Thread: Israeli army kills 17 Palestinians in Gaza protests

Weird how this situation comes up again so fast.

Originally Posted by sabang

Not sure who are the bikies and who are the thugs, but the last time any number of Jews lived in what is now Israel was 2,000 years ago, and they didn't have Sovereignty of it. Actually the small kingdom of Judea lasted some 60 years- although the jews seem to have no compunction in claiming the then neighbouring state of Samaria as there own either. In short, their claim is bullshit and always has been. Look to more modern factors instead for the formation of Israel- but it most definitely does not include Palestine.

You guy's are right, I say fuck it, let them go to all out war and decide it once and for all. it's been going on for 70 years now, time to cut to the chase and let the winner take all. Like in the victory of ww2 they signed the declarations and stopped the violence.

Originally Posted by havnfun

I just went through the latest 200 posts here, back to the 8 May,

There are only 102 posts in this thread before yours and none on them were posted on 8th of May. What are you smoking, deeks?

Originally Posted by Neverna

They were forged and fought for, often through war.

Yes. and some over 1000's of years.--------------- Thai, Kmer, Laos, Burma. etc over hundreds of years. Its done, Let them have their home state and stop squabbling over who was there first. Islam came about in 6th century from memory, Christianity was 500 years before that? Buddhism was 2500 years ago and Judiasm was 1000 years before that?

Originally Posted by havnfun

I just went through the latest 200 threads here, back to the 8 May, Not one mentioned the rocket attack on Israel. here is some footage of the first attacks.

Israel's Iron Dome defence intercepts scores of Gaza rockets in skies above Tel Aviv - YouTube

Ask yourself this question. What provoked the Palestinians to do that?

Originally Posted by Cujo

Ask yourself this question. What provoked the Palestinians to do that?

Is that what the cops ask you, when you hit your gf/wife?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

I told you to check your facts.

Good God . . . you're talking to OhNo here.

Originally Posted by sabang

Is it possible to feel ashamed, to be repulsed by 25% of ones own genetic heritage?
No, not really. This slaughter is not in my name, or my Jewish Grandfathers either.
He would be equally disgusted. Not in My Name!!

I believe you and I have 12.5% Jewish heritage or less, not 25%.

This continued war is not about religion, it's always been about land. If it were about religion alone then the Muslims would lose because:

Judaism in the region - 4000 years
Islam in the region - 1300 years

Woha^,I was about to go to bed.

Originally Posted by havnfun

Here is the Cujo take on it all.
Cujo and family has lived on his land for 1000 years, a motorbike gang comes in and kicks him out. 1000 years later Cujo's fam gangs up with some mates and takes the land back from the motorbike gang. The motorbike gang ride past Cujo's home once a while and shoot randomly into the house. Cujo's fam get in their cars and run down the bikers. Now other biker gangs from other areas are upset that the biker gang was stopped.

It's only a metaphoric analogy, (a joke) ok.

it wasn’t a good one.

Yeah, true, you shouldn't run over biker gangs.

Originally Posted by sabang

History, fraulein. You might want to look into your own for an example.

I have to agree with Hermann here, sabang - this kind of crap puts you on the same level as npt/srgtslsd, Fatty/steady/Dill, Klondyke and Skidmark.

Why people like you, unfortunately, think Nazi references cut a deep blow to Germans is beyond me. There's a thing called Vergangenheitsbewältigung - long word, interesting process - that all Germans have gone through. History.

It's like someone wanting to, and thinking it clever and cutting, take a swipe at you for the attempted genocide of the Aborigines (Australian) . . . of Palestinians (part Jewish), murder of scores of Indians/Boers/Africans (you're English).

Yea, not that clever, really, is it.

Just adding a few to PH's list above.

Sieges and urban combat

This list includes sieges, as well as modern battles that were fought primarily in urban areas. Major military operations that included city fighting are listed below. The battles included here inflicted at least 50,000 casualties.
This list is incomplete; you can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.

Siege	Year	Conflict	Casualties (High est.)	Casualties (Low est.)
Siege of Alesia	52 BC	Gallic Wars	200,000	100,000
Siege of Constantinople	717–718	Arab–Byzantine wars	170,000	130,000[36]
Siege of Yongzhou	1076	Lý-Song War	140,000[123]	78,000[124]
Siege of Baghdad	1258	Mongol invasions and conquests	2,000,000[125]	100,000[125]
Siege of Tenochtitlan	1521	Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire	240,000	100,000[126][127]
Siege of Rhodes	1522	Ottoman wars in Europe	55,200[57]	55,200
Siege of Chittorgarh	1567–1568	Mughal-Rajput Wars (1558-1576)	40,000	35,000
Siege of Ostend	1601–1604	Eighty Years' War	115,000	90,000
Siege of Candia	1648–1669	Cretan War	149,739	149,739
Second Siege of Zaragoza	1808–1809	Peninsular War	64,000[128]	64,000
First Siege of Sevastopol	1854–1855	Crimean War	230,000[129]	230,000
Third Battle of Nanking	1863	Taiping Rebellion	100,000[130]	100,000
Siege of Petersburg	1864–1865	American Civil War	70,000[131]	70,000
Battle of Gettysburg	1863	American Civil War	50,000	50,000
Siege of Paris	1871	Franco-Prussian War	332,142	229,000
Siege of Plevna	1877	Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878)	75,000[132]	75,000
Siege of Port Arthur	1904–1905	Russo-Japanese War	100,000[133]	100,000
Siege of Adrianople	1912–1913	First Balkan War	93,282[134]	93,282
Battle of Taiyuan	1937	World War II	130,000[135]	130,000
Battle of Xinkou	1937	World War II	200,000[citation needed]	200,000
Battle of Shanghai	1937	World War II	400,000[136]	400,000
Battle of Wuhan	1938	World War II	540,000[137]	540,000
First Battle of Changsha	1939	World War II	80,000+	80,000+[138]
Battle of Nanchang	1939	World War II	75,328[139]	75,328
Battle of Dunkirk	1940	World War II	88,000[140]	88,000
Battle of South Shanxi	1941	World War II	120,000+	120,000+[141]
Siege of Odessa	1941	World War II	133,813[142]	133,813
Battle of Kiev	1941	World War II	700,544[142]	700,544
Second Siege of Sevastopol	1941–1942	World War II	236,437	236,437
Third Battle of Changsha	1942	World War II	84,862[143]	84,862
Battle of Stalingrad	1942–1943	World War II	2,500,620[144]	1,250,000[145]
Battle of Changde	1943	World War II	100,000	100,000[146]
Battle of West Hubei	1943	World War II	115,830	115,830[147]
Siege of Leningrad	1941–1944	World War II	5,500,000[148]	1,117,000[149][150]
Warsaw Uprising	1944	World War II	200,000+	200,000+[151]
Siege of Budapest	1944–1945	World War II	422,000	422,000[152]
Battle of Berlin	1945	World War II	1,298,745[153]	1,298,745[154]
Battle of Okinawa	1945	World War II	241,593[155]	241,593[155]
Battle of Manila	1945	World War II	500,000[156][157]	100,000[158][159]
Battle of the Bulge	1944–1945	World War II	218,900	161,370[160]
Siege of Changchun	1948[161]	Chinese Civil War	425,000	425,000[162]
Siege of Basra	1987	Iran-Iraq War	85,000	85,000

Battle	Year	Conflict	Casualties
Battle of Thymbra	547 BC	Lydian–Persian War	100,000[1]
Battle of Marathon	490 BC	Greco-Persian Wars	5,000–8,000[2]
Battle of Thermopylae	480 BC	Greco-Persian Wars	22,300[3]–22,500[4]
Battle of Plataea	479 BC	Greco-Persian War	51,500[4]–257,000[3]
Battle of Chaeronea	338 BC	Rise of Macedon	1,000[5]–4,000
Battle of the Granicus	334 BC	Wars of Alexander the Great	Around 7,000[6]
Battle of Issus	333 BC	Wars of Alexander the Great	20,000-40,000[7]
Battle of Gaugamela	331 BC	Wars of Alexander the Great	53,500[8]
Battle of the Hydaspes	326 BC	Wars of Alexander the Great	23,310[8]
Battle of Sentinum	295 BC	Third Samnite War	33,700[9]
Battle of Heraclea	280 BC	Pyrrhic War	11,000–26,000[9]
Battle of Kalinga	262 BC	Kalinga-Maurya Empire	150,000[10]–200,000 or even 300,000[11][12] (including civilians)
Battle of Changping	260 BC	Qin's wars of unification	700,000 (according to ancient sources)
Battle of the Trebia	218 BC	Second Punic War	35,000[13]
Battle of Lake Trasimene	217 BC	Second Punic War	30,000[13]
Battle of Cannae	216 BC	Second Punic War	56,000[14]–92,000 or more[15]
Battle of the Metaurus	207 BC	Second Punic War	12,000[16]
Battle of Zama	202 BC	Second Punic War	21,500[16]
Battle of Magnesia	190 BC	Roman–Seleucid War	53,350[17]
Battle of Pydna	168 BC	Third Macedonian War	21,000[17]
Battle of Arausio	105 BC	Germanic Wars (Cimbrian War)	84,000[18][19][20]
Battle of Carrhae	53 BC	Roman–Persian Wars	24,000[21]
Siege of Alesia	52 BC	Gallic Wars	100,000–150,000
Battle of Pharsalus	48 BC	Caesar's Civil War	17,000[22]
Battle of Philippi	42 BC	Liberators' civil war	24,000
Battle of Actium	31 BC	Final War of the Roman Republic	7,500 or more
Battle of the Teutoburg Forest	9 AD	Roman–Germanic wars	20,000[23]
Battle of Watling Street	61 AD	Iceni Revolt	80,400[24]
Battle of Mons Graupius	84 AD	Roman conquest of Britain	10,360[25]
Battle of Guandu	200	Three Kingdoms	78,000[26]
Battle of Red Cliffs	208	Three Kingdoms	100,000[26]
Battle of Barbalissos	252	Roman–Persian Wars	60,000
Battle of Edessa	260	Roman–Persian Wars	50,000-70,000
Battle of Adrianople	378	Gothic War	40,000 or more[27]
Battle of Fei River	383	Wu Hu Era	150,000 or more [28]
Battle of the Catalaunian Plains	451	Hunnic Invasion	165,000 (doubtful, according to one ancient source)[29]
Battle of Salsu	612	Goguryeo–Sui War	302,300[30]
Battle of al-Qadisiyyah	636	Muslim conquest of Persia	31,000[31]
Battle of Muzayyah	633	Muslim conquest of Persia	10,000
Battle of Ullais	633	Muslim conquest of Persia	35,000[32]
Battle of River	633	Muslim conquest of Persia	More than 15,000[33]
Battle of Walaja	636	Muslim conquest of Persia	22,000[34]
Battle of Nahavand	642	Muslim conquest of Persia	28,500[35]
Battle of Yarmouk	636	Muslim conquest of the Levant	70,000[36]
Battle of Tours	732	Umayyad invasion of Gaul	13,000
Battle of Gwiju	1019	Third conflict in the Goryeo–Khitan War	90,000+.
Battle of Nhu Nguyet river	1077	Lý–Song War	150,000[37][38]
Battle of Montgisard	1177	Ayyubid–Crusader War	Around 25,850
Battle of Hattin	1187	Ayyubid–Crusader War	17,000–20,000[39]
Battle of Las Navas de Tolosa	1212	Reconquista	60,000[40]
Battle of Yehuling	1212	Mongol conquest of the Jin dynasty	Around 50,000
Battle of the Kalka River	1223	Mongol invasion of Rus'	Around 50,000 [41]
Battle of Legnica	1241	Mongol invasion of Poland	30,000[42]
Battle of Mohi	1241	Mongol invasion of Europe	15,000[43]
Third battle of Bach Dang river	1288	Mongol invasion of Vietnam	85,000[44]
Battle of Jaran Manjur	1298	Mongol invasions of India	Over 20,000
Battle of Yamen	1279	Mongol conquest of the Song dynasty	100,000
Battle of Bannockburn	1314	First War of Scottish Independence	19,000[45]
Battle of Kulikovo	1380	List of Mongol and Tatar raids against Rus'	136,000
Battle of Roosebeke	1382	Hundred years war	27,600
Battle of the Terek River	1395	Tokhtamysh–Timur war	100,000[46]
Conquest of Delhi	1398	Timur's Indian campaign	100,000[47][48]
Battle of Ankara	1402	Ottoman–Timur War	15,000 or more[49]
Battle of Grunwald	1410	Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War	13,000[50]
Battle of Agincourt	1415	Hundred Years' War	14,000[citation needed]
Battle of Tốt Động – Chúc Động	1426	Lam Sơn uprising	30,000[51]
Tumu Crisis	1449	Ming–Mongol War	200,000 or more[citation needed]
Battle of Towton	1461	Wars of the Roses	28,000[52]
Night Attack at Târgoviște	1462	Wallachian-Ottoman Wars	20,000[53]
Battle of Vaslui	1475	Moldavian-Ottoman Wars	40,000 or more[citation needed]
Battle of Valea Albă	1476	Moldavian–Ottoman Wars	30,000 or more[citation needed]
Battle of Kabul	1504	Campaigns of Babur	20,000 or more[54]
Battle of Ravenna	1512	War of the League of Cambrai	13,500[55]
Battle of Marignano	1515	War of the League of Cambrai	11,000–15,000[56]
Battle of Ridaniya	1517	Ottoman wars in the Near East	13,000[57]
First Battle of Panipat	1526	Mughal Conquest	20,000–50,000[58]
Battle of Mohács	1526	Ottoman–Hungarian wars	Probably 30,000[59]
Battle of Ghaghra	1529	Mughal Conquest	13,000[60]
Battle of Lepanto	1571	Ottoman–Venetian wars	22,566–27,566[61]
Battle of Molodi	1572	Russo-Crimean Wars	29,000–33,000 or 100 000[62]
Battle of Chungju	1592	Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–1598)	8,000–16,000[63] 100,000[64][65]
Battle of Călugăreni	1595	Long War (Ottoman War)	11,000–16,000[citation needed]
Battle of Sacheon (1598)	1598	Japanese invasions of Korea (1592–1598)	30,000[66]
Battle of Sekigahara	1600	Sengoku period	60,000 or less[67]
First Battle of Breitenfeld	1631	Thirty Years' War	20,000 or more[68]
Battle of Lützen	1632	Thirty Years' War	11,000–14,000[68]
Battle of Nördlingen	1634	Thirty Years' War	17,000[69]
Battle of the Downs	1639	Eighty Years' War	15,000 or more[70]
Battle of Song-Jin	1641	Qing conquest of the Ming	60,000[citation needed]
Second Battle of Breitenfeld	1642	Thirty Years' War	14,000[71]
Battle of Jankau	1645	Thirty Years' War	15,500[72]
Battle of Berestechko	1651	Khmelnytsky Uprising	30,000–40,000[73]
Battle of Samugarh	1658	Mughal Conquest	32,000[70]
Battle of Khajwa	1659	Mughal Conquest	20,000[70]
Battle of Lund	1676	Scanian War	14,000[74]
Battle of Vienna	1683	Ottoman–Habsburg wars	19,500[75]
Battle of Bijapur	1686[76]	Mughal Conquest	17,000[77]
Battle of Landen	1693	War of the Grand Alliance	28,000[77]
Battle of Zenta	1697	Ottoman–Habsburg wars	30,300[78]
Battle of Jinji	1698	Mughal Conquest	16,000[77]
Battle of Blenheim	1704	War of the Spanish Succession	32,000[77]
Battle of Fraustadt	1706	Great Northern War	16,500[79]
Battle of Ramillies	1706	War of the Spanish Succession	15,600[80]
Battle of Poltava	1709	Great Northern War	14,300[81]
Battle of Malplaquet	1709	War of the Spanish Succession	95,000[80]
Battle of Fontenoy	1745	War of the Austrian Succession	14,000[82]
Battle of Leuthen	1757	Seven Years' War	11,800[83]
Battle of Zorndorf	1758	Seven Years' War	30,000[citation needed]
Battle of Kunersdorf	1759	Seven Years' War	35,000[84]
Third Battle of Panipat	1761	Marathas and Afghans	150,000-200,000 (including civilian camp followers)[85][86]
Battle of Kagul	1770	Russo-Turkish War (1768–1774)	21,000[87]
Battle of Rạch Gầm-Xoài Mút	1785	Siamese-Vietnamese Wars	50,000[88]
Battle of Rymnik	1789	Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792)	21,000[89]
Battle of Arcole	1796	War of the First Coalition	11,000[90]
Battle of Trebbia	1799	War of the Second Coalition	17,000–23,000[91]
Battle of Novi	1799	War of the Second Coalition	19,500[92]
Battle of Marengo	1800	War of the Second Coalition	16,400[93]
Ulm campaign	1805	War of the Third Coalition	62,000[93]
Battle of Austerlitz	1805	War of the Third Coalition	45,300[94]
Battle of Jena–Auerstedt	1806	War of the Fourth Coalition	52,000 including prisoners later killed[95]
Battle of Eylau	1807	War of the Fourth Coalition	40,000[95]
Battle of Wagram	1809	War of the Fifth Coalition	77,000[95]–79,000[96]
Battle of Talavera	1809	Peninsular War	13,900[97]
Battle of Slobozia	1811	Russo-Turkish War (1806–1812)	20,000[98]
Battle of Salamanca	1812	Peninsular War	18,800[99]
Battle of Borodino	1812	French invasion of Russia	74,000[100]
Battle of Berezina	1812	French invasion of Russia	60,000[100]
Battle of Vitoria	1813	Peninsular War	13,000[99]
Battle of Leipzig	1813	War of the Sixth Coalition	124,000[101]
Battle of Dresden	1813	War of the Sixth Coalition	48,000[94]
Battle of Ligny	1815	Hundred Days	28,000[102]
Battle of Waterloo	1815	Hundred Days	47,000 or more (not including prisoners and missing)[103][104]
Battle of Inkerman	1854	Crimean War	15,857[105]
Battle of Shiloh	1862	American Civil War	24,000[106]
Battle of Antietam	1862	American Civil War	23,000[107]–26,193[108]
Battle of Fredericksburg	1862	American Civil War	17,300[107]–17,962[109]
Battle of Gettysburg	1863	American Civil War	51,000[110][111]
Battle of Chickamauga	1863	American Civil War	34,000[112]
Battle of Spotsylvania Court House	1864	American Civil War	30,000[113]
Battle of Stones River	1862–1863	American Civil War	24,000[114]
Battle of Königgrätz	1866	Austro-Prussian War	47,500[115]
Battle of Tuyutí	1866	Paraguayan War	7,000–16,000[116]
Battle of Mars-la-Tour/Battle of Gravelotte	1870	Franco-Prussian War	34,000[115]
Battle of Sedan	1870	Franco-Prussian War	26,000[117]
Battle of Adwa	1896	First Italo-Ethiopian War	17,300[118]
Battle of Binakayan-Dalahican	1896	Philippine Revolutionary War	2,000–15,000[119]
Battle of Omdurman	1898	Mahdist War	20,430[120]
Battle of Sakarya	1921	Greco–Turkish War of 1919–22	61,000[121][122]

FOD...

I believe you and I have 12.5% Jewish heritage or less, not 25%.

Simple maths- my paternal grandfather was jewish. My other 3 grands were not, thus 25% djoo. That's genetics, but as far is heritage is concerned i would say a lot less than 12.5% because i was not brought up in the jewish tradition. No bar mitzvah, no synagogue, not even snipped.

unfortunately, think Nazi references cut a deep blow to Germans is beyond me.

The rise and fall of the Third Reich offers a salutary lesson for far more people than Germans, obviously. Modern Israel being a prime example. The fact however that HTG is a Nazi is beyond reasonable dispute...

Originally Posted by sabang

not even snipped

...you don't know what you're missing...

Biden Says 'Israel Has a Right to Defend Itself' Amid Conflict

Hadn't the Germans a right to defend themselves when being attacked by the angry population in the occupied Europe and Russia?

...you don't know what you're missing...

Can't really miss what isn't missing.

Originally Posted by sabang

Simple maths- my paternal grandfather was jewish. My other 3 grands were not, thus 25% djoo.

My uni degree is a major in Economics and my maths sucks . . . so, I tried. Simple isn't simple or me when it comes to maths


My point still stands, being like a drunk Brit chav and goon about WW2 is weak and ineffective. Is Hermann a Nazi? I doubt it. Is he allowed to not like religion, be it Judaism, Christianity or Islam . . . or ideology like Zionism 'despite' being German? Of course, that's a non-sequitur.

Originally Posted by sabang

Simple maths- my paternal grandfather was jewish. My other 3 grands were not, thus 25% djoo. That's genetics, but as far is heritage is concerned i would say a lot less than 12.5% because i was not brought up in the jewish tradition. No bar mitzvah, no synagogue, not even snipped.

...and judging by your knowledge I would say a lot less the 1%, and that is undoubtedly beyond reasonable dispute.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Calm down dear, calm down.

It's all fake news allegedly bla bla la bla blub blub bla

‘Look in the mirror’: New York Times ripped for warning about ‘deadly misinformation’ — RT USA News

This could have never happened in China, Russia or one of your beloved communist country, because they are always right.
Jeez, you are a smart cookie OhOh. Always finding the real truth and never ever having to debate about it.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

This could have never happened in China, Russia or one of your beloved communist country

And they never tell us something about WMD or Novichok...