridiculous statement that is ??????
Jandajoy, you are just as silly and lacking in credibility to say that 80% of illegal immigrants fly into Oz. Go to the Australian Parliamentary Library website here:
Boat People, Illegal Migration and Asylum Seekers: in Perspective (Current Issues Brief 13 1999-2000)
and in the section entitled "Some Comparative Statistics" you will see:
"The great majority of 'illegals' have arrived legally, and overstayed their tourist, student or other short-term visas. The true extent of illegal entry is unknown with certainty; detection figures obviously reflect only the minimum number. However, it would appear that those who arrive illegally, that is without a valid entry visa, by boat or plane, comprise a relatively small (in the order of 10 per cent) albeit rapidly growing proportion of Australia's illegal population. In recent years, illegal air arrivals have outnumbered illegal boat arrivals, however in 1999 the ratio was reversed, with boat arrivals outnumbering air arrivals."
There's more, but I can't be bothered quoting. Focus on what you are saying !
Before you go and make broad sweeping statements I suggest you look up the simple statistics and don't misquote them or twist them around. Saying something like that shows just as much lack of proportion as Mid's statement.
And by the way, many of the overstayers leave....they just do it late.
I suggest you take a closer look at the link you provided. In the last figure ( #5.4) it SEEMS ( I may be wrong) that per capita, we are taking more refugees than the USA. In fact, twice as many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Just a bit....I'll have to check the maths.......(for convenience, assuming a population of 300 mill in USA and 20 mill in Oz)
Hmmm......more actually, because of the reason given by the asterisk.
Notice I am not making broad sweeping statements here.
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Originally Posted by Latindancer
Read that again. 1999, a fair while back, wouldn't you say?
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Originally Posted by Latindancer
Don't bother with anything JJ says, his credibility has been shattered time and time again on this forum, on the other hand Mid is solid but has got bent out of shape on the children issue.
I can see where he is coming from but unfortunately he is not viewing the big picture, he is blinded by not knowing, realizing or accepting what the Australian government is trying to achieve.
The next call will be : " Australians are baby killers ".
Disappointing really compared with his usual level headed posts.
What, like "children over board" or something equally impossible...... :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57