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when captured as crew they claim they are 17 and treated as a minor and bleeding hearts say cant jail a child.
smack on wrist so called child sent home
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when captured as crew they claim they are 17 and treated as a minor and bleeding hearts say cant jail a child.
smack on wrist so called child sent home
The question posed by channel 9 on there Web Sight.
" Do you think the refugees will be mistreated in Malaysia ? "
14000 said Yes.
34000 said No.
Anyway the pin headed Lawyer who is being payed a motsa by Australian Tax payers has had another win as the deal has been put off for another 2 weeks.
It will once again be presented to the high court for a decision, in the mean time the Smugglers are pissing themselves laughing and loading there boats.
I love Australia but its time like this that it shits me to death, suppose Mid will be on the piss tonight.
Anyway, its fair to say that if the deals falls over Gillard will throw her self under a truck as Labor will be well fuked.
Tony Abbott is sharpening the knife for the final plunge and liberal will trounce home in the next election.
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sad day but carbon tax will kill her
ads on tv here showing tax will take jobs away from miners in QLD, and other countries will supply coal instead.
20 year contracts for the supply of coal now in place so no job loss for 20 years.
by then hopefully the coal users will change to clean energy or keep getting taxed.
not in my life time.
and i dont think most people give a shit how they are cared for kids or not they just want them to get in the que.
We are wasting billions of $ with the detention centres
why not just process overseas less boat people, besides they they can go straight to the indonesia processing centre and sign the sorry book and apply.
or do it from their own country i think we can still arrord embassies overseas
hopefully they stop they are bleeding thid country
Malaysia asylum digs get touch-up
Karlis Salna
Mon Aug 8 2011
In Port Dickson, a popular resort town by the ocean about 90 minutes' drive from Kuala Lumpur, workers are putting the finishing touches on the accommodation being prepared for the asylum seekers covered under Australia's controversial swap deal with Malaysia.
While they have been described by the Australian government as "budget hostel-style" facilities, a visit to Port Dickson has revealed that one of the properties is actually a large, peach-coloured former hotel surrounded by trees and just metres from the beach.
The property is by no means luxurious but it's also not budget-hostel-style and is a far-cry from the conditions to which the majority of the 94,000 refugees already living in Malaysia would be accustomed.
It's unclear whether the asylum seekers who may be housed there will be able to use the tennis court.
Security guards at the locked front gate refused requests by AAP to enter the property, which was surrounded by walls about 1.5 metres high.
Attempts had been made to cover the tennis court with a makeshift nylon sheeting.
But a cleaner named Nathan, who had been working at the property, said outside that he had been working on it until 11pm and it was "ready to go".
"The people will come very (soon)," he said, before being told that the plans to send a group of 16 men from Christmas Island to Kuala Lumpur on Monday had been put on hold following court action in Australia.
It's now unclear when and even if the accommodation will be used after the High Court on Monday extended an injunction delaying their departure for at least another two weeks.
Justice Kenneth Hayne on Monday extended the injunction until the full bench could consider the lawfulness of the Australian government's policy.
A group of 16 asylum seekers had been due to fly out on Monday at 11.30am (AEST) before an injunction on Sunday initially delayed their departure until 4.30pm.
Monday's decision means they will remain in Australia for at least another fortnight, until the full bench can consider the lawfulness of the government's policy.
Plans by the Malaysian government to issue a statement following the arrival of the first group of asylum seekers were cancelled, with one official telling AAP that there would be "no comment until further notice".
The properties in Port Dickson, 90 kilometres from the Malaysian capital, were to be used as transit facilities which would house those covered under the swap deal for up to 45 days.
The two facilities are about 10km apart.
While one appears to be quite a comfortable place, the second, formerly used by a cycle club as a sort of holiday lodge for members, is much more modest.
It consists of two buildings with accommodation for about 10 to 12 people.
While it's also not too far from the ocean, and even offers a slight view of the sea, it is a place which matches the government's budget hostel-style description.
It had what appeared to be a newly erected wire fence around the perimeter of the property and was also guarded by security men.
Despite the High Court ruling coming as a blow to the Australian government, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen on Monday remained of the view that the transfers of asylum seekers would eventually still go ahead.
"We will vigorously argue in the full bench hearing that this agreement meets not only our domestic legal requirements but our international obligations," Mr Bowen said.
"I'm confident that when the full bench considers the case the injunction will be lifted, the transfer will occur and the arrangement will be implemented."
news.ninemsn.com.au
You kow this David Mann a-hole walked out of the court today looking all smug,
He has single handedly killed the dreams of many burmese people who were absolutely over the moon about coming here and escaping their shit life in a legal manner after waiting for 6 or 7 years. I think it is piss weak that a court can over ride a decision the government has made. Pending what the decision will be after the two weeks (which we all very sadly know) this cock head had just made it easier for these kunts to rock up how and whenever they feel like it willy nilly even more so now knowing that we can do fuk all to stop the friggin ass holes.
Anyone see the muslim prick on the boat today on the news waving to the camera laughing and then giving the thumbs up?
Cant believe our government tried something no other country has ever done to try to deter them and this prick just shot them down. I hope he dies suddenly.
Furthermore, sending them to a country that has proven to be inhumane!
WTF as if, whilst the rest of the world is watching them like hawks? i dont think so!
But they could be treated with absolute respect and dignity that they dont deserve, but then they will bull shit and say that they were beaten or whatever to get away from there and cause trouble, coz thats what they are like the lying, dirty, cheating, lazy turds they are.
They said that the boat people were petrified at the prospect of going to Malaysia, well woopy fuking doo!
Means that the plan may well have worked if this rodent didnt fuk it up.
Yahoo 7 did a survey in the last few days and 78% of Australians surveyed want to send them all back....
22% don't want to.
No prizes for guessing who the 22% are........
Yeh good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
I'll bet you that Malcolm Turnbull challenges Abbott and takes over leadership (again) to ensure the Libs get in. If he can get the support, that is. He's working on his image right now. Abbot's not really Prime Minister material. He will do some kind of really dirty work to discredit Julia (as you say....he's sharpening the knife), then Malcolm will take over. Mark my words....I know how these turkeys operate.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
78% have had enough seems to be a majority, let me see wishes of the people sounds fair enough.
send them back or end up like the UK.
perfect example of lax immigration policies and bleeding heart tree huggers
Perfectly reasonable scenario even though I would be surprised if Turnbull takes over considering Abbotts showing against Gillard in the last election.
Libs don't have to do anything really, just hang tight and get Abbott to shut the fuk up a tad.
Holly shit batman,
Just been watching the latest news, the legal refugees from Malaysia will be arriving next week whether this deal concerning the Illegals fall over or not.
We could very well end up with a situation where we will have both parties in Australia with the boats keep on coming.
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The 78% will love that !
Doesnt surprise me,b ut they are still legal so bring them on
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Yep, be pushing shit up hill complaining about the legal refugees and no one has on this thread which gives us more credit by sticking with the issue at hand.
The do gooders and bleeding hearts cant trot out the racist card.
And thank god for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
Absolutely, bloody annoying having an independent Judiciary.Quote:
Originally Posted by brettandlek
I think Burma, North Korea and China manage to control their judges...
Hmm...
And so this monumental cockup gets more and more convoluted
Have you ever stopped to consider how Malaysia must feel about the recent, constant comments on how they treat people? The Australian goverment polys probably need to be more careful about what they say or it will backfire and cease on that issue alone.
So Ahmed is packing is bags back in West Wackistan and the news comes thru about if caught you will sent to Malaysia ....
Hmm said Ahmed "not the promised land I was thinking about" ... better stay here an plant a few more poppys and buy a Biz class airline ticket!!
Ah... Malaysia , truly Asia!!
It worked once before spectacularly, when the previous government was tough on illegals. Have a look at the graph posted twice on page 6 of this thread....and look at what happened suddenly as soon as the new government ( known for being soft on boat people ) got in power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khun Custard
I kinda like the idea of a Christmas Island :)Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
High Court to continue Malaysia hearings
August 22, 2011
THE federal government's people swap deal with Malaysia is unlawful because the South-East Asian nation has no legal obligations to afford asylum seekers proper protections, the High Court has been told.
The court's full bench today began hearing from refugee lawyers who say the controversial plan to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia - in exchange for 4000 already-processed refugees - should be struck down.
The court ordered an injunction against the policy earlier this month but only began hearing detailed arguments against it today. The injunction will remain in force until the court makes a final ruling.
Debbie Mortimer SC argued today the government cannot legally send asylum seekers to a third country that - like Malaysia - does not have domestic or international legal obligations to protect them.
The government's unenforceable political agreement with Malaysia, which contains assurances asylum seekers will be treated humanely, is not adequate, Ms Mortimer told the court.
"There is no commitment in any sense other than a political one," she said.
"It's clear that it's the arrangement that is being used for the comfort about how these people are going to be treated."
Ms Mortimer said the policy also infringed upon three fundamental rights of asylum seekers: liberty, freedom of movement and freedom from assault.
The government says it took into account a range of advice from Malaysian officials, the immigration department and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees before deciding Malaysia was a suitable destination.
The court will continue hearing the case from 10am (AEST) tomorrow.
Refugee lawyer David Manne said outside the court his clients were "relieved" the case was being heard.
"But at the same time they're extremely fearful and vulnerable. They're petrified of being sent to Malaysia," Mr Manne told reporters.
He said he had no idea how long it would take the court to make its ruling.
Five boats carrying more than 300 asylum seekers have arrived in Australia since the government inked the deal late last month.
Meanwhile, charities are offering to care for any unaccompanied children the government wants to send to Malaysia, at no cost to the taxpayer.
Mission Australia and Baptcare have offered to team up with Melbourne's Crossway Baptist Church to help accommodate up to 200 unaccompanied minors.
"It's morally bankrupt to send the children to Malaysia," Mission Australia chief executive Toby Hall said.
heraldsun.com.au
But its perfectly OK for there parents to put there lives in danger by sending the from Malaysia to Australia on a shitty boat. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
Anyway, they will be absolutely safe on the plane back to Malaysia. :)
of course NOT ,Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
nor it it a valid justification for Australia to act in kind .
This whole court saga, has more to do with keeping the "legal gravy train" in Australia instead of Malaysia .....the huge legal machine that feeds from the illegal immigrants that arrive by boat, and the "Australian government funded legal aid blood sucking" that can be attached to them.
The lawyers are using the very naive missionary fervor of well meaning Australians, to support their case for making a fortune from the Australian public purse. When will well intentioned people wake up and see that "unaccompanied children" do not have the thousands of dollars to buy a spot on a death trap fishing boat, let alone the ability to arrange the trip to Australia and shortcut the correct and legal process of legitimate immigration. .....this whole unaccompanied children exercise is just a really expensive SCAM. It's time the terrific job done in accepting refugees, and migrants via the correct channels is seen as the only way to immigrate to Australia, and cut off these legal leaches from the Australian Governments wallet. Congratulations to the new Myanmar immigrants, who have done things correctly and will prosper in Australia.
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They need to be back with their parents and or relatives in their home country. Not half way around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
They are not acting in kind. They are not being sent back unsupervised on a shitty boat which may sink or be boarded by pirates, or anything remotely resembling that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
You seem to have a mental block to understanding the issue. As people have repeatedly pointed out, they are being flown back ie. by plane, and treated, fed and housed very well and above all transparently, with many different authorities observing, because of the high profile of the whole thing, and because the Australian government does not want to lose face on the issue. The Government will ensure their fair treatment.
nice try BUT that is EXACTLY what you are supporting .Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
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Originally Posted by Latindancer
Mid is trolling for sure so just ignore him. Piss poor effort considering its a serious subject.
Anyway, the high court has put off the judgment for further 8 days and I would not be surprised at all if it falls over in a screaming heap.
Whatever happens, Gillard wont be around much longer as one of her wanker Ministers has been busted buying trollups on his Government credit card.
Its a Criminal offense to use a Government credit card to get blow jobs and now the cops are launching a criminal investigation.
If he gets the arse its game over for Gillard.
What a fuk up EH ????
The only good news is that maybe a Liberal Government might sort this shit out once and for all like Howard did.
Pity that, it would be tax money well spent considering the other wasteful shit governments "blow" our money on.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
This is what will be happening in Australia in 10 years......
Photographer captures carnival stabbing - Yahoo!7
Instead of having "roo shoots" why not introduce "coon shoots" before it too late? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
It was on his union credit card before he became a minister.Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
Terry do we want more bullshit like children overboard crap & the Tampa ??Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
John Howard lied through his teeth,and that tosser Abbott has got no idea.
Court ruling scuttles Malaysia swap deal
Adam Gartrell
August 31, 2011
The federal government's asylum seeker policy is in disarray after the High Court scuttled Prime Minister Julia Gillard's Malaysian people-swap deal and left all offshore processing in doubt.
The government is seeking urgent legal advice and cabinet will convene to discuss its options - including a possible return to Nauru's processing centre - after the court ruled the controversial Malaysia plan unlawful.
The court's full bench agreed 6-1 that Immigration Minister Chris Bowen's declaration that Malaysia was an appropriate place to send asylum seekers was wrong.
"The declaration ... was made without power and is invalid," Chief Justice Robert French said in court on Wednesday.
The court ruled a country must be bound by the UN Refugee Convention or its own domestic laws to protect asylum seekers to qualify as an appropriate destination.
The court ordered its injunction against removals to Malaysia be made permanent.
Asylum seekers in detention on Christmas Island danced with joy, cheered and clapped when the ruling was made.
Two hours later, Mr Bowen conceded the decision was a massive blow for the government.
"Let's make no bones about it - today's decision by the High Court is a profoundly disappointing one. Disappointing for the government, disappointing for me," he told reporters.
Mr Bowen said all options were now on the table - including sending asylum seekers to Nauru, a critical element of the Howard government's so-called Pacific Solution that Labor scrapped with much fanfare in 2008.
But the minister said the court's far-reaching ruling could also prevent the government reopening the processing centres on Nauru and Papua New Guinea's Manus Island.
"This decision has potential ramifications for not only our arrangement with Malaysia but offshore processing more generally," he said.
Mr Bowen also refused to rule out resurrecting the Howard government's controversial Temporary Protection Visas, also scrapped by Kevin Rudd.
Mr Bowen - who repeatedly expressed confidence the policy would survive the High Court challenge brought by refugee lawyers - conceded people smugglers would capitalise on the decision and send more boats to Australia.
He accepted responsibility for the policy's failure but noted it had been endorsed by cabinet "at every step".
But despite also presiding over the failed "East Timor Solution", Mr Bowen said he would not resign his post.
"I've got obligations to the government and the nation to see this issue through," he said.
Mr Bowen said the court's decision - which cannot be appealed - was not in line with what was previously considered as accepted law. The court had applied a "new test", he claimed.
Under the deal first announced by Ms Gillard on May 7, the government planned to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia in exchange for 4000 already processed refugees. Mr Bowen said he was "inclined" still to accept the 4000.
But more than 330 asylum seekers who have arrived since the government inked the Malaysia deal in July will remain in limbo on Christmas Island until the government can consider its position.
Refugee lawyer David Manne called on the government to respect the ruling and move quickly to process his clients' asylum applications in Australia.
"The real point here is that we have represented some people who came to Australia seeking protection," he said.
"I call on the government not to leave them locked up in limbo."
The Australian Greens echoed Mr Manne's plea and declared they would not support any legislation to undermine the court's ruling.
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott called Labor an incompetent government that could not get anything right.
"This is a government mired in incompetence," he said in a statement.
"In Julia Gillard's year of delivery, the government has hopelessly failed to deliver."
Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison called on the government to release its legal advice so the public could see how it "got it so wrong".
Rights groups, charities and church groups unanimously welcomed the court's decision.
Australian Lawyers Alliance national president Greg Barns said it represented a victory for human rights in Australia.
"The decision will bring welcome relief to many asylum seekers who have come to this country seeking a better life and freedom from persecution and fear for themselves and their families," he said.
Former Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson said the decision made the government look like a joke: "They didn't just go down, they got slaughtered."
West Australian Premier Colin Barnett said it would be to Labor's "eternal shame" it ever proposed the policy.
news.smh.com.au
Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter. According to "Mid", on page 5 of this thread, the "FACT" is :
Which he later grudgingly admitted was an error. Well, the real fact is that a huge number of Australians do not want illegal refugees. They also clog up the system, making it much more difficult for real......legal.....refugees to have their claims processed. Let's not forget that the boat people are trying to jump the queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
The vast majority of Australia's illegal immigrants arrive by plane.
The majority of visa over-stayers are PHOMs.
that's all you got left ain't it :mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
thankfully the majority of Australians are not red neck arseholes ..............
and I presume the edit is in response to the above .Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
(For those not in the know, the acronym "PHOM", or just plain "Pom", is a slang term for an English person. In the old days they were sent to Oz as convicts and known as "Prisoners Of Her (or His) Majesty").Quote:
Originally Posted by TizMe
According to the Australian Parliamentary Library :
"The great majority of 'illegals' have arrived legally, and overstayed their tourist, student or other short-term visas. The true extent of illegal entry is unknown with certainty; detection figures obviously reflect only the minimum number. However, it would appear that those who arrive illegally, that is without a valid entry visa, by boat or plane, comprise a relatively small (in the order of 10 per cent) albeit rapidly growing proportion of Australia's illegal population."
Another source says that most of these overstayers eventually leave. They just want to extend their stay, albeit illegally.
And while the learned Judges were busy making this landmark ruling another batch of "migrants" were busy burning down their accomodations.....in protest. Perhaps the new migrants should be settled right next door to the judges so they can enjoy a really nice mulit-cultural experience. In time they may even get to have sharia law in their neighbourhood.....would'nt that be loverely.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
ALL ? ALL ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
I could not possibly, even for one SECOND, entertain the thought that the majority of the World's refugees by a country mile are in West Bank + Gaza.....as you so vehemently stated.
You make some interesting and informative posts, Mid, but you don't seem to have a sense of proportion.