Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

**Dragonfly** · 11-05-2018, 03:44 AM

yeah, message was sent, backdoor transactions completed, public baffled and misled

mission accomplished !!!

**OhOh** · 11-05-2018, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

The case closed, let's forget...

Only once the real culprits are named, shamed and resign from the UK parliament.

The apologies are printed and all sanctions removed.

**Begbie** · 11-05-2018, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

at least the Russians can sleep at nights knowing they have fuck all to do with it,

only the easily manipulated western leaders like May and Trump are the real risks here,

One theory is that Trump’s Russian mafia friends were behind the attempted hit as Skripal was involved in gathering data for the Trump Russian dossier and this was payback.

This sounds a lot more plausible than the story the UK government cobbled together.

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Begbie

One theory is that Trump’s Russian mafia friends were behind the attempted hit as Skripal was involved in gathering data for the Trump Russian dossier and this was payback.

This sounds a lot more plausible than the story the UK government cobbled together.

As I pointed out in an earlier post, the Skripals suffered from no more than food poisoning. The symptoms are somewhat mirrored to nerve agent poisoning.

Craig Murray's described the pressure on Porton Down to establish that a nerve agent was used in the alleged Skripal attack. I use 'alleged attack', because there is a fair chance that this was no attack, only a serious food poisoning from the very start.The Skripals had a seafood risotto pesce with king prawns, mussels and squid rings at Zizzi, as reported here in the Daily Mail on March 6.
This is a dish with a well known reputation as a source of shellfish poisoning.
The Skripals were okay when they arrived, okay when they left, and passed out 40 minutes later on the bench with symptoms similar to a paralytic reaction from shellfish poisoning (PSP):

Symptoms of PSP could begin within a few minutes and up to 10 hours after consumption.Symptoms of PSP can include:
...
...
Respiratory difficulty, salivation, temporary blindness, nausea and vomiting may also occur.
In extreme cases, paralysis of respiratory muscles may lead to respiratory arrest and death within two to twelve hours after consumption. Seriously affected people must be hospitalized and placed under respiratory care.

The similarity with symptoms and effect derived from a nerve agent are striking, but no surprise:
In fact the substance at work in a case of paralytic seafood poison is a neurotoxin called Saxitoxin (STX) which is among the most potent poisons found in nature. It works the same way as a nerve agent: It acts on the neurons, preventing normal cellular function and leading to paralysis and in worst case death. In fact Saxitoxin is so potent that it was weaponized by the U.S. and used as a chemical weapon - a nerve agent.
The U.S. developed Saxitoxin into a chemical weapon in the 1960s. The U.S. military designation is TZ. It was also used by the CIA for covert operations and liquidations as evidenced by the Church commission - see: Excerpts of CIA inventory 1, 2

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-best-explanation-for-the-skripal-drama-is-food-poisoning.html

**OhOh** · 11-05-2018, 04:12 PM

I din't think food poisoning requires 2 months of intensive care treatment. Which then illustrates the need to confirm their whereabouts or the alternate theories will grow.

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I din't think food poisoning requires 2 months of intensive care treatment.

It doesn't but in this case food poisoning respiratory ICU is required until the patient becomes stable. All explained in the link I provided. The Skripols never spent 2 months in ICU.

**OhOh** · 11-05-2018, 07:07 PM

So where is the father being held now? Has he left the hospital?

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

So where is the father being held now? Has he left the hospital?

You'll need to ask Harry. If he's not available try the CIA.

As of the 8th May, according to the Telegraph.

Now, with Sergei Skripal understood to still be in hospital and his daughter Yulia discharged, the only site that still needs to be closed off for the police is the family home in Salisbury.

**OhOh** · 11-05-2018, 08:19 PM

^

"Understood to be still in hospital", but no interviews, no news on his condition and no Russian Consular visits?

There are plans to demolish the home aren't there? A statue of THE LORD may make an apt addition. "Lest we forget."

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 08:35 PM

Afterall he was a double agent.

Sergei Skripal was preparing to return to Russia in exchange for information he said proved that MI6 had fabricated the Trump Dossier in order to delegitimize President Trump.
According to reports, shortly before his poisoning, Skirpal was negotiating his return to Russia by offering Russian officials proof that the Brit
ish Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) had created the Trump Dossier in cooperation with the Obama-Clinton regime.
Whatdoesitmean.com reports: According to this report, in early February (2018), the Federal Security Service (FSB) was contacted by Yulia Skripal—who is the daughter of the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal, has lived in London since 2011, and was preparing to return to Russia to marry the son of a high-ranking Russian security official—but whose father, already despondent over the death of his son last year, and his wife in 2012, wanted to return to Russia with her—and in exchange for his being allowed to do so, would, in turn, provide proof that MI6 had entirely created what is now known as the now discredited “Trump Dossier” in cooperation with the Obama-Clinton regime designed to destroy the legitimacy of President Trump.
Not being told the peoples in the West, this report notes, is that Sergei Skripal was a former Russian military intelligence officer who was recruited by MI6 to be a double agent — and whose recruitment to spy for MI6 was masterminded by MI6 agent Pablo Miller who worked directly under the “Trump Dossier” creator, and MI6 officer, Christopher Steele—with Sergei Skripal, also, working for Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele’s outfit that put together the infamous dossier on Trump, that both MI6 spies Steele and Miller worked for too.

https://yournewswire.com/poisoned-russian-spy-mi6-trump-dossier/

**lom** · 11-05-2018, 08:55 PM

^
YourNewsWire (styled as YourNewsWire.com) is a Los Angeles-based clickbait fake news website known for disseminating conspiracy theories and misleading information, contrary to its claimed motto (“News. Truth. Unfiltered”).

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 09:01 PM

Doesn't matter where the info came from some will always try to discredit it.

**Begbie** · 11-05-2018, 09:02 PM

^There is some truth there. Skripal worked with Millar and Steele on the Trump dossier.

Pragmatic are you claiming that MI6 fed him the dodgy seafood in order to shut him up after they discovered he was talking to the Russians?

**Pragmatic** · 11-05-2018, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Begbie

Pragmatic are you claiming that MI6 fed him the dodgy seafood in order to shut him up after they discovered he was talking to the Russians?

I believe they found out where Skripal was booked in to have lunch and poisoned him and the daughter with Saxitoxin which mirrors food poisoning symptoms.

The U.S. developed Saxitoxin into a chemical weapon in the 1960s. The U.S. military designation is TZ. It was also used by the CIA for covert operations and liquidations as evidenced by the Church commission

**Dragonfly** · 11-05-2018, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by lom

^
YourNewsWire (styled as YourNewsWire.com) is a Los Angeles-based clickbait fake news website known for disseminating conspiracy theories and misleading information, contrary to its claimed motto (“News. Truth. Unfiltered”).

too bad, it was an interesting angle to the whole game

**Pragmatic** · 12-05-2018, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by lom

YourNewsWire (styled as YourNewsWire.com) is a Los Angeles-based clickbait fake news website known for disseminating conspiracy theories and misleading information, contrary to its claimed motto (“News. Truth. Unfiltered”).

So what isn't the truth in the 'YourNewsWire.com' site. And who says it's fake news? More than likely the CIA to make this claim so to cover up the truth as to their true actions being exposed.

**sabang** · 12-05-2018, 09:07 AM

Anyway, if you believe the UK/US/'western' MSM version of this, you are either nuts or stoopid. I debate with neither.

The Truth will likely never out, but if you look upon the UK 'government'/ agencies and MSM's conduct and statements in all this, you do not even need a nose to smell the bullshit. You can hear it.

**OhOh** · 12-05-2018, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

You can hear it.

I don't suppose you have a sound recording at hand, of your Thai buffalo shitting. Some here might like a copy.

**OhOh** · 12-05-2018, 07:38 PM

Media Alert: OPCW's Director-General's Update to the 59th Executive Council Meeting on Salisbury Incident

Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-csm_incident_in_salisbury_uk_pr_8e48919069-jpg

Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-csm_incident_in_salisbury_uk_pr_8e48919069-jpg

Wednesday, 18 April 2018

Snippet of interest:

"I wish to take this opportunity to emphasise the policy followed by the Secretariat with regards to public statements made by officials of individual States Parties. The Secretariat will not respond publicly to such statements even if these are critical of the OPCW’s work. I do not think it is in the interest of the Organisation that the Secretariat gets involved in public discussions with States Parties. We will continue to use the Executive Council meetings or briefings to inform the States Parties about our activities and to clarify certain points which need to be addressed. "

https://www.opcw.org/news/article/media-alert-opcws-director-generals-update-to-the-59th-executive-council-meeting-on-salisbury-incident/

However in a second document, included under the "More Information" tag at the bottom of the "Media Alert":

In this document, EC-M-59/DG.1, there are three pages.
The first page is a copy of the above "Media Alert". The second page is blank. The third page is the Concluding Remarks:

"EC-M-59/DG.1

page 3

CONCLUDING REMARKS

Mr Chairperson, The Technical Assistance mission carried out by the Secretariat is over. However based on the outcome of this mission in relation to the identity of the toxic chemical used in Salisbury, the Organisation will need to consider some follow up actions. I would like to inform the Council that I will soon seek the advice of the Scientific Advisory Board on the issue under discussion here today. Based on the SAB’s recommendations we may consider other steps. meanwhile the Secretariat will also propose the inclusion of the toxic chemical identified in the TAV report in the OCAD.

As it was clearly shown in the detailed and technical presentation, we should not have an iota of doubt on the reliability of the system of the OPCW Designated Laboratories. The Labs were able to confirm the identity of the chemical by applying existing, well-established procedures. There was no other chemical that was identified by the Labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements, commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures. Otherwise it has nothing to do with the samples collected by the OPCW Team in Salisbury. This chemical was reported back to the OPCW by the two designated labs and the findings are duly reflected in the report.

I should like to mention here that in accordance with the established practice the Secretariat does not share the full reports of the analysis of the samples that it receives from the designated Labs with the States Parties. This practice is aimed at protecting the identity of the labs which conduct off-site analysis of samples.

As it has been explained to you, the current system is tried-and-true and we must continue to put our faith in it.

I would like to take this moment to invite States Parties to support the project to upgrade the OPCW Laboratory, which will further augment our capabilities in this field."

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/...m59dg01_e_.pdf

Looks like an unpublished discussion took place which has raised issues never encountered before.Their appears to be some questions requiring "more considerations" and "other steps" required in their procedures.

The labs did indeed confirm the existence of the unnamed CW requested to be identified by the UK. As the UK has not admitted publicly it has this unnamed CW it maybe interesting to understand how they, identified an unknown CW without a comparative sample. Did the French have this CW and the UK borrowed a few gs? If so the French could be the Salisbury unnamed CW source, if not the UK must have the unnamed CW and again be the source of the Salisbury CW.

The labs also confirmed the OPCW introduced BZ CW in the samples.

Those two CW's were in the full reports to the member states.

Interestingly the full analysis is not shared to the member states allegedly to protect the OPCW labs identity. But with the request to trust us and we "will further augment our capabilities".

In conclusion the two OPCW test labs have the unnamed CW, to utilise for comparison. As Porton Down is an OPCW test lab they have it. Presumably all 16 odd OPCW test labs have it for the same reasons.

QED: Any of the countries with OPCW test labs, could have been the source of the Salisbury unnamed CW, along with any countries non OPCW labs which may have it for their own purposes. Russia is not the only possible source country of, as alleged by the UK government, the unnamed CW allegedly used in Salisbury.

Defendant not guilty.

Glasses filled with Vodka clinked, the contents swallowed and glasses thrown into the fire.

**OhOh** · 17-05-2018, 09:50 AM

‘No secret’: Western countries have known Novichok formula for decades, German media report

"A sample of Novichok, the nerve agent allegedly used to poison the Skripals, was obtained by German intelligence back in the 1990s, local media report. The substance has since been studied and produced by NATO countries.

Western countries, including the US and the UK, have long been aware of the chemical makeup of the nerve agent known as Novichok, a group of German media outlets reported following a joint investigation. The inquiry, based on anonymous sources, gives new insights into the issue of the nerve agent said to have been used in the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury, UK, in March.

Western governments were able to lay their hands on the formula of what is described as “one of the deadliest chemical weapons ever developed” after the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, obtained a sample of the nerve agent from a Russian defector in the early 1990s.

A Russian scientist provided German intelligence with information on the development of Novichok for some time following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the German NDR and WDR broadcasters, as well as Die Zeit and Suedeutsche Zeitung dailies, report, citing unnamed sources within the BND. At some point, the man offered to bring the Germans a sample of the chemical agent in exchange for asylum for him and his family.

A sample was eventually smuggled by the wife of the scientist and sent by the Germans to a Swedish chemical lab, according to the reports. Following the sample analysis, the Swedish experts established the formula of the substance, which they then handed over to Germany.

By the order of the then German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, the BND then shared the formula with Berlin’s “closest allies,” including the intelligence services of the US and the UK. Later, the UK, the US and Germany reportedly created a special “working group” tasked with studying the substance, which also included representatives from France, Canada and the Netherlands.

“Some NATO countries were secretly producing the chemical agent in small quantities,” the four media outlets reported, adding that it was allegedly done to develop the necessary countermeasures. However, it remains unclear which particular states were involved in the Novichok production.

The sample of the nerve agent was particularly thoroughly studied by British specialists in the Porton Down laboratory. That is why they allegedly were so quick to determine the formula of the substance used to poison the former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia back in March, the report says.

At the same time, the German media admitted that “Novichok has long been not a secret anymore,” calling the claim of the British authorities concerning the origin of the substance used to poison the Skripals “precarious.”

The British government accuses Russia of poisoning the Skripals in Salisbury using the nerve agent A230, which has since become known as Novichok. Part of the argument put forward by Prime Minister Theresa May for Moscow’s complicity is that Russia is the only country able to produce it. That narrative has remained largely unquestioned within the Western mainstream media.

However, Czech President Milos Zeman has recently admitted that his country did synthesize and test a nerve agent of the so-called Novichok family. Earlier, Russian officials named the Czech Republic – along with Slovakia, Sweden, the US and the UK itself – among the countries which have enough technical capabilities to produce the nerve agent.

The international chemical weapons watchdog, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), has repeatedly claimed it cannot identify the source of the agent that was allegedly used to poison the Skripals."

https://www.rt.com/news/426944-germa...ichok-formula/

Well, well, well.

It looks as if the lies and bedrock of the UK governments case, has just fallen down the hole of truth. Could it possibly be that THE LORD and Russian governments officials, have been telling the truth since day one of the evil slur. A German group of reporters dug up the truth, the UK reporters daren't raise a question. The UK FM scoots away like a frightened rabbit, from a direct question in the HOC.

But never mind the UK slugs have a Royal getting married!

**Pragmatic** · 17-05-2018, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

“one of the deadliest chemical weapons ever developed”

And yet it failed to kill anyone in Salisbury.

**Klondyke** · 18-05-2018, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

And yet it failed to kill anyone in Salisbury.

Just the guinea pig and the cat.
Not surprising the Skripals had kept the guinea pig. It is very suitable for monitoring any poison.
And not forget the other Russian spy (what was his name?) who died nearby, why so quiet about him?

**OhOh** · 18-05-2018, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

It is very suitable for monitoring any poison.

A pet for an elderly man or an instrument to develop a "vaccine", for "women who need a assistance in becoming pregnant" and thus a Nobel Prize of course?

I read yesterday the Met have been questioning the elder UK spy to determine his relationship and frequency of meeting with MI6. The odds that any "poison, let alone a CW lethal at 0.001g in 2 minutes, being used have gone from 100% to 50% and now 0%. I presume ameristan will now use this "evidence" of, poor Russian technical ability, to double their own "CW/defence" budget.

Any MSM coverage?

**harrybarracuda** · 18-05-2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

https://www.rt.com/news/426944-germa...ichok-formula/

Well, well, well.

the hole of truth.

Quite.

**Dragonfly** · 18-05-2018, 05:01 PM

the plot thickens

Ex-spy Sergei Skripal discharged after poisoning - BBC News

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