Thread: Huge fire engulfs west London tower block

Originally Posted by wasabi

in fact I have been into hundreds of tower blocks and can't recall seeing any installed.

I too have rarely seen sprinklers in tower blocks.

Originally Posted by wasabi

My take on another factor why the fire could spread, it's summer and those tower blocks bake in the sunshine so that night all the windows would be open to cool down your flat.

I was wondering the same thing

And if that's not bad enough Blue, today shopping at Tesco , at the exit where two pushy women collecting for a food bank . They expected me to give away some of my shopping to a food bank!

Originally Posted by wasabi

And if that's not bad enough Blue, today shopping at Tesco , at the exit where two pushy women collecting for a food bank . They expected me to give away some of my shopping to a food bank!

You must shop in Sainsburys or Tesco.

Someone put a load of cans of coke in the charity bin at our local supermarket, sick b'stards.

You'd never see charity collectors in Aldi, try shopping there next time

Originally Posted by wasabi

And if that's not bad enough Blue, today shopping at Tesco , at the exit where two pushy women collecting for a food bank . They expected me to give away some of my shopping to a food bank!

I usually give them dry cured bacon or Lincolnshire best pork sausages.

Has the taxi driver been interviewed by the Police in their criminal investigation yet? He needs to answer a lot of questions including why he only alerted one neighbor before clearing off.

Originally Posted by taxexile

scum they are not. they are regular people looking to improve their lives, its not their fault the immigration laws in the uk are so lax, open to abuse and mostly unenforceable.

Agree 100%

Originally Posted by Troy

Personally, I don't think where someone was born has much significance. Fact is they should have been safe living in a tower block in the UK...and they weren't.

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by blue

These immigrants get a free home plus white goods etc .

Surely that can't be true?

Originally Posted by astasinim

I will get to see the fire report in good time as it will have an impact across the country, and suspect there will be a huge list of issues that contributed to this tragedy, and that the cladding will not be solely to blame for it. Just an educated guess mind. Time will tell.

Open and shut case
the immigrants dodgy fridge situated by an open window caught fire
he went to see neighbour, left door propped open
draft sent flames outside igniting cladding, which maybe wasn't fitted very well etc
I wonder how the original concrete face was , in the 1970s they liked to use that congregated, deep grooved lines in it sometimes.
would act like a chimney if so.



Whats the rule with electricity you can see lights on in the building
Do they leave in on in a fire?









Newly-installed cladding is being scrutinised

Fire safety experts have pointed to cladding on the building as a possible reason the blaze spread so quickly.
Footage has shown the fire travelling up one side of the building, before engulfing the entire block.
New cladding was fitted as part of a £8.6m refurbishment of the tower, completed in May last year.
The cladding had a metal outer coating and an expanded foam interior. This polyethylene - or plastic - core is less fireproof than other alternatives.
However, even this type of cladding - when properly fitted and with its polyethylene insulation expertly encapsulated - should resist fire, the Fire Protection Association (FPA), the UK's national fire safety organisation, said.
Some exterior cladding can create cavities which, in some cases, can cause what's known as "a chimney effect", drawing flames up the cavity if there are no fire barriers.

Ray Bailey, managing director at Harley Facades Limited, which installed the cladding, said: "At this time, we are not aware of any link between the fire and the exterior cladding to the tower."
Rydon, the contractor responsible for the renovation of the tower, said its work "met all required building control, fire regulation, and health and safety standards".
It later issued a new statement, removing the previous mention of the building meeting fire regulation standards, instead saying the project met "all required building regulations".

London fire: A visual guide to what happened at Grenfell Tower - BBC News

Nicely summed up Blue, that's about the way of it. Why did the Fire dept pass that material as safe though with all the standards in health and safety the UK is meant to have?

^ My bad.. still half asleep...lazy Sunday..

Long live the Queen!

Originally Posted by wasabi

And if that's not bad enough Blue, today shopping at Tesco , at the exit where two pushy women collecting for a food bank . They expected me to give away some of my shopping to a food bank!

Tesco can afford to give all its slightly damaged (unsellable/dented/damaged labeling) stock to food banks, but chooses instead to dump the lot.

The same goes for stuff sealed in cans/jars a day or so just past their use by dates, nothing wrong with them.

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by Norton

She was also providing her prime minister with a masterclass in how to respond on such occasions.

Do people actually care that the Queen shuffled around there & shook a couple hands?

I don't think I would.

It would of been much more fun if Phil had gone along and abused the Tenants for being Darkies.

He was always much more fun than silly old Lizzie eh.

This is why sprinklers and fire alarms are needed- inanimate objects tend not to panic. The block of flats I live in here in Mandalay is pretty run down- but it has working sprinklers, fire hoses and several exits. I fail to see how these would be an issue to be installed in a building in the developed world.

run down apartment blocks in mandalay are probably not plagued by feral british teenagers with nothing better to do than set off fire alarms and sprinklers and fire hoses just for the fun of it, vandalizing lifts and fire doors, stairwells and lighting units is all part of a days fun. something to do until the cider and pills arrive.

it only needs a couple of rogue families (e.g. mouthy single mum, five kids by five different absent fathers ) in a block to make the life of the decent families living there intolerable.

years ago, local "justice" would have sorted out such offenders, these days thats impossible. petty criminals are virtually untouchable.

its no wonder councils baulk at serious meaningful improvements to these blocks.

it is all too easy to blame "the government" for every problem that plagues society, but there are times a wider view should be taken.

Councils also seem to turn a blind eye to illegal sub letting and over crowding, that needs to be looked at as well. Having lived in social housing a couple of times the worst problem families were always white single mothers with a half breed brats, they always seemed to be in conflict with the housing office about something or other, wogs were rarely a problem.

Originally Posted by taxexile

This is why sprinklers and fire alarms are needed- inanimate objects tend not to panic. The block of flats I live in here in Mandalay is pretty run down- but it has working sprinklers, fire hoses and several exits. I fail to see how these would be an issue to be installed in a building in the developed world.

run down apartment blocks in mandalay are probably not plagued by feral british teenagers with nothing better to do than set off fire alarms and sprinklers and fire hoses just for the fun of it, vandalizing lifts and fire doors, stairwells and lighting units is all part of a days fun. something to do until the cider and pills arrive.

it only needs a couple of rogue families (e.g. mouthy single mum, five kids by five different absent fathers ) in a block to make the life of the decent families living there intolerable.

years ago, local "justice" would have sorted out such offenders, these days thats impossible. petty criminals are virtually untouchable.

its no wonder councils baulk at serious meaningful improvements to these blocks.

it is all too easy to blame "the government" for every problem that plagues society, but there are times a wider view should be taken.

The thing is Tax, your observations are based solely on your addled personal recollections of over 15 - 20 years ago, the Daily Mail and Telegraph leader pages, and an innate prejudice that runs through the DNA of all flat-capped, whippet hugging, clog hopping northern twats pontificating from their pulpit of self-righteous sanctimony.

From my more recent experiences these dwellings are quite well run, generally well managed and benefit from CCTV enforcement which in most cases enjoys the full support of the majority. Anti-social behaviour, criminality, drug dealing etc get short shrift and councils are pretty damn quick to boot out offenders. The stereotypical view you have just regurgitated is simply you airing prejudices and your catechism of bigotry, now mostly derived from fantasy.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

The feral scum that inhabit much of that estate would set off a sprinkler system every time they feel "triggered", oppressed, bored or just malevolent. Basically ten times a day.

The only thing to stop them would be the drug dealing gangs who'd worry about their stashes getting wet. They are the only meaningful form of enforcement that functions there in any event

You are talking out your arse there. Absolute drivel and quite, quite untrue.

Evidently, you don't know your fucking Madras from your Elba.

From my more recent experiences these dwellings are quite well run,

and what and where exactly were these experiences, budleigh salterton ?

Typical estate yob, Lily Allen would probably say he just needs a hug

Originally Posted by taxexile

From my more recent experiences these dwellings are quite well run,

and what and where exactly were these experiences, budleigh salterton ?

I have had occasion to visit many such tower blocks in London in the course of my duties and through colleagues my knowledge of the zeitgeist is fairly current.

I know of what I speak - the worst places were laterally developed housing estates where territoriality is much more narrowly defined and as a consequence occupiers feel more empowered to enter into conflict to assert what they perceive as their occupation rights.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Did you know that the UK provided more migrants to the rest of the world than any other country in Europe and in terms of percentage of population of citizens living outside of the UK, Britain is the 10th largest migrant country in the fucking world.
You useless spastic, racist, bigoted little turd.

No I didn't ! Over a 100,000 Brits live in Germany and I never noticed those Poms. Maybe because they integrate so lovely.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Indeed, better than them Yids, eh Fritz?

Never fails when a person runs out of arguments.

"Happy to discuss Nazi Germany when its relevant, but it has nothing to do with ....."

While a bunch of repulsive animals on this thread shamefully try to blame immigrants for the conflagration the Chancellor of the Exchequer has confirmed that the cladding used on Grenfell Tower contained polyethylene and that its use was banned in the UK and the rest of Europe.

Originally Posted by Thai3

Having lived in social housing a couple of times the worst problem families were always white single mothers with a half breed brats

Yes i agree totally, here in Thailand we have the same problem.

White pleb breeds with Thai issan bint and the result aint good eh.